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Mackorov 05/08/21 1:59:51 PM #1: |
I see this almost all the time (in fact, what the hell... all the time) in movies and TV shows, esp. big action or superhero movies. I was just watching Falcon and Winter Soldier and this just really, really...bothered me. And i'm not a fan of the show anyway. Way too stupidly cheesy compared to the Russo masterpieces. The big bad villian is the one destroying everything and killing people here and there, and when it comes to the ultimate showdown, the protagonist hero tries his best to save the villian or talk the person down. Meanwhile all the henchmen of the villian are simply killed off like nothing. Hey, I know they're nameless expendable fodder but be realistic here, each of them is a f***ing human being too, no? Imagine each henchman probably having a family back home or perhaps he/she got forced to work for the villian or has second thoughts about converting to the good side. But NOPE, no chance for any of that. They're just killed off in 0.1 second screentime. Meanwhile the big villian gets 10 minutes of slow motion death and the protoganist even mourns the villian! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:02:05 PM #2: |
Also on a related note ignoring all the other stupid plot holes in FATWS... (spoilers on ending), one big thing that also bugged me...
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:04:36 PM #3: |
Mackorov posted...
Also on a related note ignoring all the other stupid plot holes in FATWS... (spoilers on ending), one big thing that also bugged me... Gotta wonder if you know what plot holes are. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrettyBoyFloyd 05/08/21 2:06:35 PM #4: |
James Bond does it all the time.
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:08:26 PM #5: |
Murphiroth posted...
Also answer my original topic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 05/08/21 2:09:01 PM #6: |
If the henchmen didnt join the the main villain they would have just joined another anyway
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archedsoul 05/08/21 2:09:02 PM #7: |
I always thought it was weird when I was young, especially if they made a huge deal about killing the villain but they stopped because they don't want to be just as bad.
And I'd be like "what about the 50 goons you just murdered?" With Batman, at least the explanation is that he's only breaking bones, but even those injuries could eventually lead to death. --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dragonsmasher 05/08/21 2:09:55 PM #8: |
https://youtu.be/Ag_AFraxj-4
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Lost_All_Senses 05/08/21 2:11:54 PM #9: |
I like that episode of Regular Show where Mordecai ends up having to watch Satan or whoevers baby. And during it, the baby ends up putting another kid in harms way. So the dad sees that and he gets defensive and starts chasing them down. Then when they evade him and he falls in a pit. While he's falling he's yelling "I was the victim, I was just at the park trying to play with my kiiiids".
The perspective it put on it that so many people overlook just cause you're suppose to be rooting for Mordecai is hilarious. God damn that show has great moments. Moments that Im probably remembering slightly wrong. I just felt like that was similar. Along the lines of were kind of influenced to not give a shit about these side chatacters with no backstory. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:12:03 PM #10: |
Mackorov posted...
Sharon I feel like you're looking for shit to nitpick. And the henchman thing is a big whatever. Pretty sure the only henchies who die in the show are ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:12:55 PM #11: |
refmon posted...
If the henchmen didnt join the the main villain they would have just joined another anyway So somehow the henchmen with a lesser evil doings and intentions somehow gets no proper justice proceedings like the big bad villian does? Oh wow I swear this board has one of the biggest biased Marvel love boner if I've ever seen one. FATWS must be like a 11/10 in your book ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nemu 05/08/21 2:13:16 PM #12: |
The biggest issue is the motivation of henchman to just toss themselves into death without a second thought. It's one thing when they're literal cult members like Hydra or people fighting for a cause they deem worth dying for, but some dudes probably making 150k to fart around some evil villain aren't going to be too inclined to just let themselves be fodderized.
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:15:02 PM #13: |
Murphiroth posted...
SharonYeah, let's totally forget about every single time Bucky or Falcon picked up a gun and pulled the trigger. Also somehow it's okay for Sharon to kill people left and right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:15:55 PM #14: |
Mackorov posted...
Yeah, let's totally forget about every single time Bucky or Falcon picked up a gun and pulled the trigger. Provide examples. I'm pretty sure Sam never wields a gun the entire show. And they don't kill any of the Flagsmashers, that's just a fact. They go H2H every encounter with them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:16:44 PM #15: |
Mackorov posted...
See stuff like this makes me think you didn't watch the show and are just bitching to bitch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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archedsoul 05/08/21 2:17:04 PM #16: |
Murphiroth posted...
Sharon --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 05/08/21 2:17:19 PM #17: |
It bothers me too, especially if the superhero pulls his punches when it comes to the big bad.
Like dude you mowed your way through so many "down on his luck gang banger #2574559", but now that you're faced with the genocidal commander and chief you grow an ideology? Get the fuck out of here --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:17:46 PM #18: |
nemu posted...
The biggest issue is the motivation of henchman to just toss themselves into death without a second thought. It's one thing when they're literal cult members like Hydra or people fighting for a cause they deem worth dying for, but some dudes probably making 150k to fart around some evil villain aren't going to be too inclined to just let themselves be fodderized. First of all, a lot of henchmen don't even get enough effin' screentime for us to know them. Like I mentioned in the topic title, who knows why they're even working as henchmen for? They could be doing it under durress, under influence, maybe mind-controlled, maybe just some random dude trying to make a dime. Also you intentionally ignore the comparison to the main villian, which is the main point of this topic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 05/08/21 2:18:15 PM #19: |
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:18:51 PM #20: |
Murphiroth posted...
Provide examples.Dude, Sam has been dual wielding pistols since Winter Soldier. He literally blew up an entire helicopter full of people, threw enemies off in mid-air into obvious death and shot plenty of others. Even in Winter Soldier movie, he was shooting the enemies. You're like the very definition of wearing rose-tinted glasses ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:19:50 PM #21: |
Mackorov posted...
Dude, Sam has been dual wielding pistols since Winter Soldier. He literally blew up an entire helicopter full of people, threw enemies off in mid-air into obvious death and shot plenty of others. Dude I'm specifically talking about the show, where he no longer has the pistols. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:20:59 PM #22: |
Murphiroth posted...
You must have missed the episode where they had a firefight at Madripoor ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:21:58 PM #23: |
pinky0926 posted...
It bothers me too, especially if the superhero pulls his punches when it comes to the big bad. Yeah, I faced the same problem playing Tomb Raider. Lara Croft was literally murdering people all the way like one motha' killing machine Punisher 2.0 then suddenly a cutscene comes up and she has to kill this baddie and she gets all emotional like it's her first time committing murder. Like jeez....wtf? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 05/08/21 2:22:29 PM #24: |
No, you're not alone, TC. The trope is off-putting and just makes the hero feel like a big ol' hypocrite.
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InfinityMonster 05/08/21 2:23:06 PM #25: |
Why did John Wick let Kevin Nash go, but nobody else?
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Mackorov 05/08/21 2:25:52 PM #26: |
InfinityMonster posted...
Why did John Wick let Kevin Nash go, but nobody else? Because he's Kevin Nash duh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:33:30 PM #27: |
Mackorov posted...
You must have missed the episode where they had a firefight at Madripoor My bad, I forgot that Sam has a gun in that scene. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/08/21 2:36:53 PM #28: |
My point mostly being
Definitely happens elsewhere but I shrug and move on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 05/08/21 3:11:32 PM #29: |
Yeah, this complaint doesn't hold up for this show.
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GiftedACIII 05/09/21 3:16:24 AM #30: |
nemu posted...
The biggest issue is the motivation of henchman to just toss themselves into death without a second thought. It's one thing when they're literal cult members like Hydra or people fighting for a cause they deem worth dying for, but some dudes probably making 150k to fart around some evil villain aren't going to be too inclined to just let themselves be fodderized. A lot of is explained as the henchmen fearing the villain and can't leave which makes sparing the villain who's the cause of everything even more stupid. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/09/21 6:17:29 AM #31: |
pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, this complaint doesn't hold up for this show. RIGHT. So it's totally ok to kill these mercenaries trying to kill you but hasn't actually killed you and who knows, probably has never murdered anyone before but it's totally not OK to kill the Flag Smashers that have indeed murdered and pillaged so many places all over. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 05/09/21 6:19:44 AM #32: |
Mackorov posted...
Okay, just be mad. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/09/21 6:20:01 AM #33: |
GiftedACIII posted...
A lot of is explained as the henchmen fearing the villain and can't leave which makes sparing the villain who's the cause of everything even more stupid. Yeah. And have you guys ever seen those movie scenes where the big boss villian brings in his henchman who betrayed him or decided to spare someone and start torturing the poor henchman? Yet somehow we're made to sympathies more with this bad bad villian instead. Incredulous isn't it. It's like movies are just as easily able to twist and warp the audience's sense of morality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 05/09/21 8:20:27 AM #34: |
archedsoul posted...
With Batman, at least the explanation is that he's only breaking bones, but even those injuries could eventually lead to death.Their medical bills are keeping them locked in an endless cycle of perpetrating crime, and broken bones. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 05/09/21 11:14:51 AM #35: |
Realistically, theres no way Batman hasnt given a bunch of people brain damage and probably paralyzed a bunch of people. Any random person walking down the street can potentially do that to you with a sucker punch, Batman is literally peak human physical condition (and also often has hard plastic or even metal gauntlets), and weve seen him grab a dude and hit him full strength in the face like 15x in a row.
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Murphiroth 05/09/21 1:52:40 PM #36: |
Mackorov posted...
RIGHT. So it's totally ok to kill these mercenaries trying to kill you but hasn't actually killed you So they're only allowed to fight back...after they've been killed? Stay mad, homie, you make no sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Criminalt 05/09/21 1:59:38 PM #37: |
pinky0926 posted...
Austin Powers parodied this well."People never think how things affect the family of a henchman." --- ~.|o ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 05/09/21 11:10:41 PM #38: |
Murphiroth posted...
So they're only allowed to fight back...after they've been killed? you know how you can knock out enemies without killing them? ever heard of it?? Please go watch the past Captain America movies and see how Rogers does it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SMAP- 05/09/21 11:18:37 PM #39: |
dragonsmasher posted...
https://youtu.be/Ag_AFraxj-4 thought of this upon seeing the topic --- sigless user ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 05/09/21 11:18:46 PM #40: |
Mackorov posted...
you know how you can knock out enemies without killing them? ever heard of it?? You mean the same Rogers who hurled a bunch of Hydra mercs out of a plane and even threw one into a propeller in TFA? The same Rogers who punted a dude back first into a gas tank on the Lemurian Star and killed several other mercs in the opening of Winter Soldier? The same one who also kills several Hydra mercs in Civil War? I'm fucking dying at your double standards though. Make sure to knock out the murderous goons trying to kill you, they might not be so bad! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Collat 05/09/21 11:48:52 PM #41: |
Mackorov posted...
Also somehow it's okay for Sharon to kill people left and rightUh. Pretty sure she's not a good guy anymore. Thought that was pretty clear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EnterTheTekken 05/09/21 11:51:09 PM #42: |
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DJquackquack 05/09/21 11:53:26 PM #43: |
Youd hate anything with the Joker.
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