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g0ldie
02/22/21 12:55:24 PM
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..."piece of shit"

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/02/warner-bros-joss-whedon-justice-league-stupefying-1234618417/

With the release of Zack Snyders Justice League now under one month away from streaming on HBO Max, one Warner Bros. executive is holding nothing back about his thoughts on the theatrical release of the film that bombed with critics in November 2017. Snyder left Justice League in post-production due to a family tragedy, and Warner Bros. brought in Joss Whedon to oversee the films completion and to direct reshoots that lightened up Snyders bleak tone. The resulting Justice League theatrical cut was a critical and commercial failure for Warner Bros. Speaking anonymously to Vanity Fair, one studio executive said everyone at Warner Bros. knew Whedons Justice League was a bomb.

When we got to see what Joss actually did, it was stupefying, the Warner Bros. executive said. Everyone knew it. It was so awkward because nobody wanted to admit what a piece of shit it was.

Even before Snyder walked away from Justice League, the director was forced to battle Warner Bros. for creative control of the project. The studio dispatched DC Entertainment creative chief Geoff Johns and Warner Bros. co-production head Jon Berg to the production, where one of them would need to be on set every day monitoring Snyder and making sure the film wasnt becoming too dark for Warner Bros. liking.

You could say babysit, Snyder said to Vanity Fair about Johns and Bergs role on the film. It didnt bother me too much because they werent that threatening. I just felt the ideas they did have, where they were trying to inject humor and stuff like that, it wasnt anything that was too outrageous.

The studio also forced Snyder to cut out certain plot threads, including a proposed romance between Ben Afflecks Batman and Amy Adams Lois Lane, and forbid him to make a version of the movie longer than two hours.

How am I supposed to introduce six characters and an alien with potential for world domination in two hours? Snyder said. I mean, I can do it, it can be done. Clearly it was done. But I didnt see it.

To this day, Snyder has never seen Whedons Justice League cut. Deborah Snyder, Snyders producing partner and wife, saw a private screening of Whedons cut before the films release and advised Zack to stay away from Whedons version. Deborah told Vanity Fair, It was justits a weird experience. I dont know how many people have that experience. Youve worked on something for a long time, and then you leave, and then you see what happened to it.

Deborah Snyder watched Whedons Justice League cut with Christopher Nolan, Warner Bros. Dark Knight trilogy director and one of the executive producers of Snyders DC films. After the screening, Nolan and Deborah went to Zack with a clear message.

They came and they just said, You can never see that movie, Zack Snyder said.

Warner Bros. is set to stream Snyders four-hour Justice League on HBO Max starting on March 18. Head over to Vanity Fairs website to read Snyders interview in its entirety.


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Jagr_68
02/22/21 12:56:21 PM
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Read all this and more in DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHmagazine.com

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CommonJoe
02/22/21 12:57:17 PM
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Lol sounds like damage control years too late

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/22/21 12:59:29 PM
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Sorry but I'm still blaming the execs on this one. They brought in a polar opposite director from Zack Snyder to work on a film that was already mostly done.

And I'm almost positive he was brought on specifically because of his work on the Marvel movies.

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SSJKirby
02/22/21 1:00:33 PM
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Neither will be a good movie

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/22/21 1:02:19 PM
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Also here's an interesting tidbit:

g0ldie posted...
How am I supposed to introduce six characters and an alien with potential for world domination in two hours? Snyder said. I mean, I can do it, it can be done. Clearly it was done. But I didnt see it.


Remember when literally everybody was telling Warner Bros. that rushing into Justice League without doing any of the ground work that Marvel Studios did was a bad idea?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/22/21 1:03:51 PM
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Whedon is a proven director. The hiccup is definitely corporate meddling.
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DeadBankerDream
02/22/21 1:03:56 PM
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Why do these giant mega corporations keep getting surprised with the product produced by hundreds of people working under them? It's not like Joss Whedon just cut the movie together in his basement and handed it in. Hundreds of not thousands of visual effects artists works on, presumably several editors, there would have been a working script they could have consulted. And even ignoring that, when he handed it in and they saw it was fucking garbage, they had the option to not release it like that.

And it's not even that much worse than the usual Snyder DC faire, so I dunno where the high horse shit surrounding it comes from other than an attempt to sell more tickets for the new version by instilling in peoples' mind that it's so much better than the old shit they already paid for.
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archedsoul
02/22/21 1:05:21 PM
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Interesting that Snyder never saw Whedon's cut. Hope that's a good thing so everything is from him for his cut and it ends up how he wanted it before he left.

g0ldie posted...
where one of them would need to be on set every day monitoring Snyder and making sure the film wasnt becoming too dark for Warner Bros. liking.
This part is hilarious.

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Ellie95
02/22/21 1:07:13 PM
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It was Warner Bros that hired Joss Whedon because Snyder's cut was dogshit.
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Pus_N_Pecans
02/22/21 1:07:24 PM
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I'm never going to watch Justice League, but this is a real image from Snyder's version. Are we SURE Whedon's version is the worse of the two?


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DeadBankerDream
02/22/21 1:07:55 PM
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archedsoul posted...
Interesting that Snyder never saw Whedon's cut.

It's clearly a lie.
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Ellie95
02/22/21 1:07:55 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
Whedon is a fucking hack
Avengers 1 is better than anything Snyder will make in his lifetime.
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Tom Clark
02/22/21 1:07:58 PM
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I mean, we all know that Whedon's film was shit.

The thing is, I really doubt that Snyder's version will be anything other than shit, too.

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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:09:17 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also here's an interesting tidbit:

Remember when literally everybody was telling Warner Bros. that rushing into Justice League without doing any of the ground work that Marvel Studios did was a bad idea?

Everything was a bad idea and they did it anyway. Batman vs Superman started out as a Batman solo movie then they forced him to hamfist in Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. Zack also had plans for Man of Steel 2 and that never happened.

Would the movies have been good? IDK probably not the level people were expecting but they would have definitely been better than what we got.

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Doom_Art
02/22/21 1:09:23 PM
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Tom Clark posted...
I mean, we all know that Whedon's film was shit.

The thing is, I really doubt that Snyder's version will be anything other than shit, too.
If nothing else, the Snyder cut will be really interesting.

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Smashingpmkns
02/22/21 1:09:43 PM
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Gonna be real funny when Snyder's version is just as bad or worse. When your two main ingredients to make a sandwich are shit and piss you're gonna end up with a shit and piss sandwich no matter how you dress it.
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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:11:16 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Gonna be real funny when Snyder's version is just as bad or worse. When your two main ingredients to make a sandwich are shit and piss you're gonna end up with a shit and piss sandwich no matter how you dress it.
I'll take a plain shit and piss sandwich over one that's dressed in vomit

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CommonStar
02/22/21 1:13:21 PM
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Might that be Jim Lee?
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SK8T3R215
02/22/21 1:13:34 PM
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Capeshit is gonna be capeshit no matter who directs it

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alphagamble
02/22/21 1:14:52 PM
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I'll wait for the Whedon cut of the Snyder cut

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Doom_Art
02/22/21 1:15:46 PM
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SK8T3R215 posted...
Capeshit is gonna be capeshit no matter who directs it
This is weird lol

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Jagr_68
02/22/21 1:15:55 PM
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...
I'm never going to watch Justice League, but this is a real image from Snyder's version. Are we SURE Whedon's version is the worse of the two?

No...no, this cannot be fucking real
https://giphy.com/gifs/tu54GM19sqJOw/html5

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J03can
02/22/21 1:16:13 PM
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why are we still talking about this stupid, shitty movie.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/22/21 1:16:27 PM
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You know you fucked up when you use the fucking Joker for Jesus imagery

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Smashingpmkns
02/22/21 1:16:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I'll take a plain shit and piss sandwich over one that's dressed in vomit

Plain shit and piss sandwich is a footlong and the vomit shit and piss sandwich is a 6 inch. Things start to balance out.
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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:17:47 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Might that be Jim Lee?
I don't think Jim Lee is an executive.

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Tom Clark
02/22/21 1:18:08 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Gonna be real funny when Snyder's version is just as bad or worse.

It's true that the film will no longer be an awkward mash-up of two fundamentally incompatible writing and directing styles, but I really don't think that "take a film everyone hated, and add more of the stuff that everyone hated about the films leading up to it" is going to be a winning formula.

But I suppose like Doom_Art says, it will be interesting to see what the differences are, if only on an academic level.

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DarkChozoGhost
02/22/21 1:18:24 PM
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Snyder hand picked Whedon to take over for him, it wasn't the studio.

Also, this just sounds like promotional material for the Snyder cut, I doubt this "anonymous executive" is talking about the real atmosphere of the production set

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Ellie95
02/22/21 1:19:21 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
You know you fucked up when you use the fucking Joker for Jesus imagery
I guess he got tired of using Superman as Jesus imagery
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lolife67
02/22/21 1:21:20 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Snyder hand picked Whedon to take over for him, it wasn't the studio.
Wait, is there a source for this? Because Snyder (and his fans) has been crapping all over Whedon about his version for awhile now.
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CommonStar
02/22/21 1:21:29 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Snyder hand picked Whedon to take over for him, it wasn't the studio.
No, he really did not. Read the article.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut

Reports that Snyder himself asked Whedon for help were false. Johns, one of the studio-appointed babysitters, had been planning a Batgirl movie with Whedon, and Snyder and others say Johns recruited him to do rewrites for Justice League. (Johnss representatives didnt respond to a request for comment.) Once again, Snyder was gracious and even hopeful: I thought maybe he could write some cool scenes. I thought that would be fun.
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Caroniver
02/22/21 1:26:42 PM
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CommonJoe posted...
Lol sounds like damage control years too late
"Oh, yeah, btw, give us money for Snyder's cut. The one we released was awful. Wasn't it so bad? Horrendous. Watch the new one."

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

How could a hack make Doctor Horrible.

Pus_N_Pecans posted...
I'm never going to watch Justice League, but this is a real image from Snyder's version. Are we SURE Whedon's version is the worse of the two?
I'm gonna admit I never watched Justice League. Was Joker even in it, or is he only in the reshoots?

DeadBankerDream posted...
It's clearly a lie.
Yeah. This is some weird spin to make it seem like the new cut will be "untainted" by the issues of the original cut.


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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:29:36 PM
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Caroniver posted...
I'm gonna admit I never watched Justice League. Was Joker even in it, or is he only in the reshoots?
He's in it for 5 seconds.


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Rapid99
02/22/21 1:30:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I'll take a plain shit and piss sandwich over one that's dressed in vomit

For this metaphor to be accurate, the shit and piss (and possibly vomit too) sandwich is twice as big as the vomit one.

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Caroniver
02/22/21 1:31:09 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
He's in it for 5 seconds.
Damn they really wanted to preempt Infinity War with as little time as possible, huh.

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Gobstoppers12
02/22/21 1:33:04 PM
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g0ldie posted...
After the screening, Nolan and Deborah went to Zack with a clear message.

They came and they just said, You can never see that movie, Zack Snyder said.
Lol, good advice. Based on the Snyder Cut trailers alone, Whedon mutilated the characters and the tone.

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Gobstoppers12
02/22/21 1:34:23 PM
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Caroniver posted...
Damn they really wanted to preempt Infinity War with as little time as possible, huh.
He wasn't in the Whedon cut, and even his new scenes were shot fresh, recently, for the Snyder Cut.

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Ellie95
02/22/21 1:34:27 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Lol, good advice. Based on the Snyder Cut trailers alone, Whedon mutilated the characters and the tone.
Snyder already mutilated Superman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday, and Batman.
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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:36:14 PM
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Ellie95 posted...
Snyder already mutilated Superman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday, and Batman.
The Snyder version for the origin of Doomsday is less dumb than the canon comics version honestly.

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WingsOfGood
02/22/21 1:37:04 PM
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Probably a comedy with and endless barrage of bad jokes.
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Gobstoppers12
02/22/21 1:38:00 PM
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Ellie95 posted...
Snyder already mutilated Superman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday, and Batman.
He has his own perspective on them, like countless writers before, and since. It's specifically an issue because Whedon took that specific universe, with those specific versions of the characters, and turned them into something else partway through the story.

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Wedge Antilles
02/22/21 1:38:28 PM
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I can't wait for the Snyder cut to come out and be a giant turd.

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Gobstoppers12
02/22/21 1:39:17 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Probably a comedy with and endless barrage of bad jokes.
Funny you should say that. The bad jokes are almost as bad as the bad "serious" dialogue.

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Tyranthraxus
02/22/21 1:39:27 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
He has his own perspective on them, like countless writers before, and since. It's specifically an issue because Whedon took that specific universe, with those specific versions of the characters, and turned them into something else partway through the story.

This is the problem that ruined the original marvel civil war comics BTW.

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CommonJoe
02/22/21 1:42:03 PM
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His movies are fucking trash too.

Nah.

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BuckVanHammer
02/22/21 1:43:38 PM
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this is just marketing...

not gonna work. new cut will certainly be shit.

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