Current Events > the mystery of latino men and democrats

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/us/politics/latino-voters-democrats.html

We were brought up the old-school way, that men are men, they have to provide, that theres no excuses and theres no crying. If you dont make it, its because youre a pendejo, he said, using a Spanish term for idiot. Maybe thats not nice, but it breeds strong men, mentally strong men.

don't be a pendejo, CE

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Personal responsibility is a good mindset

I don't think that's what that word means.

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Too bad that's viewed as old fashioned these days.

Squall28 posted...

I don't think that's what that word means.

new york times be churching it up and whitewashing it pretty good

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AtelierRyza3462 posted...

Too bad that's viewed as old fashioned these days.

I don't think people think being mentally strong is old fashioned. But like, that quote isn't really true in my opinion.

I don't believe someone telling me that in the past, people didn't blame others for not "making it"

And even if so, it's still not true. Like, we know "making it" takes more than just hard work. It's just an unnuanced way of seeing the world to think that outside forces don't exist.

Yes, work hard and do what you can to achieve your goals. But don't create lies about how it's only you that achieved something through pure grit and determination
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Make of this what you will
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1368205092588036101


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emblem boy posted...

But don't create lies about how it's only you that achieved something through pure grit and determination

Try telling people who literally leave absolutely everything behind and risk absolutely everything whether or not it was their pure grit and determination to get ahead in life >_>

Latinos dont complain - mostly because they didnt have the words to complain so they just knew the money was good and thats pretty much all to it

As far as OP goes I mean, yeah - lots of them see certain problems and issues as auxiliary things that only come from having so much that you can afford to think about these things. Can you blame em? They come from dirt poor backgrounds where even if youre wealthy its the equivalent of being upper middle class over here.

How are they going to connect to issues involving identity when no one in other countries has the means to even achieve that? How are they going to relate to certain forms of sustainability when GMOs are what allow for produce to be a safe bet to eat in a place full of mosquitos.

Still I think its up to other Latinos to bust the door open for people who lean to the right - we dont need to associate with Americas version of God, we dont need to adhere to the useless mindsets here of ostracizing people, we dont need to stay comfortable only within our own people..

Literally were in a position to learn more about cultures and life and how to accept others and how NOT to totally reject our past like complete babies like how it is in America >_>

I love this country and I dont wanna make excuses for shitty people, just thought Id throw out something worth noting


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RedJackson posted...

Try telling people who literally leave absolutely everything behind and risk absolutely everything whether or not it was their pure grit and determination to get ahead in life >_>

I mean, my parents brought me and my siblings to the us and I'll always acknowledge the work they did in order to give us a good life. Working low paying jobs in order to pay the bills, while getting the necessary certifications in order to move up. Despite already having degrees from our original country.
That doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the help we were given in the process or understand that any small thing not going our way could have been incredibly detrimental to us. Or am I misunderstanding your point?

As for the rest of your post, I mean I do think that messaging of various topics need to be done better if that's what you're trying to get at. I think ideally, we should be able to make nuanced points without people thinking they're being attacked in some way.. but that's different topic
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RedJackson posted...

Try telling people who literally leave absolutely everything behind and risk absolutely everything whether or not it was their pure grit and determination to get ahead in life >_>

Not every Latino is an immigrant.

ButteryMales posted...

Not every Latino is an immigrant.

and not every immigrant is a latino!

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Yeah that sums up my husband pretty well.

I thought pendejo means d head

I would be interested to know how mental strength is measured in this context. Lack of anxiety? Or fear? Suppressed emotions, or feeling them fully and moving on? Would be interesting to see data on that type of thing.

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Jabodie posted...

I would be interested to know how mental strength is measured in this context. Lack of anxiety? Or fear? Suppressed emotions, or feeling them fully and moving on? Would be interesting to see data on that type of thing.

"real recognize real" test

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emblem boy posted...

That doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the help we were given in the process or understand that any small thing not going our way could have been incredibly detrimental to us. Or am I misunderstanding your point?

Thats true - I guess my point is everyone receives help, but the bulk of a persons life IS self-made and when you have a story like that of immigration and THEN get help, thats totally different. People can offer you the opportunity of course but most people already acknowledge and know that. They give these opportunities to everyone, so how special is it to mention that? Most immigrants ARE self-made.

I didnt have a problem with yer post per se, just thought Id throw this out there for the sake of discussion

ButteryMales posted...

Not every Latino is an immigrant.

Thank God someone said it

You may have been born here but those people are still raised by people of the past who dont have connection or ties to certain issues

Its easy to say but everyone is capable of empathizing and its like yes, but you dont have an onslaught of hyper attentive people jumping down eachothers throats in other countries to force them to empathize like they do in America

We havent reached that point and I think its a perfect opportunity for other countries to say lets learn how we can accept others without doing all that American guy stuff where you play the conflate game on the daily because you actually have that much time to think about it

Who wouldve thought get greedy and consumed by money yknow? Voting Republican is almost like rejecting the past, but I dont think they understand religion in America and how much bigotry is ingrained in it so they adopt these shitty examples thinking theyre doing something good

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Plot twist, everyone is a pendejo.
I took a Chicano studies class in college and the first assignment was to tell a story about your life where you were a pendejo. It was fun. Humility is a good thing

RedJackson posted...

Thats true - I guess my point is everyone receives help, but the bulk of a persons life IS self-made and when you have a story like that of immigration and THEN get help, thats totally different. People can offer you the opportunity of course but most people already acknowledge and know that. They give these opportunities to everyone, so how special is it to mention that? Most immigrants ARE self-made.

I didnt have a problem with yer post per se, just thought Id throw this out there for the sake of discussion

I get it and I don't want people to understate how much of life can be changed by their own agency. At the end of the day, you have to get shit done.

But I think at some levels there's an exaggeration of how much help is given or really accessible for many to use. And it distorts things.
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emblem boy posted...

I get it and I don't want people to understate how much of life can be changed by their own agency. At the end of the day, you have to get shit done.

But I think at some levels there's an exaggeration of how much help is given or really accessible for many to use. And it distorts things.

Agreed

Shitty people are shitty people, I call them traitors but I find myself feeling like Im in the wrong to think every latino should be democrat. Not sure why since I know Democrats are the only way to free people from cages but I hate the idea of someone telling me oh youre not with us as a latino because of x

Issues shouldnt have to come down for that.. I guess me as a latino have relied on that type of language to convince my fellow Latinos because otherwise they cant connect to certain social issues.

Its strange, thanks for OPs post and your post I can at least think about how I really think if things myself since Im very jaded by politics and usually say fuck it, I just gotta keep going


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you're welcome but i resent the fact that someone was supposed to think about anything other than the pendejo situation

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