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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 9:56:13 PM
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Disregarding his superhuman ability to withstand mortal injury, which of the following traits and characteristics is the strongest evidence that Michael Myers of Halloween is not a mere human being...





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BilalPowell
02/06/21 10:00:30 PM
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His ability to not die

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Johnny_Nutcase
02/06/21 10:01:05 PM
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I've been such a fan of Friday the 13th that i've never watched a single Halloween movie.... I just don't feel like Jason can be topped.

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BilalPowell
02/06/21 10:02:48 PM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
I've been such a fan of Friday the 13th that i've never watched a single Halloween movie.... I just don't feel like Jason can be topped.
Imagine Jason, but he kills people on Halloween and not at camp.

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02/06/21 10:02:59 PM
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Garlands_Soul
02/06/21 10:03:14 PM
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Durability

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:19:49 PM
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Guys...

Disregarding his superhuman ability to withstand mortal injury

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:26:19 PM
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@Johnny_Nutcase

Johnny_Nutcase posted...
I've been such a fan of Friday the 13th that i've never watched a single Halloween movie.... I just don't feel like Jason can be topped.

I am a fan of both, and while there are obvious similarities between the two (silent masked killers who cannot be killed), there are also significant differences that prevent them from being carbon copies of each other. (Well, technically, Jason would be a copy of Michael, since Michael came first; but that's another discussion.)

Anyway, Jason is obviously a zombie or wraith-like ghoul motivated by revenge. As such, the audience understands what he is (to a degree) and why he kills. Michael Myers, on the other hand, has no real reason for doing what he does. Certain sequels and timelines offer suggestions and theories, but canonically there is no "reason" or "backstory" to Michael Myers other than the notion that he is the Boogeyman, evil incarnate, not an undead specter like Jason but also not quite a human being, either.

This is one of the things that make Michael Myers so scary, and some may say even scarier than Jason: he appears to be just a man. He's not an animated decomposed corpse like Jason, where it's obvious you are dealing with something otherworldly. With Michael, you have no reason to believe you're dealing with anything other than just a psychotic mental patient wearing coveralls and a creepy white mask... until you experience his preternatural strength and the fact that, somehow, he just won't die.

If you enjoy the Jason films, I would definitely give the Halloween movies a whirl. It can be confusing because there are several timelines, as the various sequels branched off and did their own thing.

My personal recommendation: watch the original Halloween (1978), and then watch the 2018 film (also titled simply Halloween), which is treated as a direct sequel to the original and ignores all other films in the franchise. Then, if you are invested in the character enough to explore further, check out the other sequels and timelines to see how different films explored the Michael Myers character and mythos.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:30:18 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Goddamn. This is beautiful.

Haha, thank you. I drank a Redline earlier so I feel like my concentration and focus are at peak levels at the moment.

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Johnny_Nutcase
02/06/21 10:34:21 PM
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Well maybe that's the motivation I need to watch Halloween on Halloween this year. Well thought out, i'll give ya that.

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au_gold
02/06/21 10:35:59 PM
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The fact that they needed magic stones to stop him in Halloween 6.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:38:58 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
What's your favorite Halloween and how do you feel about the Rob Zombie ones?

Choosing my favorite is tricky because I'm such a fan of the character that I enjoy even the "bad" films (yes, even Resurrection) -- to varying degrees, of course. So I'll go about it this way:

The best film: Halloween '78 (of course; it's a milestone in horror cinema)
The most rewatchable film: Halloween II (1981) (no exposition since it's a literal continuation of the first film; we jump right into the action, we already know from having finished the first movie that Michael is apparently unkillable. I just love the atmosphere, it's nighttime for the entire film, until the very end. The hospital setting, the aura of death permeates every scene, and probably the most realistic "death" of Michael Myers in any film, sans H20.)

I also really like Halloween 4 (though the weird doll-like mask is a little off-putting).
I think H20 is somewhat overrated.

Rob Zombie's, I have mixed feelings about. I feel like it detracted a bit from the mysterious nature of Michael, but I give RZ credit for at least making it his own and not just rehashing the original. So kudos for having balls.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:40:54 PM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Well maybe that's the motivation I need to watch Halloween on Halloween this year. Well thought out, i'll give ya that.

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BilalPowell
02/06/21 10:43:56 PM
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I like Halloween II more than Halloween. More happens.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:45:25 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
I like Halloween II more than Halloween. More happens.


I feel like it's one of those situations where the original is the better movie, particularly for first-time viewers, but once you are already familiar with the character and the mythos and all that, the second one is just more enjoyable.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:48:53 PM
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@Johnny_Nutcase

Here's a flowchart showing the different sequels and timelines, haha. Keep in mind that that 2018 sequel is going to have two sequels, which will have to be added to the diagram.



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pinky0926
02/06/21 10:54:58 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
@Johnny_Nutcase

I am a fan of both, and while there are obvious similarities between the two (silent masked killers who cannot be killed), there are also significant differences that prevent them from being carbon copies of each other. (Well, technically, Jason would be a copy of Michael, since Michael came first; but that's another discussion.)

Anyway, Jason is obviously a zombie or wraith-like ghoul motivated by revenge. As such, the audience understands what he is (to a degree) and why he kills. Michael Myers, on the other hand, has no real reason for doing what he does. Certain sequels and timelines offer suggestions and theories, but canonically there is no "reason" or "backstory" to Michael Myers other than the notion that he is the Boogeyman, evil incarnate, not an undead specter like Jason but also not quite a human being, either.

This is one of the things that make Michael Myers so scary, and some may say even scarier than Jason: he appears to be just a man. He's not an animated decomposed corpse like Jason, where it's obvious you are dealing with something otherworldly. With Michael, you have no reason to believe you're dealing with anything other than just a psychotic mental patient wearing coveralls and a creepy white mask... until you experience his preternatural strength and the fact that, somehow, he just won't die.

If you enjoy the Jason films, I would definitely give the Halloween movies a whirl. It can be confusing because there are several timelines, as the various sequels branched off and did their own thing.

My personal recommendation: watch the original Halloween (1978), and then watch the 2018 film (also titled simply Halloween), which is treated as a direct sequel to the original and ignores all other films in the franchise. Then, if you are invested in the character enough to explore further, check out the other sequels and timelines to see how different films explored the Michael Myers character and mythos.

Well said. Michael really is terrifying because nothing suggests he is anything other than a pure eldritch horror. There's no tragic back story or personal grievance or toxic waste or whatever. He just...is.

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Johnny_Nutcase
02/06/21 10:55:00 PM
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Now see I don't want to have to go through a flow chart to watch these fucking things.

Jason wins by TKO

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 10:56:33 PM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Now see I don't want to have to go through a flow chart to watch these fucking things.

Jason wins by TKO

That's why I said to watch the original and then the 2018 sequel, because the 2018 sequel completely disregards everything else in that flowchart.

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Mr_Karate_II
02/06/21 11:06:19 PM
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Yeah just watch the original and then the 2018 sequel.


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DarkChozoGhost
02/06/21 11:07:00 PM
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Nice flowchart

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 11:07:31 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Nice flowchart

I just googled it lol

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MorbidFaithless
02/06/21 11:25:34 PM
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His appearing and disappearing abilities. What stands out in my mind is the scene in the original in which Laurie is in her bedroom, looking out the window and sees Michael in the backyard. We see a shot of Michael. Then a shot of Laurie looking at Michael. Then a shot of where Michael should be, but he's not there. She didn't blink or look away. It happens in the span of 3 seconds and she looks visibly shaken. By film logic, Laurie saw him literally disappear. It's really no wonder she was so paranoid in the 2018 sequel. She saw the devil all those years ago.

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SauI_Goodman
02/06/21 11:27:14 PM
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Hes not a very big guy


I guess somebody hasnt seen the rob zombie movies. Kid went from fat kid to arnold.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 11:34:24 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
His appearing and disappearing abilities. What stands out in my mind is the scene in the original in which Laurie is in her bedroom, looking out the window and sees Michael in the backyard. We see a shot of Michael. Then a shot of Laurie looking at Michael. Then a shot of where Michael should be, but he's not there. She didn't blink or look away. It happens in the span of 3 seconds and she looks visibly shaken. By film logic, Laurie saw him literally disappear. It's really no wonder she was so paranoid in the 2018 sequel. She saw the devil all those years ago.

That's one of my favorite scenes from the original, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. It's perfect because one could suggest that Laurie blinked during that split second the camera is looking at Michael, but typically in movies the character will blink or look away on-camera to explain the mysterious figure's disappearance. The way Carpenter filmed it was so perfect, because it rides that razor-sharp balance of "is Michael a human, or is he a force of nature?" Was Laurie just seeing things? The fact that Michael straight up vanishes makes the audience just as unnerved as Laurie.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/06/21 11:36:07 PM
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I also feel the need to point out that some of Michael's feats of strength probably couldn't be duplicated even by the strongest men in the world. In the fourth movie, he jams his right thumb into a guy's skull through his forehead. That kind of strength is just unfathomable.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/07/21 5:30:12 PM
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Bump for discussion

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FortuneCookie
02/07/21 5:36:23 PM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
I've been such a fan of Friday the 13th that i've never watched a single Halloween movie.... I just don't feel like Jason can be topped.

That's doing them a disservice. Without Michael Myers, there would be no Jason Voorhees.
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Questionmarktarius
02/07/21 5:44:04 PM
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Wayne's World 2
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Josiah_Is_Back
02/08/21 11:45:46 AM
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:)

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Ruvan22
02/08/21 12:01:11 PM
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Oddly enough, Halloween 3 (the one with the masks) was the first one I watched... it still holds a place in my memory (not heart) as I was close in age to the son that wore the mask.
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MKScorpion
02/08/21 1:01:16 PM
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Honestly, it's all of the above that makes Michael such an interesting character. I don't think just one of those things really explains it, it's the combination of them all that makes him seem like something not human.

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Josiah_Is_Back
02/08/21 1:08:44 PM
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MKScorpion posted...
Honestly, it's all of the above that makes Michael such an interesting character. I don't think just one of those things really explains it, it's the combination of them all that makes him seem like something not human.

Good point. There are plausible explanations for any one particular trait, but for one single person to embody all of them seems beyond what could be considered normal or feasible.

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