Current Events > I don't understand how people can get fat pass a certain point..

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It requires constant eating of fatty, dense trash to be anything more than slightly chubby for me.
Being fat seems like so much effort

A lot of people have no concept of portions or what's in their food

Unable to run without fucking up your knees
Unable to clean your asscrack properly
Unable to put on your lower clothes without taking a seat
Unable to fuck and make it hot

Being a fatass sure is a commitment

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at my worst, I was able to eat a whole case of chips ahoy and I was still only 250lb. I don't know how people get to like 400 or whatever

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Nutrition makes no fucking sense and I'd wager a lot of things have zero consensus on them

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I'm probably the same as you TC, I couldn't get fat even if I was trying to. But not everyone's body works that way, some people gain an extra roll just from thinking about eating

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Liquid calories, fried/greasy and shit metabolism are probably the culprits. If you eat even slightly clean you can eat until you're about to vomit and still stay only become slightly shubby at worst

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Nutrition makes no fucking sense and I'd wager a lot of things have zero consensus on them

Hit your protein goals with mostly unprocessed non-mammal meat, be mindful of mercury load when eating sea food
Fulfill the remaining macros and micros with fruits, veggies, nuts, etc

Simple

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Carbs will do that to some people.

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AdmiralStiff posted...

Hit your protein goals with mostly unprocessed non-mammal meat, be mindful of mercury load when eating sea food
Fulfill the remaining macros and micros with fruits, veggies, nuts, etc

Simple

what will that do for me? does everyone get the same results on this diet?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

what will that do for me? does everyone get the same results on this diet?

mostly yes, you're basically eating nutrient dense food for not too many calories meaning it's very hard to overeat, whole food and fiber is key

basically the best advice I've ever read that would be for someone who's not interested to dive too deeply into the science of nutrition is "stick to whole foods, mostly plant based"

It's a mental problem as much as it is a physical problem.

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ROOTFayth posted...

mostly yes, you're basically eating nutrient dense food for not too many calories meaning it's very hard to overeat, whole food and fiber is key

Maybe... I feel like it's a bit more complicated than just that and we're not taking into account the fact that people get cravings for different kinds of foods. If it was so simple more people would do it

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Blue_Inigo posted...

It's a mental problem as much as it is a physical problem.

Yep, and a lot of people dont recognize this. Some people eat when they are depressed, and if its a constant thing then they're going to eat a lot.

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Depression can make a person gain a lot of weight.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Maybe... I feel like it's a bit more complicated than just that and we're not taking into account the fact that people get cravings for different kinds of foods. If it was so simple more people would do it

huh yes people get addicted to unhealthy processed food, optimally you want to avoid it, all of it, however boring it may feel to you during the short term

It's gradual, especially if it happens as you're growing up.

At my heaviest I weighed 335. That didn't happen overnight

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Maybe... I feel like it's a bit more complicated than just that and we're not taking into account the fact that people get cravings for different kinds of foods. If it was so simple more people would do it

I assumed you mean nutrition in and on itself, my bad

Delayed gratification, an acquired trait to some extent, may or may not be complicated to develop, your mileage may vary

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Show me a box of cookies and I will destroy it

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Captain_Qwark posted...

I ate McDonalds like at least 4 times a week for 6 months last year. I gained a bit over 10lbs going from 155 - 168. can't imagine how much shit you have to eat to be 275+

How do people even afford to be fat? I spent way more money on food than normal.

Yea indeed.

About the same for me.

For me it was like 4 McChickens and two pints of beer about 4 days a week for like three months.

Went from 135 to 139.

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KingWhiteKnight posted...

It requires constant eating of fatty, dense trash to be anything more than slightly chubby for me.
Being fat seems like so much effort

metabolisms change with with. Past certain age even adding extra dressing to your salad will make you fat

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my brother weighs about 450, and i can say that its a mixture of depression, addiction and low self esteem

he knows damn well what the issues are and exactly what he has to do to fix them, but when you hate your life and are addicted, its extremely easy to fall off the wagon 3 months into a years-long process of getting back to health

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eston posted...

I'm probably the same as you TC, I couldn't get fat even if I was trying to. But not everyone's body works that way, some people gain an extra roll just from thinking about eating

This. I'm very skinny but I hardly have a healthy diet. But different people gain weight easier than others.

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Bananana posted...

my brother weighs about 450, and i can say that its a mixture of depression, addiction and low self esteem

he knows damn well what the issues are and exactly what he has to do to fix them, but when you hate your life and are addicted, its extremely easy to fall off the wagon 3 months into a years-long process of getting back to health

How tall is he? How old? Did the weight suddenly hit or build up gradually?

Ryven posted...

Yep, and a lot of people dont recognize this. Some people eat when they are depressed, and if its a constant thing then they're going to eat a lot.

This is why it drives me crazy that people just go "Hurr CICO put the fork down!"

People aren't robots. People emotionally eat. Telling someone to count calories isn't going to fix that. It can be part of the solution, but it can't be the whole thing.

I also intensely dislike the "Huuuuurrrr diet coke" thing. Liquid calories are actually a huge factor in why there's an obesity epidemic. You can suck down 500+ calories with ease, especially at a restaurant where they constantly refill your drink, and that can be "fixed" with diet soda. If you substitute three full-calorie sodas for three diet sodas a day (not an unrealistic amount for some people), that's around 500 calories saved a day. After a week, that's 3500 (and that's a pound). Keep it up for a while and you can easily lose weight with just a simple change. Now, you're not gonna lose a ton of weight and you'll plateau eventually, but then you can make another small change. Most people cannot sustain making sudden, massive changes to their diet and lifestyle.

If you cut out soda, fried food, and sugar from your diet overnight and lost forty pounds in six months? Cool, good for you! Not sustainable or even initially achievable for most people.

Bananana posted...

my brother weighs about 450, and i can say that its a mixture of depression, addiction and low self esteem

he knows damn well what the issues are and exactly what he has to do to fix them, but when you hate your life and are addicted, its extremely easy to fall off the wagon 3 months into a years-long process of getting back to health

Once you're that big the process to lose it would be one of the most difficult things I can imagine.

Just getting started would be awful and then staying committed for years would be so so hard.

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_Rinku_ posted...

This is why it drives me crazy that people just go "Hurr CICO put the fork down!"

People aren't robots. People emotionally eat. Telling someone to count calories isn't going to fix that. It can be part of the solution, but it can't be the whole thing.

I also intensely dislike the "Huuuuurrrr diet coke" thing. Liquid calories are actually a huge factor in why there's an obesity epidemic. You can suck down 500+ calories with ease, especially at a restaurant where they constantly refill your drink, and that can be "fixed" with diet soda. If you substitute three full-calorie sodas for three diet sodas a day (not an unrealistic amount for some people), that's around 500 calories saved a day. After a week, that's 3500 (and that's a pound). Keep it up for a while and you can easily lose weight with just a simple change. Now, you're not gonna lose a ton of weight and you'll plateau eventually, but then you can make another small change. Most people cannot sustain making sudden, massive changes to their diet and lifestyle.

If you cut out soda, fried food, and sugar from your diet overnight and lost forty pounds in six months? Cool, good for you! Not sustainable or even initially achievable for most people.

oh come on, diet soda is the sickest scam ever, even if it has no calories it promotes hunger which in turn is already something fat people struggle with

Ruvan22 posted...

How tall is he? How old? Did the weight suddenly hit or build up gradually?

It gradually built up through his youth. Hes currently 20, about 63. All through high school he was depressed and turned to eating to cope, and it got as out of hand as it is.

CanuckCowboy posted...

Once you're that big the process to lose it would be one of the most difficult things I can imagine.

Just getting started would be awful and then staying committed for years would be so so hard.

It is very difficult. Hes tried lots of times, with different therapists, different nutritionists, etc...some things cant just be fixed in some people by throwing doctors and facts at it. Theres nothing anyone could tell him at this point that he doesnt know about how to lose the weight. And he sure does try, but every failure hits harder and compounds the issue.

He really likes the latest trainer/nutritionist hes been working with as of most recently, and this is definitely one of his attempts that is the most supported by his own lifestyle changes. He hopes to get bariatric surgery in the late summer to help with a large chunk of it, but before he can do that, he has to prove that he can change his lifestyle and not just try the surgery as a quick fix by losing a certain amount of weight in monthly increments.

People will tell him time and time again just put the fork down! Its as simple as counting calories!

Its not that simple. Hes lived his whole life with a completely warped self-image and addiction to food and coping with emotions through eating. It is substantially harder to deal with than what a lot of people probably have to in their lives, whether or not the situation is his own fault.

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ROOTFayth posted...

oh come on, diet soda is the sickest scam ever, even if it has no calories it promotes hunger which in turn is already something fat people struggle with

Cite your sources and suggest a sustainable alternative.

_Rinku_ posted...

Cite your sources and suggest a sustainable alternative.

Hes not saying anything that isn't well established. A quick Google will back it up.

Also are you really implying water isn't a viable alternative? Or that some form of soda is somehow necessary?

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AdmiralStiff posted...

I assumed you mean nutrition in and on itself, my bad

Delayed gratification, an acquired trait to some extent, may or may not be complicated to develop, your mileage may vary

I actually did mean nutrition specifically but I guess I changed my point because I dont want you to think my point was there is no consensus on what a healthy diet is, i meant stuff like how eggs kinda can be bad for you but also can be good for you

I guess that specifically is more of a "there's details to why something can be healthy and unhealthy" kind of thing though

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Get your mind right, get your grind right. Knowing the mechanics of weight loss (assuming you've even arrived at that point after wading through all the misinformation) is one thing. Implementing them consistently enough is something else entirely.

I went from north of 365 to around 220 in three years and the only thing that got me to change was a health scare and the genuine fear that I'd be dead very soon if I didn't change anything. Years of depression, anxiety, and trauma from multiple instances of childhood abuse teamed up with congenital bone and breathing problems, which made sitting on my ass and consuming lots of food (and later on, alcohol) the only thing that made me "happy."

Food was therapy, love, friendship, and everything I needed it to be and it was killing me but I didn't know any other way. My mom is the same way. Most of the people in my family are, too. It took unlearning everything I knew about life and learning entirely new ways to look at food, exercise, myself, and the world around me. I had to become a radically different person in almost every way to make this stick.

Sometimes I feel like that old me was just a dream because it seems so... macabre and mind-boggling. Other times, I worry this is a dream because when I look back on the change, I have no fucking clue how I had the resiliency to pull it off. I can retrace my steps and still got lost trying to figure out how I made it through. Same thing with alcohol addiction. I've met so many people just like me in various recovery circles who are dead or will be soon and I can't figure out the difference between us.


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