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KaZooo
09/18/21 11:47:19 PM
#151:


Mezcla posted...
anyway if you want real kpop listen to stayc. they're the best
Was in a play loop and forgot they did "Like This".


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_BlueMonk
09/22/21 6:22:58 PM
#153:


guys

i fucking love STAYC

holy shit.

Sumin is aahhhhhhhh


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KaZooo
09/24/21 12:36:58 AM
#154:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCZfZfucEc

From the spoiler I wasn't sure what the song would sound like. End full product is pretty nice imo

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paerarru
09/24/21 1:39:50 AM
#155:


KaZooo posted...


From the spoiler I wasn't sure what the song would sound like. End full product is pretty nice imo

Yeah, it's pretty good. I think one of Itzy's main draws is that they're so easy to listen to (and watch) yet still manage to have their own sound and style in an industry which has become a little too derivative in recent times, imho. However, I feel like this will be my least favorite of their titles because it's just a little too mainstream for me, just to be nice and not call it basic, which is surprising because it's by the same guys who did Dalla Dalla and Wannabe, so I'm a little underwhelmed, but still satisfied.

edit: On the other hand to be fair Itzy hasn't explored this particular style much before so they deserve a free pass, just this once. Not to mention imo they do it quite better than many other previous repeat offenders.

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Mezcla
09/24/21 6:06:13 PM
#156:


Yeji

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Ruddager
09/24/21 6:25:10 PM
#157:


So Mnets got to be shitting their pants that the Top 9 in GP999 is getting more Chinese and less Korean, also one of the girls who made pro-China/pro-North Korea posts is still in the Top 9 so far, if she ends up in the group thanks to international voters and those posts finally hit the mainstream Korean news the group will never get a foothold there.
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paerarru
09/25/21 1:41:00 PM
#158:


Ruddager posted...

They do, and it is fun to think of Mnet shitting their pants, although I think they still got a couple cards up their sleeve to make the group less C/J biased. But yeah Su Ruiqi is almost guaranteed to be in either way, she's one of the very top most popular internationally (and I mean people who would pick her over anybody else, one picks) while at the same time on the bottom half for Korean voters. It's pretty impressive how she's so high considering the disparity of Korean/International vote weight, which is something like 10x I think.

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Rob Cesternino
09/26/21 2:19:14 AM
#159:


I haven't see the latest episode yet, but I did read a couple of spoilers. My underdog fave Tammy Wu got eliminated :/

Also, isn't the reason Mnet invited Chinese trainees in the first place to appeal to an international audience? Hypothetically speaking, I think if we did end up with a Chinese supergirl group, they would automatically have a massive fanbase in China, and if they could produce songs at the same quality as I*ZONE, then they might be able to successfully fill the void left by I*ZONE.

Just my thoughts. I think as long as Yujin and maybe Yeseo from the K-group make it into the final 9, I'll be a happy camper.

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paerarru
09/26/21 3:23:59 PM
#160:


Rob Cesternino posted...


Also, isn't the reason Mnet invited Chinese trainees in the first place to appeal to an international audience? Hypothetically speaking, I think if we did end up with a Chinese supergirl group, they would automatically have a massive fanbase in China, and if they could produce songs at the same quality as I*ZONE, then they might be able to successfully fill the void left by I*ZONE.


Yeah, it wouldn't be so bad, the group would at least have something to do and they'd be very popular for sure if they just focused more outside of Korea... except that lately the CCP has been very much against idols (in fact all celebrities in general AND their fans, celebrity culture in general), specially foreign idols which they see as a bad influence. They've actually banned idol survival shows. So it wouldn't be that surprising if the group were to be straight up banned in China, no matter the ratio.

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Ruddager
09/26/21 6:25:09 PM
#161:


Yep, its the middle of a big crackdown from China on both foreign acts themselves and fanbases of those groups within China, anti-China sentiment in Korea is pretty high right now (not to mention the ever present anti-Japanese sentiment), Su Ruiqi could get them basically blackballed from any network thats not MNet in Korea and kill any potential brand deals in Korea if international fans dont make the right call now and pivot to someone else, they dont have a Sakura or the backing of a company like AKS to get them attention and good promotion opportunities in Japan (and Japans favorite in the voting isn't yet guaranteed to get into the group), so their 3 "main" markets are all looking shaky as things stand. Not to mention the industry is just even more competitive now than when IZ*ONE debuted. All the groups that were big when IZ*ONE debuted are just as big (if not bigger) plus there have been even more groups that have hit big since then.

MNet's biggest hope is that 1-pick really shakes things up in the finale and loads the lineup with Koreans and there is some evidence to suggest that 1-pick will indeed favor the Korean trainees but its still a big gamble.
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paerarru
09/26/21 9:38:11 PM
#162:


Hmm. You know I'm starting to think that perhaps Mnet will (and maybe should...) rig the whole thing after all. Their biggest problem was that they lied to people and defrauded them. But if they keep the vote free and/or they're (somewhat) transparent in their dealings they can just Sixteen the whole thing and say hey we're going to take the public's vote into consideration but we're also going to have the companies' input in the making of the group, because we don't want to hand CJ a group that's not viable outside of fantasy virtual land. It is their show and they can do whatever they want with it after all, I mean Mixnine also happened for example so they could even say psych, this was just for the giggles as long as they make it clear to everybody. Granted a lot of people will be upset, but I think they will see that as a small price to pay rather than potentially losing a lot more money trying to peddle a group that can only really succeed in Egypt and Iceland.

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Ruddager
09/26/21 9:56:14 PM
#163:


Too late to pull a Sixteen, they wouldve had to say it way earlier than this. There will likely be paid votes in the finale like always plus they went on real hard about there being no rigging and that the voters would actual be the sole determiners of the final group for real this time. Most they could maybe get away with is pulling out a planet pass in the finale to stuff the group with Koreans if things dont change but making the group more than 9 members would be sus considering all the marketing for the show is centered around the number 9. If things go south this season I expect future seasons to build in ways for CJ/MNet to influence things more.

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PumpkinCoach
09/27/21 12:07:13 AM
#164:


idk why anyone is surprised by the ratio in the current top 9. hell, the first top 9 barely managed to be 3:3:3 what with k02 and k03 at 8th and 9th. k votes are spread out while c and j are both top heavy because of who and how they're shown.

now that qualifying is no longer limited by group, i suspect the current round will favour k group (even if it won't be reflected in the top 9 because, again, top heavy) most of which should have built more of a fanbase compared to a lot of c and j group (though results can still be unpredictable, because we won't really know who got by on filler votes until they're taken away).

at he end of the day it doesn't matter though, since korean votes alone have 50% weight of the total, so the final group was always going to be dominantly korean at 1 pick.

also, IOI wasn't rigged and that's the best line-up they've ever had!

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paerarru
09/27/21 1:27:09 AM
#165:


PumpkinCoach posted...

Mmm, those are all good points, too. Yeah maybe Mnet is gambling but again they would know better than anybody else how to hedge their bets even if the situation might have caught them off guard. The way they've been boosting Kim Dayeon at the expense of Cai Bing for example. Take a C girl out, put a K girl in.

Also Pumpkin, Doah ; ;

If Yujin doesn't make it I'll probably be quitting Kpop sooner rather than later

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PumpkinCoach
09/27/21 2:32:39 AM
#166:


honestly, not sure if they were even caught off guard that much. i suspect we're only still voting by group this round, because they don't want to give the game away too soon. obviously k voters are not a monolith who will only vote for k group, but yeah, if the line-up not having enough koreans is a popular sentiment among koreans, then the mechanism to address that was in place from the start, and it's by having korean votes worth ~10 times what international votes are worth, and then you combine that with all the time they spend villifying c group and hiding j group.

and man ikr, doah didn't even get as far as she did last time... i don't know if having 3 members on the show helped fanatics any, but i wish them luck.

though by that point in the ep i was already numb from fu yaning's rank being low, and she's all i care about at this point (i mean i care about yujin, but she's going to make it anyway).

i'm hoping 1 pick shakes up the ranks because the horserace aspect isn't much fun rn. there was 1 change from the first top 9 to the second, and the rest barely moved in rank. idk if this is what happens without rigging or if it's because the show has no buzz or traction with the gp so it's all entrenched voters, and none of the gimmicks like cells or the kcj split can make up for just a lack of interest.

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Mezcla
09/28/21 2:50:33 PM
#167:


well fucking RIP to LOONA

Chuu :(

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Mezcla
09/28/21 11:56:34 PM
#168:


https://youtu.be/rZAkkGtntbQ

holy shit yeji

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KhlavicLanguage
09/28/21 11:57:09 PM
#169:


is kpop really a music genre or is it more like a parasocial relationship platform, like kids and youtubers or neckbeards and twitch streamers
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Mezcla
09/29/21 12:02:35 AM
#170:


KhlavicLanguage posted...
is kpop really a music genre or is it more like a parasocial relationship platform, like kids and youtubers or neckbeards and twitch streamers


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KaZooo
09/29/21 12:17:54 AM
#171:


Mezcla posted...
well fucking RIP to LOONA

Chuu :(
It always seemed like they had an insane budget for production.

I just loosely thought Blockberry and Polaris had their shit together though.

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KaZooo
09/30/21 12:33:02 AM
#172:


The dance practice is always better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr9lqsHUS-o

And in 5K

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KaZooo
10/01/21 12:05:48 AM
#173:


Worked out a melody but lyrically a still a bit mushed together, and really only Mina has a handle on it which kinda doesn't surprise me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5_wn8mexmM

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PumpkinCoach
10/01/21 1:37:38 AM
#174:


sep

10. Nell - Beautiful Jeopardy
9. Stayc - Slow Down
8. NCT 127 - Breakfast
7. NCT 127 - Dreamer
6. Do Hanse - Take Over
5. Purple Kiss - Zombie
4. ACE - Changer
3. NCT 127 - Promise You
2. Key - Bad Love
1. NCT 127 - Sticker

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KaZooo
10/03/21 3:20:57 AM
#175:


up bc aespa album

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KaZooo
10/05/21 7:10:54 AM
#177:


https://youtu.be/5DhAts7WcPk

That's it

Right now "Savage" the single, I don't know what to think. But that, I like that.

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Mezcla
10/05/21 1:58:01 PM
#178:


"naevis we love you"

lmao okay SM.

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paerarru
10/05/21 7:06:41 PM
#179:


I give up, I don't know how SM does it. They're crazy!

I TAKE EVERYTHING BACK.

Mezcla posted...
"naevis we love you"

lmao okay SM.

lol

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KaZooo
10/05/21 7:55:06 PM
#180:


Mezcla posted...
"naevis we love you"

lmao okay SM.
That line and sequence was a turning point for me. I can't say good or bad, but it was a turn for sure.

I look at SM as they are staying on the gas pedal with this business. No turning back. Either the public will accept it, or they will accept it.


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KaZooo
10/05/21 8:59:26 PM
#181:


Yay choregraphy vid.
lol @ it being titled a camerawork guide. Seems like a jab to KBS, Mnet and stuff to get their crap together for future stages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlLTnE1y1Q

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paerarru
10/06/21 1:00:48 AM
#182:


KaZooo posted...
Yay choregraphy vid.
lol @ it being titled a camerawork guide. Seems like a jab to KBS, Mnet and stuff to get their crap together for future stages.

lol that is funny. it's for "creators", like yeah cover artists usually have a multi shot studio, or worse, the intention to do that many takes

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KaZooo
10/07/21 8:30:32 PM
#183:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrhBkSM4ojA

Nvis better show up to one of these. To this day I'm not 100% certain that we've heard live vocals apart from "Forever".

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paerarru
10/08/21 2:24:05 PM
#184:


KaZooo posted...


Nvis better show up to one of these. To this day I'm not 100% certain that we've heard live vocals apart from "Forever".

lol. Milli Vanspa

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KaZooo
10/08/21 11:53:51 PM
#185:


another choreography video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23Ffrt4FAw

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KaZooo
10/10/21 5:00:11 PM
#186:


bump for the kwangya

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KaZooo
10/13/21 9:48:37 PM
#188:


The hairdressers they hired for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WZ2htfiZU

I'm still lukewarm about the group, but I like this more than Vanilla.

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Rob Cesternino
10/16/21 3:37:54 AM
#189:


Cai Bing NO!

That's heartbreaking.

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_BlueMonk
10/16/21 10:24:06 AM
#190:


Nayeon

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KaZooo
10/16/21 10:35:20 AM
#191:


> Want encore
> The encore

-_-

https://youtu.be/ZAPjvI3r8Qk?t=114

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KaZooo
10/17/21 2:26:44 PM
#192:


I've seen everything now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_4_JZ29c8

Also dig stzpa

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Shugo702
10/17/21 3:51:08 PM
#194:


Ningning and Winter have beautiful voices, as expected from SM (they have the best artists after all). Not a fan of "Next Level" and "Savage", though (haven't listened to the mini yet). I do like the bridge in "Savage", very old school kpop.

Speaking of gp999, you better be voting Yurina! My top 9 with the remaining 20 is probably:
Yurina, Youngeun, Chaehyun, Yaning, Xiaoting, Mashiro.

Final 3 would probably be Yujin, Yeseo and Hikaru, though I expect Dayeon to make it (not a fan). Ruiqi looks like another contender. Really nervous for Yurina, the result will be unpredictable due to 1-pick voting. I'm expecting a mess.
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Ruddager
10/18/21 12:23:14 PM
#195:


Lmao Mnet just released the full interim ranking for GP999 as of the 18th and the top 9 has 8 Koreans, none of the popular Japanese girls, and the only foreigner is the Chinese girl with pro NK posts that Koreans absolutely despise. This group is gonna end up being a disaster lol
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_BlueMonk
10/18/21 1:18:19 PM
#196:


i dont watch GP999 but i heard 8/9 top girls are Korean?

lmao what happened?

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KaZooo
10/21/21 11:12:43 PM
#198:


SQU4D, huh

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paerarru
10/22/21 7:51:27 PM
#199:


Well, Yujin and Xiaoting made it so I'm happy, but sad that Yurina didn't, and that we only got 1 C girl. Still I think it's a good lineup, am curious to see what they do.

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Rob Cesternino
10/23/21 3:32:08 AM
#200:


I haven't watched the finale yet and currently trying my best to avoid spoilers (much appreciated paerarru). As soon as I finish, I'll comment. But looking forward to the new group, no matter who is in it.

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_BIueMonk
10/23/21 10:56:21 AM
#201:


What's going on with loona

I thought they company ran out of money

Why are they making music and vids and posting on insta like nothing happened

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