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Antifar 02/19/21 4:22:27 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/world/europe/france-universities-culture-wars.html Stepping up its attacks on social science theories that it says threaten France, the French government announced this week that it would launch an investigation into academic research that it says feeds Islamo-leftist tendencies that corrupt society. News of the investigation immediately caused a fierce backlash among university presidents and scholars, deepening fears of a crackdown on academic freedom especially on studies of race, gender, post-colonial studies and other fields that the French government says have been imported from American universities and contribute to undermining French society. While President Emmanuel Macron and some of his top ministers have spoken out forcefully against what they see as a destabilizing influence from American campuses in recent months, the announcement marked the first time that the government has moved to take action. It came as Frances lower house of Parliament passed a draft law against Islamism, an ideology it views as encouraging terrorist attacks, and as Mr. Macron tilts further to the right, anticipating nationalist challenges ahead of elections next year. Frdrique Vidal, the minister of higher education, said in Parliament on Tuesday that the state-run National Center for Scientific Research would oversee an investigation into the totality of research underway in our country, singling out post-colonialism. In an earlier television interview, Ms. Vidal said the investigation would focus on Islamo-leftism a controversial term embraced by some of Mr. Macrons leading ministers to accuse left-leaning intellectuals of justifying Islamism and even terrorism. Islamo-leftism corrupts all of society and universities are not impervious, Ms. Vidal said, adding that some scholars were advancing radical and activist ideas. Referring also to scholars of race and gender, Ms. Vidal accused them of always looking at everything through the prism of their will to divide, to fracture, to pinpoint the enemy. France has since early last century defined itself as a secular state devoted to the ideal that all of its citizens are the same under the law, to the extent that the government keeps no statistics on ethnicity and religion. A newly diversifying society, and the lasting marginalization of immigrants mostly from its former colonies, has tested those precepts. Calls for greater awareness of discrimination have met opposition from a political establishment that often views them as an invitation to American multiculturalism and as a threat to Frances identity and social cohesion. In unusually blunt language, the academic world rejected the governments accusations. The Conference of University Presidents on Tuesday dismissed Islamo-leftism as a pseudo notion popularized by the far right, chiding the governments discourse as talking rubbish. The National Center for Scientific Research, the state organization that the minister ordered to oversee the investigation, suggested on Wednesday that it would comply, but it said it firmly condemned attacks on academic freedom. The organization said it especially condemned attempts to delegitimize different fields of research, like post-colonial studies, intersectional studies and research on race. Opposition by academics hardened on Thursday, when the association that would actually carry out the investigation, Athna, put out a sharply worded statement saying that it was not its responsibility to conduct the inquiry. The seemingly esoteric fight over social science theories which has made the front page of at least three of Frances major newspapers in recent days points to a larger culture war in France that has been punctuated in the past year by mass protests over racism and police violence, competing visions of feminism, and explosive debates over Islam and Islamism. It also follows years of attacks, large and small, by Islamist terrorists, that have killed more than 250 French, including in recent months three people at a basilica in Nice and a teacher who was beheaded. While the culture war is being played out in the media and in politics, it has its roots in Frances universities. In recent years, a new, more diverse generation of social science scholars has embraced studies of race, gender and post-colonialism as tools to understand a nation that has often been averse to reflect on its history or on subjects like race and racism. They have clashed with an older generation of intellectuals who regard these social science theories as American imports though many of the thinkers behind race, gender and post-colonialism are French or of other nationalities. Mr. Macron, who had shown little interest in the issues in the past, has won over many conservatives in recent months by coming down hard against what he has called certain social science theories entirely imported from the United States. In a major speech on Islamism last fall, Mr. Macron talked of children or grandchildren of Arab and African immigrants revisiting their identity through a post-colonial or anticolonial discourse falling into a trap set by people who use this discourse as a form of self-hatred nurtured against France. In recent months, Mr. Macron has moved further to the right as part of a strategy to draw support from his likely main challenger in next years presidential election, Marine Le Pen, the far-right leader. Polls show that Mr. Macrons edge has shrunk over Ms. Le Pen, who was his main rival in the last election. Chlo Morin, a public opinion expert at the Fondation Jean-Jaurs, a Paris-based research group, said that Mr. Macrons political base has completely shifted to the right and that his ministers use of the expression Islamo-leftism speaks to the right-wing electorate. It has perhaps become one of the most effective terms for discrediting an opponent, Ms. Morin said. Last fall, Mr. Macrons ministers adopted a favorite expression of the far right, ensauvagement, or turning savage, to decry supposedly out-of-control crime even though the governments own statistics showed that crime was actually flat or declining. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:950845095] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/world/europe/france-universities-culture-wars.html <quote>Stepping up its attacks on social science theories that it says threaten France, the French government announced this week that it would launch an investigation into academic research that it says feeds Islamo-leftist tendencies that corrupt society. News of the investigation immediately caused a fierce backlash among university presidents and scholars, deepening fears of a crackdown on academic freedom especially on studies of race, gender, post-colonial studies and other fields that the French government says have been imported from American universities and contribute to undermining French society. While President Emmanuel Macron and some of his top ministers have spoken out forcefully against what they see as a destabilizing influence from American campuses in recent months, the announcement marked the first time that the government has moved to take action. It came as Frances lower house of Parliament passed a draft law against Islamism, an ideology it views as encouraging terrorist attacks, and as Mr. Macron tilts further to the right, anticipating nationalist challenges ahead of elections next year. Frdrique Vidal, the minister of higher education, said in Parliament on Tuesday that the state-run National Center for Scientific Research would oversee an investigation into the totality of research underway in our country, singling out post-colonialism. In an earlier television interview, Ms. Vidal said the investigation would focus on Islamo-leftism a controversial term embraced by some of Mr. Macrons leading ministers to accuse left-leaning intellectuals of justifying Islamism and even terrorism. Islamo-leftism corrupts all of society and universities are not impervious, Ms. Vidal said, adding that some scholars were advancing radical and activist ideas. Referring also to scholars of race and gender, Ms. Vidal accused them of always looking at everything through the prism of their will to divide, to fracture, to pinpoint the enemy. France has since early last century defined itself as a secular state devoted to the ideal that all of its citizens are the same under the law, to the extent that the government keeps no statistics on ethnicity and religion. A newly diversifying society, and the lasting marginalization of immigrants mostly from its former colonies, has tested those precepts. Calls for greater awareness of discrimination have met opposition from a political establishment that often views them as an invitation to American multiculturalism and as a threat to Frances identity and social cohesion. In unusually blunt language, the academic world rejected the governments accusations. The Conference of University Presidents on Tuesday dismissed Islamo-leftism as a pseudo notion popularized by the far right, chiding the governments discourse as talking rubbish. The National Center for Scientific Research, the state organization that the minister ordered to oversee the investigation, suggested on Wednesday that it would comply, but it said it firmly condemned attacks on academic freedom. The organization said it especially condemned attempts to delegitimize different fields of research, like post-colonial studies, intersectional studies and research on race. Opposition by academics hardened on Thursday, when the association that would actually carry out the investigation, Athna, put out a sharply worded statement saying that it was not its responsibility to conduct the inquiry. The seemingly esoteric fight over social science theories which has made the front page of at least three of Frances major newspapers in recent days points to a larger culture war in France that has been punctuated in the past year by mass protests over racism and police violence, competing visions of feminism, and explosive debates over Islam and Islamism. It also follows years of attacks, large and small, by Islamist terrorists, that have killed more than 250 French, including in recent months three people at a basilica in Nice and a teacher who was beheaded. While the culture war is being played out in the media and in politics, it has its roots in Frances universities. In recent years, a new, more diverse generation of social science scholars has embraced studies of race, gender and post-colonialism as tools to understand a nation that has often been averse to reflect on its history or on subjects like race and racism. They have clashed with an older generation of intellectuals who regard these social science theories as American imports though many of the thinkers behind race, gender and post-colonialism are French or of other nationalities. Mr. Macron, who had shown little interest in the issues in the past, has won over many conservatives in recent months by coming down hard against what he has called certain social science theories entirely imported from the United States. In a major speech on Islamism last fall, Mr. Macron talked of children or grandchildren of Arab and African immigrants revisiting their identity through a post-colonial or anticolonial discourse falling into a trap set by people who use this discourse as a form of self-hatred nurtured against France. In recent months, Mr. Macron has moved further to the right as part of a strategy to draw support from his likely main challenger in next years presidential election, Marine Le Pen, the far-right leader. Polls show that Mr. Macrons edge has shrunk over Ms. Le Pen, who was his main rival in the last election. Chlo Morin, a public opinion expert at the Fondation Jean-Jaurs, a Paris-based research group, said that Mr. Macrons political base has completely shifted to the right and that his ministers use of the expression Islamo-leftism speaks to the right-wing electorate. It has perhaps become one of the most effective terms for discrediting an opponent, Ms. Morin said. Last fall, Mr. Macrons ministers adopted a favorite expression of the far right, ensauvagement, or turning savage, to decry supposedly out-of-control crime even though the governments own statistics showed that crime was actually flat or declining.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broseph_Stalin 02/19/21 4:24:54 PM #3:	every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:950845192] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/19/21 4:26:22 PM #4:	I am so fucking tired of hearing about national identities. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950845255] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>I am so fucking tired of hearing about national identities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 02/19/21 4:27:20 PM #5:	France should just say far left, intersectional leftism, or authoritarian socialist all correctly identify the issue, not Islamo leftism, because it wasn't caused by Muslims but crazy, predominately rich and white liberals. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:950845292] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>France should just say far left, intersectional leftism, or authoritarian socialist all correctly identify the issue, not Islamo leftism, because it wasn't caused by Muslims but crazy, predominately rich and white liberals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/19/21 4:29:59 PM #6:	ImAMarvel posted... MAN that is some scary fascist bullshit right there. Absolutely is. Fucking appalling. As is all of Macron's effort to move rightwards to get support from the Nazis. --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950845390] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>MAN that is some scary fascist bullshit right there.</quote>Absolutely is. Fucking appalling. As is all of Macron's effort to move rightwards to get support from the Nazis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 02/19/21 4:30:21 PM #7:	Starting to feel like Macron vs. Le Pen was merely choosing which color of fascism you wanted. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:950845410] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Starting to feel like Macron vs. Le Pen was merely choosing which color of fascism you wanted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nothanks1 02/19/21 4:31:20 PM #8:	good surprised after the islamic terrorist attacks it wasn't looked into right away --- for the alcohlics https://www.aa.org/ <cite>nothanks1 posted [p:950845447] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>good surprised after the islamic terrorist attacks it wasn't looked into right away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/19/21 4:34:09 PM #9:	Seems really bad. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:950845554] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Seems really bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/19/21 4:35:09 PM #10:	Fascist movements love to co-opt the issues being pushed by their equivalents in other countries. The UK borrowed the "campus hysteria" rhetoric from the US, and now France is doing the same. --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950845590] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Fascist movements love to co-opt the issues being pushed by their equivalents in other countries. The UK borrowed the "campus hysteria" rhetoric from the US, and now France is doing the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 02/19/21 4:35:15 PM #11:	RebelElite791 posted... Absolutely is. Fucking appalling. As is all of Macron's effort to move rightwards to get support from the Nazis. why is he doing it? Is he afraid of losing to Le Pen in the future? --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:950845592] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>Absolutely is. Fucking appalling. As is all of Macron's effort to move rightwards to get support from the Nazis.</quote> why is he doing it? Is he afraid of losing to Le Pen in the future? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/19/21 4:36:47 PM #12:	SPE posted... why is he doing it? Is he afraid of losing to Le Pen in the future? He's never been the progressive icon he was painted as when he won the election by liberals in France or particularly abroad, but it does seem like he's been moving either further right, particularly as part of trying to gain support from that side. Who knows how much he actually believes, but that's ultimately irrelevant. --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950845635] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>SPE posted... </cite> <quote>why is he doing it? Is he afraid of losing to Le Pen in the future?</quote>He's never been the progressive icon he was painted as when he won the election by liberals in France or particularly abroad, but it does seem like he's been moving either further right, particularly as part of trying to gain support from that side. Who knows how much he actually believes, but that's ultimately irrelevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/19/21 4:37:07 PM #13:	Sounds like a mashing of buzzwords to me Smalls like McCarthy to me --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950845645] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like a mashing of buzzwords to me Smalls like McCarthy to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 02/19/21 4:37:16 PM #14:	COVxy posted... Seems really bad. Only the name is bad in this case (also misleading, then there's the fact I'm just sick of rhetoric in general), the policy is fine, screw the far left. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:950845653] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Seems really bad. </quote> Only the name is bad in this case (also misleading, then there's the fact I'm just sick of rhetoric in general), the policy is fine, screw the far left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/19/21 4:37:19 PM #15:	Hop103 posted... France should just say far left, intersectional leftism, or authoritarian socialist all correctly identify the issue, not Islamo leftism, because it wasn't caused by Muslims but crazy, predominately rich and white liberals. Identify which issue? Because it's seems the fucking issue is far-right populists gaining power and deliberately sowing cultural wars. Where are all these rich liberal, but also far-left socialists that have gained so much power that they are literally destroying the West? All this divisive "us vs. them, save our national identity" rhetoric in the mainstream is coming from one type of right-wing politician. Even if you are dumb enough to believe there are "two sides" and you hate both of them, they are absolutely not the same. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950845655] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>France should just say far left, intersectional leftism, or authoritarian socialist all correctly identify the issue, not Islamo leftism, because it wasn't caused by Muslims but crazy, predominately rich and white liberals.</quote>Identify which issue? Because it's seems the fucking issue is far-right populists gaining power and deliberately sowing cultural wars. Where are all these rich liberal, but also far-left socialists that have gained so much power that they are literally destroying the West? All this divisive "us vs. them, save our national identity" rhetoric in the mainstream is coming from one type of right-wing politician. Even if you are dumb enough to believe there are "two sides" and you hate both of them, they are absolutely not the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/19/21 4:38:51 PM #16:	hockeybub89 posted... Identify which issue? Because it's seems the fucking issue is far-right populists gaining power and deliberately sowing cultural wars. Where are all these rich liberal, but also far-left socialists that have gained so much power that they are literally destroying the West? All this divisive "us vs. them, save our national identity" rhetoric in the mainstream is coming from one type of right-wing politician. Even if you are dumb enough to believe there are "two sides" and you hate both of them, they are absolutely not the same. Hop is one of the biggest far-right shitposters on this board, don't bother. --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950845711] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Identify which issue? Because it's seems the fucking issue is far-right populists gaining power and deliberately sowing cultural wars. Where are all these rich liberal, but also far-left socialists that have gained so much power that they are literally destroying the West? All this divisive "us vs. them, save our national identity" rhetoric in the mainstream is coming from one type of right-wing politician. Even if you are dumb enough to believe there are "two sides" and you hate both of them, they are absolutely not the same.</quote>Hop is one of the biggest far-right shitposters on this board, don't bother. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 02/19/21 4:39:54 PM #17:	Hasnt France been hilariously bad at integrating minorities? apparently they have huge ghettos because French-born offsprings of black immigrants are still not seen as real French people even two or three generations down the line. --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:950845746] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Hasnt France been hilariously bad at integrating minorities? apparently they have huge ghettos because French-born offsprings of black immigrants are still not seen as real French people even two or three generations down the line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/19/21 4:40:21 PM #18:	Hop103 posted... Only the name is bad in this case (also misleading, then there's the fact I'm just sick of rhetoric in general), the policy is fine, screw the far left. Having a right-wing initiative to actively monitor and suppress academic research is bad. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:950845766] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>Only the name is bad in this case (also misleading, then there's the fact I'm just sick of rhetoric in general), the policy is fine, screw the far left.</quote> Having a right-wing initiative to actively monitor and suppress academic research is bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/19/21 4:41:42 PM #19:	Also, pinning this on Muslims definitely won't foster feelings of mistrust and resentment amongst the Muslim population, making them easy prey for terrorist scum at all --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950845817] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Also, pinning this on Muslims definitely won't foster feelings of mistrust and resentment amongst the Muslim population, making them easy prey for terrorist scum at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 02/19/21 4:42:18 PM #20:	Broseph_Stalin posted... every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao --- Each night, when I go to sleep, I die. <cite>David1988 posted [p:950845847] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/19/21 4:43:42 PM #21:	France of all places should know better but then again they did just roll over the first time >_> <cite>Axiom posted [p:950845900] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>France of all places should know better but then again they did just roll over the first time >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 02/19/21 4:45:20 PM #22:	Ironic that the country that produced Derrida and Foucault, the literal founders of deconstructionism and critical theory, is now claiming these are "imported from american universities." --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:950845968] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Ironic that the country that produced Derrida and Foucault, the literal founders of deconstructionism and critical theory, is now claiming these are "imported from american universities." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/19/21 4:46:11 PM #23:	RebelElite791 posted... Hop is one of the biggest far-right shitposters on this board, don't bother. I know. Just thing it's weird how right-wing politicians and the media say things directly and it's "not what they meant out/taken out of context/not so bad when you think about it" But a left-wing politicians talks about unity or is as boring/milquetoast possible and it's "You have to read between the lines. What they really mean is they'll take us out if we don't take them out first." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950846002] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>Hop is one of the biggest far-right shitposters on this board, don't bother.</quote>I know. Just thing it's weird how right-wing politicians and the media say things directly and it's "not what they meant out/taken out of context/not so bad when you think about it" But a left-wing politicians talks about unity or is as boring/milquetoast possible and it's "You have to read between the lines. What they really mean is they'll take us out if we don't take them out first." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 02/19/21 4:51:40 PM #26:	David1988 posted... every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao A crazy right doesn't mean the left in Europe is right of Democrats. Republicans and Fox News would literally explode about the most Far-Left commies that ever commied taking over America. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are radical socialists to them. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950846241] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>every time you read something like this remember that there are people who genuinely believe Democrats would be center-right in Europe lmao</quote>A crazy right doesn't mean the left in Europe is right of Democrats. Republicans and Fox News would literally explode about the most Far-Left commies that ever commied taking over America. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are radical socialists to them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 02/19/21 4:55:19 PM #27:	Starting to think this Macron character is bad news! --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:950846374] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Starting to think this Macron character is bad news! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 02/19/21 4:57:56 PM #28:	Wow, I don't particularly like Macron based upon what I know of him, but I didn't expect this trash from his regime. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:950846491] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Wow, I don't particularly like Macron based upon what I know of him, but I didn't expect this trash from his regime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 02/19/21 5:01:17 PM #29:	hockeybub89 posted... A crazy right doesn't mean the left in Europe is right of Democrats. What left in Europe lol? Conservatives have governed Germany for like 20 years. Old Labour hasn't won an election in the UK in 40 years. This French election will come down to a centrist and a white nationalist. The less you know about Italy the better. Progressives have this dreamed up version of Europe in their heads where they've successfully implemented all their own policies and Bernie is a moderate. It doesn't exist. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:950846621] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>A crazy right doesn't mean the left in Europe is right of Democrats.</quote> What left in Europe lol? Conservatives have governed Germany for like 20 years. Old Labour hasn't won an election in the UK in 40 years. This French election will come down to a centrist and a white nationalist. The less you know about Italy the better. Progressives have this dreamed up version of Europe in their heads where they've successfully implemented all their own policies and Bernie is a moderate. It doesn't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/19/21 8:41:55 PM #30:	Well, this sucks shit --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:950855077] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Well, this sucks shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/19/21 8:50:48 PM #31:	Says he doesn't want to import "American Ideals" Uses American far right ideals. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:950855403] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Says he doesn't want to import "American Ideals" Uses American far right ideals. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/20/21 12:48:32 AM #32:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Conservatives have governed Germany for like 20 years. And are a far cry from Republicans Besides, I distinctly remember this whole board telling me that Merkel wasn't a 'true' conservative because of her decision to let the refugees in --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950862249] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives have governed Germany for like 20 years.</quote> And are a far cry from Republicans Besides, I distinctly remember this whole board telling me that Merkel wasn't a 'true' conservative because of her decision to let the refugees in </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/20/21 1:11:27 AM #34:	s0nicfan posted... Ironic that the country that produced Derrida and Foucault, the literal founders of deconstructionism and critical theory, is now claiming these are "imported from american universities." Good post --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950862683] in French gov... [t:79305581]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Ironic that the country that produced Derrida and Foucault, the literal founders of deconstructionism and critical theory, is now claiming these are "imported from american universities."</quote>Good post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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