Current Events > Trump's Lawyers Just Blamed Madonna For the Insurrection

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Seriously now? This is the best they can come up with for Trump's defense?

Dey can say whatever da fuck dey want, no matter what da Republicans will not convict lol
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...This is Chewbacca

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they could beat off on the floor before finishing on mitch's face and he'd give that soulless smile while voting against conviction...

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this is what happens when you are completely unable to win anything but moral and symbolic victories against your opponent. they begin to ignore symbols and forego morals in favor of bullshitting and laughing in your face

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This is a farce.

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It was more along the lines of "look Democrats threaten violence too." Funny because they prefaced it saying it wasn't whataboutism.

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Trump's lawyer could have just walked in and said "this is my case" and just took a massive shit on the floor and republicans still wouldn't convict

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wish they came up with something better :(. if they wanted to lie have to use something good.
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While I'm not against incarcerating Madonna for any reason really, let's keep some perspective lol.

But she really is terrible

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They can say whatever they want and know it doesn't matter because Trump is getting away with everything anyway. This whole thing is a farce.

In what context?

I mean, there's obviously no context at all where this could even seem remotely sane, but I'm morbidly curious as to what their bullshit argument could have been.

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CalosiaTana posted...

They can say whatever they want and know it doesn't matter because Trump is getting away with everything anyway. This whole thing is a farce.

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I think it's intended more to be an accusation of hypocrisy than it is to be an assignment of blame. A couple of years back, Madonna publicly said that she had "thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House" after Trump got elected, but that never seemed to become a big deal, legally.

Maxine Waters never got a slap on the wrist or a criminal charge for her famous speech, in which she said, and I quote: "Lets make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them theyre not welcome anymore, anywhere"

Given that the case against Trump hinges on whether or not his violent rhetoric about 'fighting like hell' was the inciting factor for a riot, it makes sense to me that examples of double standards and precedent are being mentioned.

The invasion of the capitol building was a disturbing crime that created fear, disruption, and loss of life, and I will never condone the actions of those who caused the destruction and violence. Those people must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Literally throw the book at them.

However, I don't think Trump's political rhetoric--rhetoric that's fairly common in rally speeches--is the main cause. The invaders made their own choices. They weren't told to attack the building. They weren't told to overtake the barricades. They weren't told to hurt, or destroy, or kill. What they were told, in honest truth, just prior to marching to the capitol building, was to, and I quote Trump: "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Those aren't the words of somebody who's trying to start a riot. Holding Trump criminally liable for what happened is wrong, in my opinion. Yes, it's fair to say that the rally's existence was a contributing factor; yes, his supporters were angry based on his claims of election fraud. I freely admit that he played a role in the rioters'/terrorists' decision making, but his role, in my opinion, doesn't rise to the level of criminality. He said nothing egregiously violent, nor anything particularly inciting, when compared to any other politician giving a speech about 'fighting' an opposing side.

Preemptive Note to the Mod who is inevitably going to review this post for trolling: I am not defending the attackers. I am not making any attempt to justify their actions. I am not denying the fact that Trump contributed to the unrest. I am not blaming any Democrats nor any Media personalities for causing the attack. I am not suggesting that the recent claims of voter fraud are true or realistic. I am not trolling. I am not insulting anyone. I am merely saying, in the most reasonable and factual way that I can, that I do not personally believe that Trump's words rise to the level of an incitement to violence. To support that argument, I have made comparisons to some exact words that have been used by other individuals; words which have been treated with different standards. For the love of God, please do not suspend me again for trying to participate reasonably in a discussion.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I think it's intended more to be an accusation of hypocrisy than it is to be an assignment of blame. A couple of years back, Madonna publicly said that she had "thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House" after Trump got elected, but that never seemed to become a big deal, legally.

Maxine Waters never got a slap on the wrist or a criminal charge for her famous speech, in which she said, and I quote: "Lets make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them theyre not welcome anymore, anywhere"

Given that the case against Trump hinges on whether or not his violent rhetoric about 'fighting like hell' was the inciting factor for a riot, it makes sense to me that examples of double standards and precedent are being mentioned.

The invasion of the capitol building was a disturbing crime that created fear, disruption, and loss of life, and I will never condone the actions of those who caused the destruction and violence. Those people must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Literally throw the book at them.

However, I don't think Trump's political rhetoric--rhetoric that's fairly common in rally speeches--is the main cause. The invaders made their own choices. They weren't told to attack the building. They weren't told to overtake the barricades. They weren't told to hurt, or destroy, or kill. What they were told, in honest truth, just prior to marching to the capitol building, was to, and I quote Trump: "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Those aren't the words of somebody who's trying to start a riot. Holding Trump criminally liable for what happened is wrong, in my opinion. Yes, it's fair to say that the rally's existence was a contributing factor; yes, his supporters were angry based on his claims of election fraud. I freely admit that he played a role in the rioters'/terrorists' decision making, but his role, in my opinion, doesn't rise to the level of criminality. He said nothing egregiously violent, nor anything particularly inciting, when compared to any other politician giving a speech about 'fighting' an opposing side.

Preemptive Note to the Mod who is inevitably going to review this post for trolling: I am not defending the attackers. I am not making any attempt to justify their actions. I am not denying the fact that Trump contributed to the unrest. I am not blaming any Democrats nor any Media personalities for causing the attack. I am not suggesting that the recent claims of voter fraud are true or realistic. I am not trolling. I am not insulting anyone. I am merely saying, in the most reasonable and factual way that I can, that I do not personally believe that Trump's words rise to the level of an incitement to violence. To support that argument, I have made comparisons to some exact words that have been used by other individuals; words which have been treated with different standards. For the love of God, please do not suspend me again for trying to participate reasonably in a discussion.

How do you feel his refusal to call in the national guard and expressing glee while watching the riot reflect on his role?
(I know neither of those are what he's on trial for today)

Gobstoppers12 posted...

What a long wet fart.

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