Current Events > It's sad that America, the bastion of democracy, is the least democratic country

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in North America. The vast majority of people on both sides really don't get their voice represented because the system is designed to only support the two parties.

We arent a democracy.

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Yeah but Republicans abuse it to the fullest they're always holding our society back to fit their views

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I'm fairly sure there's less democratic countries than the US.

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Before the federal goverment had as much power as it does not states were islands onto themselves that made their own rules and regulations for the most part. Which could be either good or bad but didn't matter ultimately when you could just vote with your feet and leave.

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Godnorgosh posted...

"Bastion of democracy" lol, is that what people tell themselves

As in, what the country is supposed to be, lol. Obviously not what it is.

lets compare it to the UK, where the multi party system and first past the post voting style means that politicians get into office with ~30% of the vote...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I

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Prismsblade posted...

Before the federal goverment had as much power as it does not states were islands onto themselves that made their own rules and regulations for the most part. Which could be either good or bad but didn't matter ultimately when you could just vote with your feet and leave.

No it was pretty much just bad and nearly collapsed the country to the point where people wanted to go crawling back to the British.

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Mareen posted...

I'm fairly sure there's less democratic countries than the US.

Not in NA.

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No, it really isn't. The approval rating for any given president is pretty low, because our voting system is horribly outdated and doesn't represent anyone that doesn't align with the two parties. We need a ranked voting system.

CommonJoe posted...

We arent a democracy.

this shit must become moddable.

the Alt right / Q launder their bullshit ideas into the mainstream by making people parrot their next big lie.

one of their newer attempts is to say America was never a democracy, it a republic. Both are not opposite to each other, and America is both.

theyre trying to launder this dumb idea because the GOP wants to get rid of the Democratic system, since demographics arent on their side

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monkmith posted...

lets compare it to the UK, where the multi party system and first past the post voting style means that politicians get into office with ~30% of the vote...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I

US uses first past the post voting as well.

SPE posted...

this shit must become moddable.

the Alt right / Q launder their bullshit ideas into the mainstream by making people parrot their next big lie.

one of their newer attempts is to say America was never a democracy, it a republic. Both are not opposite to each other, and America is both.

theyre trying to launder this dumb idea because the GOP wants to get rid of the Democratic system, since demographics arent on their side

It's not (just) Q saying this. The elected senators are saying it themselves. They were the ones to start saying it first even.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

US uses first past the post voting as well.

yes, and?

point being, that just allowing more parties doesn't make the system more fair.

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monkmith posted...

yes, and?

point being, that just allowing more parties doesn't make the system more fair.

Which is why I was suggesting ranked voting, not just more parties.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No it was pretty much just bad and nearly collapsed the country to the point where people wanted to go crawling back to the British.

People want to crawl back to them now.

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Prismsblade posted...

People want to crawl back to them now.

Probably a lot less than ~5 years ago or so because of Brexit.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

The approval rating for any given president is pretty low,

Obama's was like 60 percent upon leaving office.

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SPE posted...

this shit must become moddable.

the Alt right / Q launder their bullshit ideas into the mainstream by making people parrot their next big lie.

one of their newer attempts is to say America was never a democracy, it a republic. Both are not opposite to each other, and America is both.

theyre trying to launder this dumb idea because the GOP wants to get rid of the Democratic system, since demographics arent on their side

I know youre probably new to caring about politics kiddo but people across the spectrum have recognized that the US is not a democracy for years, decades in fact.

And it isnt a republic either for that matter. Its a supposed to be a democratic republic (which is not the same as being "both" btw), but in practice is more of a soft oligarchy.

Moreover, it has to be stressed that this in the context of the federal government; state and local governments often are truly democratic and representative democratic ones, but those governments arent relevant when discussing the governing of the country as a single entity, ie, the federal perspective.

And even disregading all the semantic issues, the fact remains that whatever the US is, at a federal level it is highly dysfunctional (and arguably non-functional, given that the Senate just outright failed to hold Trump accountable for treason) and it is not just the result of mask-off Republicans. What the last four years exposed about the federal are things that have been there well before Trump ever came down the elevator.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

It's not (just) Q saying this. The elected senators are saying it themselves. They were the ones to start saying it first even.

they know demographics are not on their side and are trying to ease us into a different, un-Democratic system, its fucked up

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SPE posted...

they know demographics are not on their side and are trying to ease us into a different, un-Democratic system

By way of abusing their powers within our supposedly Democratic system.

The few obviously illegal things are nothing compared to the stuff thats straight up legal.

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CommonJoe posted...

I know youre probably new to caring about politics kiddo but people across the spectrum have recognized that the US is not a democracy for years, decades in fact.

And it isnt a republic either for that matter. Its a supposed to be a democratic republic (which is not the same as being "both" btw), but in practice is more of a soft oligarchy.

Moreover, it has to be stressed that this in the context of the federal government; state and local governments often are truly democratic and representative democratic ones, but those governments arent relevant when discussing the governing of the country as a single entity, ie, the federal perspective.

And even disregading all the semantic issues, the fact remains that whatever the US is, at a federal level it is highly dysfunctional (and arguably non-functional, given that the Senate just outright failed to hold Trump accountable for treason) and it is not just the result of mask-off Republicans. What the last four years exposed about the federal are things that have been there well before Trump ever came down the elevator.

look gramps, calling me kiddo wont make you look better. Even your priest-emperor says there is an American democracy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SvSYNIu8LQE

oopsie! Try to launder alt right talking points somewhere else

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Nah we have more democracy than Cuba

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There's a lot of mythology going around when it comes to American history.

Aside from foreign meddling over the years, America has only been a "true" democracy since the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Before that it was centuries worth of systemic racial terrorism and repression.

We have Republicans trying to take the teeth out of the VRA because black voters have been decisive in certain cities across the south and Midwest.

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BilalPowell posted...

Nah we have more democracy than Cuba

This reminds me of Donald Trump Axiom interview "we're doing better than... The world"

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SPE posted...

look gramps

Im 28

SPE posted...

calling me kiddo wont make you look better

That isnt the point of calling you a kid.

SPE posted...

Even your priest-emperor says there is an American democracy:

1. Imagine calling an anarchist a Trumper.
2. Imagine trying to cite Trump about what our government is. Fucking lol.

SPE posted...

oopsie! Try to launder alt right talking points somewhere else

Horseshoe theory is nonsense buddy try again.

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Im just glad we have some freedoms left in America. Thankfully we are not China. Over there where there is no freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of internet, or freedom of sexuality. In china you can be put in prison or disappear if you disrespect the government or flag. Imagine if America had that same thing, about 100 million people would had been arrested for disrespecting trump (or now Biden).