Board 8 > Outrage after a TEEN made a GEORGE FLOYD Poster as social media demands ACTION!.

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A Nevada School District is investigating a teen heifer who used the death of George Floyd for a Sadie Hawkins dance invitation to a boy as it has now gone viral causing outrage over the poster!..

It sparked immediate rage online with one twitter user writing "How dare you joke about someone's death?"

Another says "The white privilege int his picture is LOUD, girl cmon".

Many are now calling for her to be SUSPENDED at her school for the disgusting image as one user said "Let them know this is completely unacceptable and disciplinary action should be taken"

Foothill High School and the Clark County School District said they are aware of this and are investigating as they do not tolerate racially insensitive behaviours that contradict an inclusive community and impact in their school culture

The district will now have a virtual student town hall forum for students impacted by these recent events

Should action be taken over this?

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Eh, it's certainly in poor taste, but I wouldn't call it racist. There's no evidence I see that would lead me to believe they wouldn't have made the same in poor taste joke had he been white.

Now, if you want to talk about racist, I definitely see that in some of the complaints aimed at her.

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The Utility Man posted...

Eh, it's certainly in poor taste, but I wouldn't call it racist. There's no evidence I see that would lead me to believe they wouldn't have made the same in poor taste joke had he been white.

Now, if you want to talk about racist, I definitely see that in some of the complaints aimed at her.

You ever once just stop and think before you make posts like this

I mean you don't because you do this a lot

But maybe you should

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StealThisSheen posted...

You ever once just stop and think before you make posts like this

I mean you don't because you do this a lot

But maybe you should

What exactly is wrong with what I said? I'm not defending the joke they made, just saying it isn't racist.

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yeah, i laughed. but damn, teach your kids to use social media responsibly

i feel like this would be equivalent to making a 9/11 joke in 2002. which you could do! just in the privacy of your own social group.

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The Utility Man posted...

What exactly is wrong with what I said? I'm not defending the joke they made, just saying it isn't racist.

First, the phrase they used was "racially insensitive."

Making a joke about the death of a man who has been one of the leading images behind the messaging about police violence against black people for a stupid dance poster is certainly racially insensitive. If you can't figure out how, you're either sheltered, ignorant, or just don't care.

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StealThisSheen posted...

First, the phrase they used was "racially insensitive."

Making a joke about the death of a man who has been one of the leading images behind the messaging about police violence against black people for a stupid dance poster is certainly racially insensitive. If you can't figure out how, you're either sheltered, ignorant, or just don't care.

Or you're looking for a problem where there isn't one. I said the joke was in poor taste, if you want to take it further and say there should be some kind of ramifications for it ok, but race really had nothing to do with it. The fact that she made a joke about someone who's Black doesn't mean it was done BECAUSE he was Black.

If you're going to be against something, at least be against it for a legit reason.

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Alright, let me spell it out for you, here, since I'm really hoping it's the "sheltered" or "ignorant" answer and not the other one.

Police brutality against black people is still a very real problem today. It's a huge problem and concern for black people across the entire country.

Making fun of George Floyd's death is making light of that problem. It's basically saying "I don't care how you feel about it, to me it's just a joke."

That is racially insensitive. It's being ignorant of, or even possibly purposely ignoring how people who are dealing with this very racially charged issue feel.

You do this every single time. You seem to think that unless somebody pretty much drops the n word, there's no other way to be racist or racially insensitive.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You do this every single time. You seem to think that unless somebody pretty much drops the n word, there's no other way to be racist or racially insensitive.

That is not the case at all, which I very much made clear. I think for it to be racist it has to be targeted at or done because said person happens to be Black. You can't just say "this person was black and that was negative so it's racist".

StealThisSheen posted...

Police brutality against black people is still a very real problem today. It's a huge problem and concern for black people across the entire country.

I can agree with that.

StealThisSheen posted...

Making fun of George Floyd's death is making light of that problem. It's basically saying "I don't care how you feel about it, to me it's just a joke."

That I do not agree with. Making fun of his death is just making fun of someone who died. It's not right, but it has nothing to do with what they did in life unless I see proof of that. They wanted to make a "take my breath away" joke and used him because of how he died. Again, I don't like it, I don't think it's right, but I don't see it having anything to do with what the man did in life. If there were some connection to where this person spoke negatively about what they did in life, then I would be willing to agree with you, but all I see is a stupid joke and he was just the person they thought of first.

Maybe there is something I don't know about that would prove they did it with some type of malice toward his life decisions, but I don't see it currently.

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You don't know what "racially insensitive" means, do you

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you can be accidentally racially insensitive

it's impossible to be sensitive to all things at all times

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banananor posted...

you can be accidentally racially insensitive

it's impossible to be sensitive to all things at all times

You really think it's possible to be "accidentally" racially insensitive about George Floyd of all things, as much as it was in the news and what it lead to?

It doesn't have to take malice, but it absolutely does take willful ignorance at the very least.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You don't know what "racially insensitive" means, do you

I know a lot of people debate about what is and isn't racially insensitive, however one thing most typically agree on, myself included, is that racially insensitive =/= racist.

From what I understand, you're using racially insensitive in this manner because of what George Floyd did in life, but do we have any proof that the person in question even knew anything about him other than how he died?

I'm not debating you on the insensitive part of that, because it was, but I truly don't get why race is being brought into this. Call me ignorant if you wish, but I don't understand why his race matters unless there was some kind of proof that it had anything to do with it.

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It has nothing to do with what George Floyd did in his life.

It has to do with the fact that he was, for a long while, the most prominent image for the movement against police brutality against black people. He's the "poster child" for it. You literally can't make fun of his death without making light of the problem because it's literally how/why he died.

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StealThisSheen posted...

It has nothing to do with what George Floyd did in his life.

It has to do with the fact that he was, for a long while, the most prominent image for the movement against police brutality against black people. He's the "poster child" for it. You literally can't make fun of his death without making light of the problem because it's literally how/why he died.

Ok, I get now that you're saying it had nothing to do with him specifically, but because of the movement afterwards that was using him as their standard.

I can also see where we're still going to disagree here. I don't think making fun of how he died is making light of the movement. That would be like saying he only matters because of the movement, as if you can't separate the two. If you can admit all life is special and his death isn't simply tragic because of the movement afterwards, then you must also admit there's a chance that this joke had no ill will toward the movement itself. It has to be one way or the other to me, either you can separate the man from the movement or you can't.

Again though, I will say if the person in question was showing any negativity toward the movement itself(not specifically what they've done), then I will apologize and accept it to be racially motivated.

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He died to police brutality escalated against him because he was black.

I'm not sure how you can say it's possible to make fun of his death without making light of the problem.

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StealThisSheen posted...

He died to police brutality escalated against him because he was black.

I'm not sure how you can say it's possible to make fun of his death without making light of the problem.

Because reasons matter to me. Was their reason for making fun of him because he was black? Because of police brutality? Because of the problem the black community has with police?

Or was it a stupid joke about not being able to breathe based on someone who died because they couldn't breathe?

I'm not saying I don't understand what you're getting at, I just don't want to assume possible intentions on the part of the girl in question.

I don't want to lump potential ignorance in the same boat as intended malice.

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Ignorance of what? If you know how he died enough to make an "I can't breathe" joke, then you literally know the circumstances surrounding his death. There is no "accidentally" ignorant, here. At best, it's willful ignorance of the problem or movement and what they mean to black people. And in that case, it's still racially insensitive. At worst, there's actually malice behind it and then it's just straight up racist. We don't have enough facts to say there's malice and it's straight up a racist action, but we absolutely have enough facts to know it's racially insensitive, which is literally what they said, so there should be no issues taken.

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Weird how the same people okay with this because they don't want to 'ruin her life' are perfectly okay with ending George Floyd's life over a possible fake $20.00

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The Utility Man posted...

Eh, it's certainly in poor taste, but I wouldn't call it racist. There's no evidence I see that would lead me to believe they wouldn't have made the same in poor taste joke had he been white.

Then why didn't she use a white person?

Heck Rush Limbaugh died recently! Lung Cancer.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Ignorance of what? If you know how he died enough to make an "I can't breathe" joke, then you literally know the circumstances surrounding his death. There is no "accidentally" ignorant, here. At best, it's willful ignorance of the problem or movement and what they mean to black people. And in that case, it's still racially insensitive. At worst, there's actually malice behind it and then it's just straight up racist. We don't have enough facts to say there's malice and it's straight up a racist action, but we absolutely have enough facts to know it's racially insensitive, which is literally what they said, so there should be no issues taken.

It's entirely possibly that all they knew is that he died while police were restraining him and his way of dying was not being able to breath. Do we know for sure? No, but we also don't know that isn't the case. Innocent until proven guilty I say. I'm not just going to label it racially insensitive because he was black by assuming they knew more than that.

Ashethan posted...

Then why didn't she use a white person?

Heck Rush Limbaugh died recently! Lung Cancer.

Probably first person they thought of. If I were going to think of someone that died from not breathing that's the first person I'd think of. If I had to think of a second, I don't know that I'd be able to.

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The Utility Man posted...

Probably first person they thought of. If I were going to think of someone that died from not breathing that's the first person I'd think of. If I had to think of a second, I don't know that I'd be able to.

Really? Not the Holocaust, where they literally gassed Jewish people?

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Ashethan posted...

Really? Not the Holocaust, where they literally gassed Jewish people?

Ok, I see what your intention is, and that trying to talk rationally to you will fall on deaf ears.

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The Utility Man posted...

Ok, I see what your intention is, and that trying to talk rationally to you will fall on deaf ears.

Maybe you should try talking rationally first. I find that generally helps.

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Ashethan posted...

Maybe you should try talking rationally first. I find that generally helps.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean they aren't talking rationally. The fact that you feel that way re-enforces that there's no need to try and reason with you.

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Probably first person they thought of. If I were going to think of someone that died from not breathing that's the first person I'd think of. If I had to think of a second, I don't know that I'd be able to.

you think she started from the premise of joking about anyone dying because they couldnt breathe and then George Floyd was the first example she thought of rather than starting from the premise of joking about George Floyd?

like she thought I have this really great asphyxiation joke, but I need a famously dead person to draw along with it?
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TUM when the thing being accused is "not being sensitive to the ramifications of the statement you are making" then you can't say "it comes down to the intent of the message". The fact that the intent was oblivious to the ramifications is proof by itself.

That would be like if I got pulled over for driving recklessly and my excuse was "well my intent was to juggle three balls in one hand and solve a rubik's cube with my other hand and i just so happened to be on the highway at the time. How can I be guilty of driving recklessly if I did not intend to do so?"

It's completely beyond the pale to suggest you can't do anything wrong unless it is premeditated.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You really think it's possible to be "accidentally" racially insensitive about George Floyd of all things, as much as it was in the news and what it lead to?

It doesn't have to take malice, but it absolutely does take willful ignorance at the very least.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you asking if teenagers are stupid and ignorant? I think that's a big yes

Kids aren't born educated. Kids joked about 9/11 with gallows humor. I remember starcraft custom maps called twin tower defense. Obviously joking about 9/11 is insensitive to the families of people who died that day, right?

We aren't born with an understanding of what hurts others' feelings. People don't understand the historical context of anything. Basically teenagers are dumb and i don't know why you find that confusing

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

like she thought I have this really great asphyxiation joke, but I need a famously dead person to draw along with it?

"I need a famous dead person to draw with it. Hmm... how about that George Floyd. I was sad about his death, and it was wrong the police officer murdered him. But I really need to use his death for a joke. So sorry! BLM!"

Sounds totally logical to me.

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While I don't think we should destroy children for the rest of their lives for things they do unless they cross a line(Murder and the like), this is undeniably racist. She should absolutely face some sort of discipline and be given racial sensitivity training somewhere.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

you think she started from the premise of joking about anyone dying because they couldnt breathe and then George Floyd was the first example she thought of rather than starting from the premise of joking about George Floyd?

like she thought I have this really great asphyxiation joke, but I need a famously dead person to draw along with it?

I mean, is that really a joke you have to actually think hard to come up with? Not exactly one I'd expect someone to need to put a lot of thought into. The joke itself was probably a spur of the moment thought. I think you're giving the girl too much credit.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

TUM when the thing being accused is "not being sensitive to the ramifications of the statement you are making" then you can't say "it comes down to the intent of the message". The fact that the intent was oblivious to the ramifications is proof by itself.

That would be like if I got pulled over for driving recklessly and my excuse was "well my intent was to juggle three balls in one hand and solve a rubik's cube with my other hand and i just so happened to be on the highway at the time. How can I be guilty of driving recklessly if I did not intend to do so?"

It's completely beyond the pale to suggest you can't do anything wrong unless it is premeditated.

Is it possible for you to juggle three balls in one hand, solve a rubik's cube with your other and still not drive recklessly? If that's not possible for you, then I don't see that as a valid example. It is however possible for someone to make a breathing joke about George Floyd without it having to do with his race or what came about afterwords. As I said, just a stupid joke about breathing and he's the first person they thought of.

Since some people are going to suggest this, some already believe it, I'm again stating I'm not ok with what the person did, I'm not advocating for it, I'm not defending it. All I'm saying is I want proof that it's worse than how it looks to me at face value before saying it's worse than that. I don't think that in of itself is such a bad thing.

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The Utility Man posted...

Is it possible for you to juggle three balls in one hand, solve a rubik's cube with your other and still not drive recklessly? If that's not possible for you, then I don't see that as a valid example.

The problem here is...even if you -arent- driving recklessly, if an officer sees you juggling and trying to solve a rubiks cube, they should still pull you over.

(Because you are driving recklessly even if your driving has not been impacted)

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banananor posted...

Kids aren't born educated. Kids joked about 9/11 with gallows humor.

No, they aren't. They pick up a lot of things from their parents. This girl likely picked up her casual racism from her parents, who probably mocked George Floyd's death themselves. She probably thought it was okay because her parents did it. That doesn't make this 'not racist'. And she should absolutely face consequences for her actions. If she doesn't now, she will continue on the path her parents likely set her on.

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red13n posted...

The problem here is...even if you -arent- driving recklessly, if an officer sees you juggling and trying to solve a rubiks cube, they should still pull you over.

(Because you are driving recklessly even if your driving has not been impacted)

My point isn't whether people should have a problem with what you did, of course they should, they should even in the case of what this topic is about. My point is that if he knows in advance he can't do that, then he's planning to do something he knows will be reckless in advance, whereas the girl here very well could have just thought of the joke on the spur of the moment and did it without viewing it as anything more than a joke about not being able to breathe. In that case, we can say it was insensitive, but had nothing to do with race.

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I mean, is that really a joke you have to actually think hard to come up with? Not exactly one I'd expect someone to need to put a lot of thought into. The joke itself was probably a spur of the moment thought. I think you're giving the girl too much credit.

Im giving her no credit, I dont know where youre getting that. I think ha ha George Floyd doesnt have breath takes the least amount of thought, youre the one suggesting it was maybe a two step process.

actually, Im going to give her even less credit and say she probably didnt come up with the joke herself and just copied it from some edgy meme she saw online
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Dancedreamer posted...

No, they aren't. They pick up a lot of things from their parents. This girl likely picked up her casual racism from her parents, who probably mocked George Floyd's death themselves. She probably thought it was okay because her parents did it. That doesn't make this 'not racist'. And she should absolutely face consequences for her actions. If she doesn't now, she will continue on the path her parents likely set her on.

Let's wind this down, because you're not contradicting anything i said in this topic

It's pretty clear it's racially insensitive.

They made a joke about a current event, it was in bad taste. they should get the same punishment or education they'd get for a 9/11 joke

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Im giving her no credit, I dont know where youre getting that. I think ha ha George Floyd doesnt have breath takes the least amount of thought, youre the one suggesting it was maybe a two step process.

actually, Im going to give her even less credit and say she probably didnt come up with the joke herself and just copied it from some edgy meme she saw online

You're suggesting that she first set out to make a joke about George Floyd and came up with the breathing thing. I'm suggestion she came out with a spur of the moment stupid joke and he's the first person that came to mind.

Between the 2 of us, that would be you giving her more credit than me. I'm treating her like a dumb teen, you're treating her like someone that actually had to think of something racist to say.

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The Utility Man posted...

, whereas the girl here very well could have just thought of the joke on the spur of the moment and did it without viewing it as anything more than a joke about not being able to breathe.

And she made a racist joke with her lack of forethought.

Also maybe I had a different experience than everyone here, but I was a sophomore in HS for 9/11. It was a fucking terrifying experience. I didn't come across anyone that would have joked about it. Maybe it was different for those younger than me?

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red13n posted...

And she made a racist joke with her lack of forethought.

I was willing to give some leniency on the claim of racially insensitive even if I didn't agree, but I am 100% certain that I've seen no proof that it's racist. Racially insensitive and racist are not the same.

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The Utility Man posted...

It is however possible for someone to make a breathing joke about George Floyd without it having to do with his race or what came about afterwords.

If you believe this then you are not being racially sensitive or aware of the impact of those words and ideas.

The joke wasn't about George Floyd's astrological sign.

The joke wasn't about a physical feature that George Floyd had that caused him to be picked on in grade school.

The "joke" was about his death. You know, that one time where he was murdered by police officers. It was national news and used as an example of racial inequality. Those thoughts and those ideas are so intrinsically linked that you do not get to reference his death in a vacuum. And if you are attempting to reference his death in a vacuum without all the other "baggage" ruining your joke then I'm afraid you are guilty of being racially insensitive.

It literally could not be more clear cut.

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it's a full throttle topic y'all, don't give this low-grade shit stirrer what he wants
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You see no proof she 100% intended it to be racist, from what I understand.

The joke itself is racist regardless of this.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

If you believe this then you are not being racially sensitive or aware of the impact of those words and ideas.

The joke wasn't about George Floyd's astrological sign.

The joke wasn't about a physical feature that George Floyd had that caused him to new picked on in grade school.

The "joke" was about his death. You know, that one time where he was murdered by police officers. It was national news and used as an example of racial inequality. Those thoughts and those ideas are so intrinsically linked that you do not get to reference his death in a vacuum. And if you are attempting to reference his death in a vacuum without all the other "baggage" ruining your joke then I'm afraid you are guilty of being racially insensitive.

It literally could not be more clear cut.

I'm fully aware the joke was about his death, and I said I didn't think it was right and didn't like it. I will again mention that you can't have this both ways. Either you can separate the man from the movement, or you can't. If you can't, then you devalue him as a single individual person and I just won't do that. I also will not just assume this girls intent without proof, no matter how stupid she would have to be for it to just be a breathing joke and nothing more.

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red13n posted...

You see no proof she 100% intended it to be racist, from what I understand.

The joke itself is racist regardless of this.

I don't see where she intended it to be racist. If there's proof of that then and only then I will gladly admit I was wrong.

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The Utility Man posted...

I don't see where she intended it to be racist. If there's proof of that then and only then I will gladly admit I was wrong.

You almost got it.

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The Utility Man posted...

I also will not just assume this girls intent without proof

Her intent is not relevant. Get that thought into your skull if nothing else.

He'll, maybe she intended it to be a mathematical joke/reference and neither of us "got it". But even in that somehow-this-was-a-math-joke alternate reality it is still a racially insensitive sign to make.

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Because literally nobody would make that joke without understanding how it would be viewed as racist. Nobody is THAT dumb. If you're making a George Floyd "I can't breathe" joke, you got if from one of two places:

1. Having knowledge of his death and the circumstances surrounding it, since the way it was covered it's pretty much literally impossible to just "casually" know of it if you know anything at all. Either you know George Floyd died and you don't know the details, or you know how he died which means you know the details. Or you just don't know who George Floyd is at all if you literally live in a hole.
2. She stole some edgy meme she saw online, which you wouldn't do if you didn't know the context.

You're doing backflips here trying to find reasons that this girl just "innocently" made this joke, and there's just no way. It doesn't matter if she thought "Well I'll make this joke and be the one person to NOT be racist in making it!" The joke in itself is racist.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Her intent is not relevant. Get that thought into your skull if nothing else.

StealThisSheen posted...

You're doing backflips here trying to find reasons that this girl just "innocently" made this joke, and there's just no way.

I don't think I've claimed one time that she's innocent. Simply that I just don't see this as a racial thing. I don't know why so many of you are going out of your way to make it sound like I'm saying she did nothing wrong at all.

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Basically, you're trying to argue her intent matters because "She was just trying to make some cute dumb joke to ask some guy out and she thought 'Gee, I'll make a joke about this guy that died!'" is apparently something that happens in your world and it's cute and dumb? It's not. So if you want to argue intent, there's STILL no way to even try and argue her intent was innocent. So your own argument fails. But at the end of the day, the intent doesn't matter.

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I've never really understood the argument behind intent when it comes to racism. Intent is irrelevant when it comes to racism. It doesn't matter what you intended to do. What you did, is what matters.

If we were roommates, and I start playing frisbee with my best friend -- and we knock a bottle of soda that spills all over your laptop which contained the only copy of your thesis, destroying your laptop. Are you going to say "Oh well, you didn't intend to destroy my laptop by playing frisbee. So it's okay." By saying that I didn't INTEND to destroy your laptop, I'd be dismissing your issues, which in itself would be a problem as well. Just as it is here.

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