Current Events > I feel bad, but the J&J vaccine numbers are kind of shit.

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Let me preface this by saying I am 100 fucking percent pro-vaccine, and do NOT want to even approach anti-vaxxer territory, but I gotta be real here, I'm super unenthused by the success rates of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine.

I know 66% is a lot higher than some flu vaccines even tend to be, and the efficacy rate for preventing death is thought to be almost 100%, but my hangup is that I'm still concerned about the lingering side effects that come with COVID. Not dying is great, but for me personally, the possibility of losing my sense of smell/taste for months or possibly years is fucking horrifying. Like, that's practically as bad as dying for me, since cooking is basically CRUCIAL to my ability to enjoy life.

I know it's brand new and probably barely any data, but is there any idea on how effective it is at preventing chronic COVID symptoms? I feel like the novelty of being guaranteed to only suffer mild symptoms is marginalized if those mild symptoms could still persist even after you have no viral load.

Idk. Just thinking out loud in text-form here and kinda salty I couldn't get into NY's waitlist for the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines.

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But it is just one dose compared to the two required for the 95% efficacy.

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Yeah, I'd much prefer the two shots with the much higher efficacy rate

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Yeah, I'd much prefer the two shots with the much higher efficacy rate

Yeah, but you dont get both shots at once. You wait a month or more between shots. And some places have been swapping the 2nd dose with the other vaccine.

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LightHawKnight posted...

And some places have been swapping the 2nd dose with the other vaccine.

Source?

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I recall hearing the J&J one are trialling a two-shot program too. It'll be interesting to see how that one works out.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

what gets me about the vaccinations is that they have not been tested against any of the new variants, and probably won't be very effective against them at all. and there are several new variants that are popping up everywhere. at this point i don't know that the vaccinations as they are currently are will even do much good. and it worries me that people aren't going to understand that. a lot of people are going to think that they are going to get the vaccine and then everything will be fine, they won't have to wear a mask anymore, won't have to socially distance or quarantine, we'll have herd immunity.... and that's simply not how it's going to work. we're still going to have to do all of that. maybe for quite a long time.

I thought the J&J one did test against some of the other variants. And everything I've seems to suggest that the vaccines are expected to work against the currently-known variants. I don't remember any sources though, so I don't know that that's necessarily true.

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Imagine working hard for a world saving vaccine, only for most other major brands to be about 30% more effective.

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it knocks down hospitalizations to near zero, reduces transmission rates and it seems to stack up decently against several of the variants, what is the problem here?

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Source?

Saw it on a scishow video. Apparently long delay for the 2nd dose can get hospitals mixed up or they ran out of one or the other.

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coolboy11 posted...

it knocks down hospitalizations to near zero, reduces transmission rates and it seems to stack up decently against several of the variants, what is the problem here?

ObjectiveLogic posted...

Not dying is great, but for me personally, the possibility of losing my sense of smell/taste for months or possibly years is fucking horrifying. Like, that's practically as bad as dying for me, since cooking is basically CRUCIAL to my ability to enjoy life.

ObjectiveLogic posted...

for me personally

I'm happy that it will help accelerate herd immunity and increase the number of people vaccinated, but if I didn't emphasize enough, for me personally, 66% at preventing all illness is really iffy if there isn't any statistical evidence yet about whether it also eliminates the more long-lasting effects of COVID, which honestly almost scare me more than dying.

People who are less reliant on their senses of smell/taste should absolutely get the JJ vaccine if they're comfortable about it. But for the context of my own lifestyle, I find the results of it a bit disappointing.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

what gets me about the vaccinations is that they have not been tested against any of the new variants, and probably won't be very effective against them at all. and there are several new variants that are popping up everywhere. at this point i don't know that the vaccinations as they are currently are will even do much good. and it worries me that people aren't going to understand that. a lot of people are going to think that they are going to get the vaccine and then everything will be fine, they won't have to wear a mask anymore, won't have to socially distance or quarantine, we'll have herd immunity.... and that's simply not how it's going to work. we're still going to have to do all of that. maybe for quite a long time.

As far as I'm aware, the RNA vaccines are pretty damn effective towards the UK and South African variants. Idk about the other vaccines though

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ObjectiveLogic posted...

I'm happy that it will help accelerate herd immunity and increase the number of people vaccinated, but if I didn't emphasize enough, for me personally, 66% at preventing all illness is really iffy if there isn't any statistical evidence yet about whether it also eliminates the more long-lasting effects of COVID, which honestly almost scare me more than dying.

If they tell you that you are eligible for vaccine and give you an appointment, and when you get there you find out it's the J&J vaccine, are you going to refuse it?

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isnt the J&J one based on a more established vaccine technology? that might be some peace of mind for people paranoid about the new ones >_>

inTaCtfuL posted...

As far as I'm aware, the RNA vaccines are pretty damn effective towards the UK and South African variants. Idk about the other vaccines though

That's what I heard, but there's so many frigging conflicting reports, that it's hard to keep track. One day, I see articles stating Pfizer/Moderna are just as effective against the new strains, the next day I see the opposite. Then another day I see one is effective against the UK strain but not African. Then I see an article saying they're good for UK/Africa, but not the Brazilian strain.

I really feel bad for scientists who are literally racing against viral evolution to protect everyone against new mutations. That's gotta be so stressful... :\

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I completely agree. The JandJ vaccine is good for mass vaccinating the elderly and at risk, but I want the Pfizer or Moderna one. I don't want to get this shit EVER. I'm a singer, and the lasting impact to the lungs hasn't been researched enough, but it doesn't look good. I really REALLY don't want to come down with this. It's been a year and I've been pretty close to it. Hell without an antibody test and my covid test potentially coming back wrong, there's no telling I haven't had it when I got super sick at the beginning of this

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AlCalavicci posted...

If they tell you that you are eligible for vaccine and give you an appointment, and when you get there you find out it's the J&J vaccine, are you going to refuse it?

I've thought about it, and I honestly don't know yet. I'm in an at-risk category (asthma) so I absolutely want to get vaccinated. But I dunno... As stupid as this sounds, I think about all the times I've played Pokemon, and how attacks that have an accuracy of 60% never seem to work lol. So applying that RNG mindset to something important makes me really conflicted.

Like I said, if there was data suggesting its efficacy on preventing long-lasting symptoms, that would definitely help me decide.

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anything against covid is a blessing

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I'm sorry that the J&J vaccine doesn't completely eliminate the risks by 100%, as if the other vaccine candidates are perfect themselves.

If you're waiting for the perfect vaccine then you're going to wait forever. Might as well and quarantine yourself until the end of time to be fully protected from the coronavirus _

ShyOx posted...

I completely agree. The JandJ vaccine is good for mass vaccinating the elderly and at risk, but I want the Pfizer or Moderna one. I don't want to get this shit EVER. I'm a singer, and the lasting impact to the lungs hasn't been researched enough, but it doesn't look good. I really REALLY don't want to come down with this. It's been a year and I've been pretty close to it. Hell without an antibody test and my covid test potentially coming back wrong, there's no telling I haven't had it when I got super sick at the beginning of this

I mean waiting means you spend more time at 100% risk, so you are in more danger anyways.

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LightHawKnight posted...

I mean waiting means you spend more time at 100% risk, so you are in more danger anyways.

We're pretty careful with me and mine; if it's all there is then that's what I'll get. But I'd much rather have Pfizer or Moderna.

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ShyOx posted...

We're pretty careful with me and mine; if it's all there is then that's what I'll get. But I'd much rather have Pfizer or Moderna.

I mean even if you are careful unless you never go outside going near anyone has a chance of getting it.

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LightHawKnight posted...

I mean even if you are careful unless you never go outside going near anyone has a chance of getting it.

I'm very good at rolling dice

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So lets say someone gets the J&J vaccine

And a month later they are able to sign up for another vaccine and they can get the Moderna or Pfizer. Questions:

Is there anything in place disqualifying them from even going through another vaccine process and doubling up?
Would J&J + Moderna/Pfizer default to Moderna/Pfizer's efficacy?
Would doing two different vaccines cause harmful effects to the body?
Would they even be able to schedule separate vaccine appointments?

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AlCalavicci posted...

So lets say someone gets the J&J vaccine

And a month later they are able to sign up for another vaccine and they can get the Moderna or Pfizer. Questions:

Is there anything in place disqualifying them from even going through another vaccine process and doubling up?
Would J&J + Moderna/Pfizer default to Moderna/Pfizer's efficacy?
Would doing two different vaccines cause harmful effects to the body?
Would they even be able to schedule separate vaccine appointments?

I don't know about procedure but no, they don't conflict and I'm fairly certain that having both would be the preference. JnJ is the more classic method of administering the dead/cold virus and then becoming immune fighting it without it having much chance to react. JnJ will be the more important in the long run with the virus mutating. However, Pfizer has said they can give a booster that will protect against variants.

When they're different vaccine types, in this case, it's better to have both.

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LightHawKnight posted...

I mean even if you are careful unless you never go outside going near anyone has a chance of getting it.

I know not directed at me, but in the same vein here, I was considered an essential worker and haven't stopped working since the start, and my work takes me into risky environments. (I'm a pest control tech. And people do noooot like wearing masks in their own homes lol)

Even after coming into contact with customers who were confirmed to have COVID, I've made it this far without getting sick, and I assume it's because I'm ludicrously careful about it since I was a major germophobe even before the pandemic. Obviously knock on motherfucking wood, do not want to jinx it lol. But seriously though, I have a respirator with removable N95 cartridges, so I assume they're keeping me safe.

ShyOx posted...

I don't know about procedure but no, they don't conflict and I'm fairly certain that having both would be the preference. JnJ is the more classic method of administering the dead/cold virus and then becoming immune fighting it without it having much chance to react. JnJ will be the more important in the long run with the virus mutating. However, Pfizer has said they can give a booster that will protect against variants.

When they're different vaccine types, in this case, it's better to have both.

This is interesting to know! If regulations wouldn't prevent people from getting two vaccines, I guess ideally I would get the J&J vaccine and then try to get one of the RNA ones after. See, I made this thread under the impression that once you get one, you don't get any others lol.

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ObjectiveLogic posted...

I know not directed at me, but in the same vein here, I was considered an essential worker and haven't stopped working since the start, and my work takes me into risky environments. (I'm a pest control tech. And people do noooot like wearing masks in their own homes lol)

Even after coming into contact with customers who were confirmed to have COVID, I've made it this far without getting sick, and I assume it's because I'm ludicrously careful about it since I was a major germophobe even before the pandemic. Obviously knock on motherfucking wood, do not want to jinx it lol. But seriously though, I have a respirator with removable N95 cartridges, so I assume they're keeping me safe.

this was me. I was an apprentice carpenter. My coworkers didn't care enough before it got super cereal, and relaxed too early. At least I was the painter with an open air shop.

This is interesting to know! If regulations wouldn't prevent people from getting two vaccines, I guess ideally I would get the J&J vaccine and then try to get one of the RNA ones after. See, I made this thread under the impression that once you get one, you don't get any others lol.

I dont think regulations prevent you from getting both afaik. You can probably game the system to get both, and would benefit from both. JnJ will be the most available one soon. Hopefully we can pay an easy 20$ in a few months to get the other one too.

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