Current Events > LONG article about how the alt-right co-opted Star Wars

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skermac 03/14/21 11:47:45 PM #51:	Tldr --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:951718156] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Tldr </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 03/14/21 11:48:00 PM #52:	Joel95 posted... Ah yes another guy as the main jedi character. Did he say the main Jedi or just "a Jedi" rather than a shitty comedic relief background character who was billed as a lead --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:951718164] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Joel95 posted... </cite> <quote>Ah yes another guy as the main jedi character.</quote>Did he say the main Jedi or just "a Jedi" rather than a shitty comedic relief background character who was billed as a lead </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wetterdew 03/14/21 11:48:42 PM #54:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... nobody who doesn't realize this is going to stop being a sucker just because of this article. I agree with you there, but I just thought it was a good summary for people who have noticed it and wanted to read more about it --- Talking about video games? it's ok to just disagree with each other on the internet. No point getting hostile or snide about it <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:951718183] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>nobody who doesn't realize this is going to stop being a sucker just because of this article.</quote>I agree with you there, but I just thought it was a good summary for people who have noticed it and wanted to read more about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AldousIsDead 03/14/21 11:49:56 PM #56:	Just asking questions, yep. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:951718206] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Just asking questions, yep. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joel95 03/14/21 11:51:21 PM #57:	Btw what's hilarious about Geeks + Gamers is that he made a video saying that he loved Last Jedi but then he saw the hate the movie was getting by conservatives so he deleted the video and then made like 30+ videos pretending that he hated it and how it was "sjw". <cite>Joel95 posted [p:951718244] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Btw what's hilarious about Geeks + Gamers is that he made a video saying that he loved Last Jedi but then he saw the hate the movie was getting by conservatives so he deleted the video and then made like 30+ videos pretending that he hated it and how it was "sjw". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/14/21 11:53:09 PM #58:	Joel95 posted... Btw what's hilarious about Geeks + Gamers is that he made a video saying that he loved Last Jedi but then he saw the hate the movie was getting by conservatives so he deleted the video and then made like 30+ videos pretending that he hated it and how it was "sjw". Seriously? I never knew that. That's pretty pathetic <cite>Zikten posted [p:951718286] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Joel95 posted...</cite> <quote>Btw what's hilarious about Geeks + Gamers is that he made a video saying that he loved Last Jedi but then he saw the hate the movie was getting by conservatives so he deleted the video and then made like 30+ videos pretending that he hated it and how it was "sjw". </quote> Seriously? I never knew that. That's pretty pathetic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 03/14/21 11:56:31 PM #59:	Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said. --- Talking about video games? it's ok to just disagree with each other on the internet. No point getting hostile or snide about it <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:951718393] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AldousIsDead 03/15/21 12:00:15 AM #61:	The game is up, bud. You've been disingenuous from the start. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:951718474] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>The game is up, bud. You've been disingenuous from the start. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/15/21 12:10:58 AM #62:	Original Trilogy: "The Empire are fascists. Nixon is their Emperor." Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" Prequel Trilogy: "George W. Bush started the Empire." Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" Sequel Trilogy: "The Empire are literally White Supremacists. Stop cheering them!" Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:951718734] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Original Trilogy: "The Empire are fascists. Nixon is their Emperor." Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" Prequel Trilogy: "George W. Bush started the Empire." Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" Sequel Trilogy: "The Empire are literally White Supremacists. Stop cheering them!" Republicans: "Star Wars! Fuck Yeah! Go Empire!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 03/15/21 12:12:51 AM #63:	Or maybe they sucked <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:951718777] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Or maybe they sucked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 03/15/21 12:18:51 AM #64:	Wetterdew posted... Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said. Looks like typical outrage culture clickbait crap. Seems to be working for him. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:951718892] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Wetterdew posted... </cite> <quote>Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said.</quote>Looks like typical outrage culture clickbait crap. Seems to be working for him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 03/15/21 12:20:06 AM #65:	@Background_Guy Or maybe they sucked I mean even if they did, that wouldn't explain how we got so much of these kinds of content: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79349170/951717785 --- Talking about video games? it's ok to just disagree with each other on the internet. No point getting hostile or snide about it <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:951718916] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>@Background_Guy <quote>Or maybe they sucked</quote>I mean even if they did, that wouldn't explain how we got so much of these kinds of content: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79349170/951717785 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 03/15/21 12:21:43 AM #66:	Wetterdew posted... Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said. It is funny watching people twist themselves in knots trying to pretend that you're making this up when you can just keep coming up with examples of horrible alt right type shit because there's so damn much of it and it's super easy to find. --- Go to this website for the TRUTH--if you can handle it! howbidenstoletheelection.com <cite>action52 posted [p:951718946] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Wetterdew posted... </cite> <quote>Not interested in debating whether Oxford's definition of alt-right is accurate or not If you look at the content certain communities were posting and your reaction is "well that's not technically alt right" or "this is fair criticism of [media/movie/whatever]" then there's nothing more to be said.</quote>It is funny watching people twist themselves in knots trying to pretend that you're making this up when you can just keep coming up with examples of horrible alt right type shit because there's so damn much of it and it's super easy to find. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AtelierRyza3462 03/15/21 12:23:31 AM #67:	I can appreciate the amount of work they put into this but we're just so past the point of blaming alt righties for how terrible these movies are. <cite>AtelierRyza3462 posted [p:951718988] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>I can appreciate the amount of work they put into this but we're just so past the point of blaming alt righties for how terrible these movies are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 03/15/21 12:28:57 AM #68:	action52 posted... It is funny watching people twist themselves in knots trying to pretend that you're making this up when you can just keep coming up with examples of horrible alt right type s* because there's so damn much of it and it's super easy to find. So why hasn't he been deplatformed yet? Youtube bans alt right content. There was even a period where they were banning history channels for covering WW2 content due to the algorithm. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:951719117] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>action52 posted... </cite> <quote>It is funny watching people twist themselves in knots trying to pretend that you're making this up when you can just keep coming up with examples of horrible alt right type s* because there's so damn much of it and it's super easy to find.</quote>So why hasn't he been deplatformed yet? Youtube bans alt right content. There was even a period where they were banning history channels for covering WW2 content due to the algorithm. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/15/21 12:29:43 AM #69:	RustyFerret posted... Youtube bans alt right content. lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:951719131] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>Youtube bans alt right content.</quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 03/15/21 12:35:42 AM #70:	Doom_Art posted... lol Capitol riot supporters like Steven Crowder didn't even get a slap on the wrist. On topic. Just because alt-right people didn't like the movies, it doesn't mean they were good and it doesn't mean everyone who didn't like them were alt-right. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:951719248] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted...</cite><quote>lol</quote>Capitol riot supporters like Steven Crowder didn't even get a slap on the wrist. On topic. Just because alt-right people didn't like the movies, it doesn't mean they were good and it doesn't mean everyone who didn't like them were alt-right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 03/15/21 1:14:45 AM #71:	so maybe it's just me but when i saw the adverts for the force awakens i thought they were presenting a brave new world where the force found its way into a new generation of (multiple) characters, none of whom were directly linked to the past story by blood i think that's what people mean when they discuss finn as a jedi. i honestly thought we were going to see multiple different kinds of force users in the main cast, poe also being one without even knowing it. that would've been pretty damn exciting. it's definitely what the ads had me thinking before the first film released. it goes without saying that political extremists took advantage of the existing negative reaction to the advertising/product difference and the sexist/gatekeeping reaction of existing fans complaining that 'their starwars' was using girl power themes to draw in new fans at the cost of narrative development. like, this should be a given. yes, nazis and nazi-fellaters absolutely jumped into this, stoked the flames, and made it worse. they're constantly looking for any low-grade culture war topic to go nuclear on. op keeps saying "this isn't about whether the original reaction had any validity" but good luck getting people to see that. nobody wants to think they accidentally helped nazis. but it's ok if you did. just go find a nazi and break his fucking jaw, and we're good. --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:951720064] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>so maybe it's just me but when i saw the adverts for the force awakens i thought they were presenting a brave new world where the force found its way into a new generation of (multiple) characters, none of whom were directly linked to the past story by blood i think that's what people mean when they discuss finn as a jedi. i honestly thought we were going to see multiple different kinds of force users in the main cast, poe also being one without even knowing it. that would've been pretty damn exciting. it's definitely what the ads had me thinking before the first film released. it goes without saying that political extremists took advantage of the existing negative reaction to the advertising/product difference and the sexist/gatekeeping reaction of existing fans complaining that 'their starwars' was using girl power themes to draw in new fans at the cost of narrative development. like, this should be a given. yes, nazis and nazi-fellaters absolutely jumped into this, stoked the flames, and made it worse. they're constantly looking for any low-grade culture war topic to go nuclear on. op keeps saying "this isn't about whether the original reaction had any validity" but good luck getting people to see that. nobody wants to think they accidentally helped nazis. but it's ok if you did. just go find a nazi and break his fucking jaw, and we're good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joel95 03/15/21 1:43:40 AM #72:	Sackgurl posted... so maybe it's just me but when i saw the adverts for the force awakens i thought they were presenting a brave new world where the force found its way into a new generation of (multiple) characters, none of whom were directly linked to the past story by blood i think that's what people mean when they discuss finn as a jedi. i honestly thought we were going to see multiple different kinds of force users in the main cast, poe also being one without even knowing it. that would've been pretty damn exciting. it's definitely what the ads had me thinking before the first film released. it goes without saying that political extremists took advantage of the existing negative reaction to the advertising/product difference and the sexist/gatekeeping reaction of existing fans complaining that 'their starwars' was using girl power themes to draw in new fans at the cost of narrative development. like, this should be a given. yes, nazis and nazi-fellaters absolutely jumped into this, stoked the flames, and made it worse. they're constantly looking for any low-grade culture war topic to go nuclear on. op keeps saying "this isn't about whether the original reaction had any validity" but good luck getting people to see that. nobody wants to think they accidentally helped nazis. but it's ok if you did. just go find a nazi and break his fucking jaw, and we're good. Last Jedi did introduce the concept that the force belongs to everyone and not just the Jedi and the Sith and Rise of Skywalker did jack shit with it. <cite>Joel95 posted [p:951720596] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>so maybe it's just me but when i saw the adverts for the force awakens i thought they were presenting a brave new world where the force found its way into a new generation of (multiple) characters, none of whom were directly linked to the past story by blood i think that's what people mean when they discuss finn as a jedi. i honestly thought we were going to see multiple different kinds of force users in the main cast, poe also being one without even knowing it. that would've been pretty damn exciting. it's definitely what the ads had me thinking before the first film released. it goes without saying that political extremists took advantage of the existing negative reaction to the advertising/product difference and the sexist/gatekeeping reaction of existing fans complaining that 'their starwars' was using girl power themes to draw in new fans at the cost of narrative development. like, this should be a given. yes, nazis and nazi-fellaters absolutely jumped into this, stoked the flames, and made it worse. they're constantly looking for any low-grade culture war topic to go nuclear on. op keeps saying "this isn't about whether the original reaction had any validity" but good luck getting people to see that. nobody wants to think they accidentally helped nazis. but it's ok if you did. just go find a nazi and break his fucking jaw, and we're good.</quote>Last Jedi did introduce the concept that the force belongs to everyone and not just the Jedi and the Sith and Rise of Skywalker did jack shit with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 03/15/21 2:14:47 AM #73:	Joel95 posted... Last Jedi did introduce the concept that the force belongs to everyone Which didn't really make any sense. When did any of the prior movies say the force belonged to any one group? Even yoda and obiwan describe the force as being an energy field created by all living things. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:951721124] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Joel95 posted... </cite> <quote>Last Jedi did introduce the concept that the force belongs to everyone </quote>Which didn't really make any sense. When did any of the prior movies say the force belonged to any one group? Even yoda and obiwan describe the force as being an energy field created by all living things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 03/15/21 2:18:09 AM #74:	They're reading into something that's not there. There are plenty of reasons why people dislike the new Star Wars trilogy that is not with the alt right group. Of course that is not to say that they're wrong about people disliking it for racist and sexist reasons, but it's disingenuous how the article is putting it. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:951721188] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>They're reading into something that's not there. There are plenty of reasons why people dislike the new Star Wars trilogy that is not with the alt right group. Of course that is not to say that they're wrong about people disliking it for racist and sexist reasons, but it's disingenuous how the article is putting it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joel95 03/15/21 2:23:21 AM #75:	RustyFerret posted... Which didn't really make any sense. When did any of the prior movies say the force belonged to any one group? Even yoda and obiwan describe the force as being an energy field created by all living things. When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith? <cite>Joel95 posted [p:951721277] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>Which didn't really make any sense. When did any of the prior movies say the force belonged to any one group? Even yoda and obiwan describe the force as being an energy field created by all living things.</quote>When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 03/15/21 2:35:35 AM #76:	Prestoff posted... They're reading into something that's not there. There are plenty of reasons why people dislike the new Star Wars trilogy that is not with the alt right group. Of course that is not to say that they're wrong about people disliking it for racist and sexist reasons, but it's disingenuous how the article is putting it. where specifically does the article say that the only reasons to dislike it are alt-right? The thesis of the article isn't "star wars is a perfect movie", it's "the star wars movies were targeted by alt right parts of the internet" Also if you acknowledge there are people disliking it for racism/sexism then how can you also say the writer is reading into something that isn't there. Also I don't see how you can say they're reading into something that isn't there when they straight-up posted loads of examples of it on multiple social media sites, usually with tens or even hundreds of thousands of views. --- Talking about video games? it's ok to just disagree with each other on the internet. No point getting hostile or snide about it <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:951721479] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Prestoff posted... </cite> <quote>They're reading into something that's not there. There are plenty of reasons why people dislike the new Star Wars trilogy that is not with the alt right group. Of course that is not to say that they're wrong about people disliking it for racist and sexist reasons, but it's disingenuous how the article is putting it.</quote>where specifically does the article say that the only reasons to dislike it are alt-right? The thesis of the article isn't "star wars is a perfect movie", it's "the star wars movies were targeted by alt right parts of the internet" Also if you acknowledge there are people disliking it for racism/sexism then how can you also say the writer is reading into something that isn't there. Also I don't see how you can say they're reading into something that isn't there when they straight-up posted loads of examples of it on multiple social media sites, usually with tens or even hundreds of thousands of views. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 03/15/21 3:16:58 AM #77:	Joel95 posted... When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith? I don't see how being able to use the force implies ownership of it. Besides in the original and prequels people can be force sensitive without being trained as a Jedi or sith. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:951722083] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Joel95 posted... </cite> <quote>When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith?</quote>I don't see how being able to use the force implies ownership of it. Besides in the original and prequels people can be force sensitive without being trained as a Jedi or sith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 03/15/21 3:43:50 AM #78:	Joel95 posted... When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith? Leia wasn't a jedi and used the force as early as ESB. The Force has never been "owned" by the Jedi or the Sith, nor has it been restricted to bloodlines. But suddenly TLJ is bold and subversive for doing something that's been true since the beginning. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:951722516] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>Joel95 posted... </cite> <quote>When the only ones who used the force in the original and prequel movies were the Jedi and the Sith?</quote> Leia wasn't a jedi and used the force as early as ESB. The Force has never been "owned" by the Jedi or the Sith, nor has it been restricted to bloodlines. But suddenly TLJ is bold and subversive for doing something that's been true since the beginning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joel95 03/15/21 3:53:52 AM #79:	RustyFerret posted... I don't see how being able to use the force implies ownership of it. Besides in the original and prequels people can be force sensitive without being trained as a Jedi or sith. I mean the concept the force was basically could be used by anyone and not just the Jedi or the Sith. The movies did basically have only the Jedi or the Sith using the force. Last Jedi tried to introduce the concept that the force would be used in a more egalitarian way instead of mostly just an elite group of warriors using it. <cite>Joel95 posted [p:951722636] in LONG artic... [t:79349170]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>I don't see how being able to use the force implies ownership of it. Besides in the original and prequels people can be force sensitive without being trained as a Jedi or sith.</quote>I mean the concept the force was basically could be used by anyone and not just the Jedi or the Sith. The movies did basically have only the Jedi or the Sith using the force. Last Jedi tried to introduce the concept that the force would be used in a more egalitarian way instead of mostly just an elite group of warriors using it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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