Poll of the Day > would you date a racist person?

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MeteoricBurst
02/15/21 7:50:04 AM
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Soup_or_Science posted...
I see... I actually missed this post

I am very white skinned, quite pale, but as far as ethnicity goes - and forgive me if I explain it sloppily for lack of extensive knowledge - My mom's side of the family is Puerto Rican. Her grandparents (my great grandparents) both from Puerto Rico. Her father I believe is what one refers to as Louisiana French? Or Creole? I don't know, I always get confused about it - But he is a lighter skinned black man from Louisiana - who was not in her, or my own life, for the greater part of it. We had to "rediscover" him after she finally came around and told the story - I faintly remember her finally coming forward about the origins, she kind of paused and she was like "and he, is actually...." and i was like

"black?"

"Yes"

Which I mean is kind of a "DUH." thing since I grew up with a black cousin/uncle.

So anyway, she came out light skinned (i just figured we were white people with Puerto Rican origins), and her brother came out dark ("black"), and then she has another brother from a different guy (same mom) who was German but that's another branch.

So my dad's side is whatever flavor of Caucasian they happen to be, white people country folks, I hear maybe his dad has Polish, there are even stories about pirates and I'm not really sure, but his mom is also from Louisiana I believe. And we are from Texas.

I did some of that ancestry.com digging stuff and to no surprise (but a bit of a revelation), there were slave owners on my dad's side of the family

And with another thing to note, his grandpa, my great grandpa, they say, was a Freemason! Which might have something to do with why my life is so weird, but I would have no idea because obviously, I don't know much about it/them, except for the fact that the idea of secret societies weirds me the hell out.

So the roots are kind of all over the place, but that's the gist of it

Hispanic, black, white, it's kind of a tossup

Oh right, those weren't the only children, she has at least two other black siblings, by her dad, but not by her mom, as far as I can remember.

I've told all this stuff at least once before, but here it is again

Yeah my neice looks white but is actually mixed. Her father is German and mother (my sister) is a light skinned black woman. In the Caribbean here so theres a lot of racial mixing going on both in the past and now. It's mostly black now with a quite large Asian set (mostly from India/Pakistan with a much smaller Chinese set) and then Whites who are a small set. My family originally came from England/Ireland and mixed in (tho we still have white members). My grandfather (fathers side) was a white businessman who had like 2 or 3 wives one of whom was a black Yankee and that's my fathers mother. On my mothers side her gran was the daughter of an English plantation owner and her ethnicity is up in the air. She straight up looked white but my gran always said she was really a mulatta woman (white/black slave mix) since these white guys were known to step outside marriage a lot with black servant women but the children didn't have the same status. Fast forward now and my immediate family is black (minus neice), most of my older cousins etc are white and I'm sure we got some Indians somewhere too.

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SunWuKung420
02/15/21 8:53:06 AM
#53:


No.

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Fam_Fam
02/15/21 10:32:42 AM
#54:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
That's not even comparable to actual racism.

implicit racism - a form of racism isn't comparable to...actual racism...?

does that imply that implicit racism isn't actually racism...?
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pionear
02/15/21 10:37:34 AM
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Usually, from what I've learned, if someone's 'Racist' toward a particular group, 9 times outta 10 you better believe they feel the same way about other groups 'different' from them

So if someone is openly racist against, let's say, Jewish or Muslims, you can bet your house that they have some 'Racist' views about Blacks, Asians, etc

But to answer your question, No, I wouldn't seriously 'Date' someone like that...maybe I would bang them, but I probably wouldn't stick around long enough to listen to their BS rhetoric.
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GunslingerGunsl
02/16/21 4:04:04 AM
#56:


Fam_Fam posted...
implicit racism - a form of racism isn't comparable to...actual racism...?

does that imply that implicit racism isn't actually racism...?
You said implicit racial bias. That's not the same thing. Bias is not racism. I could sometimes prefer to be around Hispanics because I feel more comfortable being around people that look like me and who might have the same cultural beliefs as I do. That's not the same thing as being racist. You might be thinking something different when you wrote "racial bias," in which case we'd only be arguing semantics.

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deoxxys
02/16/21 6:48:59 AM
#57:


Unbridled9 posted...
There's a world of difference between 'I laughed at a jew joke once', 'Jews have funny noses', and 'HEIL MEIN FUROR!'
Lawll
But yeah

I think hate is the determining factor here.
Do they actually have malice towards people of other races?

If so, hard pass.


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Fam_Fam
02/16/21 7:30:42 AM
#58:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
You said implicit racial bias. That's not the same thing. Bias is not racism. I could sometimes prefer to be around Hispanics because I feel more comfortable being around people that look like me and who might have the same cultural beliefs as I do. That's not the same thing as being racist. You might be thinking something different when you wrote "racial bias," in which case we'd only be arguing semantics.

I'd argue that preferring not to be around people of other races is pretty racist. And no, phrasing that sentiment differently doesn't change the effect of that "preference".
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Fam_Fam
02/16/21 7:31:33 AM
#59:


deoxxys posted...
Lawll
But yeah

I think hate is the determining factor here.
Do they actually have malice towards people of other races?

If so, hard pass.

you can do things that support racism / are racist without hate. most racism, I believe, is based on fear, not hate
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mooreandrew58
02/16/21 7:41:55 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
I'd argue that preferring not to be around people of other races is pretty racist. And no, phrasing that sentiment differently doesn't change the effect of that "preference".

I wouldnt unless you where strict about it. Not caring to be around certain life styles based on cultures/sub cultures aint wrong. But if you refuse to do it even for a short period of time ot write off those in that race that dont live like that then yeah probably racist. Difference being is do you hate them for it or just simply dont enjoy/care for it?

Growing up i didnt hang around a lot of black people cause I didn't care for rap and had little in common with most. But there where some that where into some of the same shit as me and id definitely hang with them. As an adult I started going to parties that where majority black but it was just the parties I really hung around them. Still didnt care for the music but music wasnt why I was there.

I grew up in a majority hispanic neighborhood so im just used to how they do things. Language barrier was the only issue I sometimes ran into. Odd thing i learned was outside a few things mexicans that live in a trailer park dont differ much from rednecks in a trailer park. Yet rednecks tend to not like them.

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Jen0125
02/16/21 7:45:55 AM
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No, I wouldn't. I'm actively anti racist.

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Fam_Fam
02/16/21 7:56:47 AM
#62:


mooreandrew58 posted...
I wouldnt unless you where strict about it. Not caring to be around certain life styles based on cultures/sub cultures aint wrong. But if you refuse to do it even for a short period of time ot write off those in that race that dont live like that then yeah probably racist. Difference being is do you hate them for it or just simply dont enjoy/care for it?

Growing up i didnt hang around a lot of black people cause I didn't care for rap and had little in common with most. But there where some that where into some of the same shit as me and id definitely hang with them. As an adult I started going to parties that where majority black but it was just the parties I really hung around them. Still didnt care for the music but music wasnt why I was there.

I grew up in a majority hispanic neighborhood so im just used to how they do things. Language barrier was the only issue I sometimes ran into. Odd thing i learned was outside a few things mexicans that live in a trailer park dont differ much from rednecks in a trailer park. Yet rednecks tend to not like them.

There are certainly conditions that make living/working/etc. comfortably harder. But my point is that if your reason for not wanting to be around people is because of their race...then that's racist.
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mooreandrew58
02/16/21 8:08:36 AM
#63:


Fam_Fam posted...
There are certainly conditions that make living/working/etc. comfortably harder. But my point is that if your reason for not wanting to be around people is because of their race...then that's racist.

As said its more a lifestyle or cultural thing which can be more prevelant amoung a particular race. If the deciding factor is inherently the race then yes I agree thats racist.

There are subcultures of white people i do not care for being around. But due to white people (at least in America) being majority in pretty much all wealth ranges and the fact whites have been appropriating cultures for like forever they have the most amount of subcultures in this country.

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Fam_Fam
02/16/21 9:01:53 AM
#64:


mooreandrew58 posted...
As said its more a lifestyle or cultural thing which can be more prevelant amoung a particular race. If the deciding factor is inherently the race then yes I agree thats racist.

There are subcultures of white people i do not care for being around. But due to white people (at least in America) being majority in pretty much all wealth ranges and the fact whites have been appropriating cultures for like forever they have the most amount of subcultures in this country.

and if you make assumptions about someones culture and decide that makes them unappealing because of their race. for instance, some people conflate being black with hip-hop culture. then they make assumptions about people based on their race (really skin color...) and then say 'oh my issue is with the culture...not all black people!"

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mooreandrew58
02/16/21 9:09:12 AM
#65:


Fam_Fam posted...
and if you make assumptions about someones culture and decide that makes them unappealing because of their race. for instance, some people conflate being black with hip-hop culture. then they make assumptions about people based on their race (really skin color...) and then say 'oh my issue is with the culture...not all black people!"

Generally i knew this stuff ahead of time. Plus youd be lying if you said you never had first impressions of people and went with that. I give people a chance to prove me wrong but I aint gonna go out of my way to hang with them to find out. For me its never based on skin color though. Dress style the way they talk and just little things I pick up on listening to them talk.

This mostly described me younger. Now days I dont go out of my way to make friends period. But I'll entertain small talk or even deeper conversation with anyone I get along with on a personality level. And as a ex co worker of mine said. If I dont get along with you that says more about you than me. Basically if we can find some kind of common ground to discuss im game.

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GGuirao13
02/16/21 1:27:22 PM
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No.

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GunslingerGunsl
02/16/21 1:46:39 PM
#67:


Fam_Fam posted...
I'd argue that preferring not to be around people of other races is pretty racist. And no, phrasing that sentiment differently doesn't change the effect of that "preference".
I dont think you understand what racism is to be honest.

I'll explain a little bit more I guess. Preferring to be around people that are similar to you doesn't mean that you also can't enjoy aspects of being around people who are different. It has to do with comfort with the familiar. Either way, that doesn't make you racist. Racism has to do with thinking that one race is inherently superior to another. It involves systemic oppression of a minority race with that idea in mind. People are going to have some racial "bias" as you put it, but that has everything to do with the psychology of in-groups and out-groups. Everyone experiences that to some extent. It does not mean you are racist.
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LinkPizza
02/16/21 2:00:44 PM
#68:


Fam_Fam posted...
I'd argue that preferring not to be around people of other races is pretty racist.

Isn't that different. Preferring to be around certain people more doesn't mean you want to be around other less... That being said, I'm not sure I'd call that racist either way... On it's own, at least...
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Fam_Fam
02/16/21 3:06:58 PM
#69:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
I dont think you understand what racism is to be honest.

I'll explain a little bit more I guess. Preferring to be around people that are similar to you doesn't mean that you also can't enjoy aspects of being around people who are different. It has to do with comfort with the familiar. Either way, that doesn't make you racist. Racism has to do with thinking that one race is inherently superior to another. It involves systemic oppression of a minority race with that idea in mind. People are going to have some racial "bias" as you put it, but that has everything to do with the psychology of in-groups and out-groups. Everyone experiences that to some extent. It does not mean you are racist.

For example, I grew up in a mostly Hispanic area. A few years ago, me and one of my best friends moved to a city to live with a few people that had been there for a bit. Im mexican-american and my friend is black. The 5 people that lived in the house already were all Vietnamese. My friend and I kinda stuck out a bit especially since they were having a party at the time we first went to check out the house. Mostly everyone was Vietnamese. It was kind of a culture shock. There was some discomfort for a bit partly because we didn't know anyone and partly because we felt like an "out-group." Despite the initial discomfort, we ended up making friends with pretty much everyone we met there over a year. One of the guys who lived there would always ask me things about Hispanic things as if I was the Hispanic spokesperson lol. Did our initial discomfort at being different make us racist? No. Did my roommates tendency to ask me about all things Hispanic make him racist? No. I don't think throwing that term around lightly does anyone any good. There are differences between cultures and races that need to be acknowledged but none is superior to another.

i agree, finding things to be different and understanding the differences between them is not racist.

not wanting to hang out with people because of their race is not that, though.
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GunslingerGunsl
02/17/21 12:27:09 PM
#70:


Fam_Fam posted...
i agree, finding things to be different and understanding the differences between them is not racist.

not wanting to hang out with people because of their race is not that, though.
I agree with that too. I don't think anyone here mentioned that they don't want to hang out with someone because of their race.
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wwinterj25
02/17/21 12:53:47 PM
#71:


LinkPizza posted...
Isn't that different. Preferring to be around certain people more doesn't mean you want to be around others less... That being said, I'm not sure I'd call that racist either way... On it's own, at least...
I see it as like saying you wouldn't date a certain race. That doesn't actually make you racist. It's just a preference. No different to brown eyes over blue for example.

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GunslingerGunsl
02/17/21 2:22:11 PM
#72:


wwinterj25 posted...
I see it as like saying you wouldn't date a certain race. That doesn't actually make you racist. It's just a preference. No different to brown eyes over blue for example.
I think maybe a good comparison is like saying you prefer to spend time with people your own age. That doesn't mean you hate old people or children.
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Garlands_Soul
02/17/21 2:27:53 PM
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Did before. Didn't know before we started dating and didn't like it so we didn't last.

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wwinterj25
02/17/21 4:10:14 PM
#74:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
I think maybe a good comparison is like saying you prefer to spend time with people your own age. That doesn't mean you hate old people or children.
I don't know about that man. I'd date younger and older. However yes age doesn't matter to me in the terms of interaction.

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GunslingerGunsl
02/17/21 4:32:56 PM
#75:


wwinterj25 posted...
I don't know about that man. I'd date younger and older. However yes age doesn't matter to me in the terms of interaction.
Yeah I just meant generally in terms of interaction. How much older and younger are you talking about though? Haha
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DrYuya
02/17/21 6:02:27 PM
#76:


I wouldn't even think to ask or figure out whether the person was the modern and popular definition of "racist" or not.

I'm guessing it would involve a line of questioning or gathering of opinions from them on a bunch of subject matter topics I dont even care about...or observing behaviors I'm supposed to be able to discern racism/non-racism from based on those modern standards?

Thing is...if I'm the one bothering with all that nonsense they should probably break up with ME. There's better things to do with ones time... and if they have any self respect they'll think the same thing and not want me and my racism focused behaviors around them.

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LinkPizza
02/17/21 6:04:17 PM
#77:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
I think maybe a good comparison is like saying you prefer to spend time with people your own age. That doesn't mean you hate old people or children.

This is true...
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wwinterj25
02/17/21 6:45:42 PM
#78:


GunslingerGunsl posted...
Yeah I just meant generally in terms of interaction. How much older and younger are you talking about though? Haha
Providing they are legal. 16+ for me on dating. However I have young nice and nephews who have friends so.

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