Current Events > reminder: sexual orientation is not a "preference"

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:06:57 PM
#53:


Crono99 posted...
I mean, let's take another thing people get discriminated for: religion. Is religion a choice?
not when religious people literally train their kids to believe in their specific religion from birth.

not even religion, but their specific religion.

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:07:22 PM
#54:


medea, make a fucking argument.

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hockeybub89
01/30/21 2:12:11 PM
#56:


Crono99 posted...
I don't see what I said that is so wrong. I just feel that discrimination is bad regardless without having to prove that something is a choice or not.

I mean, let's take another thing people get discriminated for: religion. Is religion a choice?

I don't know about the States, but in Canada religion is among the things that are protected from discrimination at the same level as sexual orientation.

If a restaurant owner puts up a sign and says that he won't serve jews, or that he won't serve muslims, for example, this is clearly discrimination and shouldn't be allowed.

Do you think the people who are victims of this discrimination should have the burden to prove that it's not their choice to follow that particular religion?

It seems a bit excessive to me.
This is a lot of words for a mod to tell us they think being gay is a choice.

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shironinja
01/30/21 2:13:22 PM
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Next time you are getting f***ed in the [whatever orifice] remember it's not that you prefer it but that you are hard-wired this way.

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UnfairRepresent
01/30/21 2:16:10 PM
#58:


hockeybub89 posted...
This is a lot of words for a mod to tell us they think being gay is a choice.
No he's right

The entire point of this "debate" is to claim that if homosexuality is a choice and not nature it's okay to hate people for it because God says so

That's insane. It's wrong to be dicks to gay people no matter what

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:16:41 PM
#59:


UnfairRepresent posted...
The entire point of this "debate" is to claim that if homosexuality is a base and not nature
Stop.

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UnfairRepresent
01/30/21 2:22:18 PM
#61:


Crono99 posted...


My reaction to the topic is... if someone is discriminated against on the basis of their sexual orientation, the only important point should be that the discrimination happened.

What I feel is that by making the discussion about it not being a choice take center stage, it seems to me that an additional burden is created on the person being discriminated to prove that it's not their choice. I don't feel that something not being a choice should be a litmus test for not being discriminated against.

Think about what I said about religion. Religious identity is a class that is protected from discrimination. But how do you demonstrate that it's not a choice? Someone who is atheist for example could one day become interested in islam and decide to convert. Is it a choice for him or not? Well, it doesn't matter because regardless of whether nor not it's a choice, he has the right to not be discriminated against because of it.

Am I wrong in thinking that something having to be a choice actually could have the effect of weakening laws to prevent discrimination?
It's not even just about laws but society

"It's a choice" is basically a defense for religious people to justify God hating his own creation

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RedJackson
01/30/21 2:22:49 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
Coming from Mr. Clickbait Misleading Topic Titles himself.

Lmao nice

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AtelierRyza2462
01/30/21 2:24:48 PM
#64:


When certain types nag that you should be more open minded and not just stick w/ your preferences, as if you yourself chose what you prefer.
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UnfairRepresent
01/30/21 2:27:04 PM
#65:


Crono99 posted...
And the people using "it's a choice" as a reason to discriminate are wrong.

They are wrong because it's not a choice, but they are also wrong because you shouldn't discriminate regardless.
https://youtu.be/sJIfeinL2eI

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DravenRainrix
01/30/21 2:27:41 PM
#66:


Crono99 posted...
you shouldn't discriminate regardless.

The bare minimum and laziest option for anyone is to just let people be and mind your damn business. Takes no effort at all to not give a shit what someone's gender is, what sexuality they are, wether they believe in God, Buddha or The FSM. It takes more effort to hate people for no reason.


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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:27:53 PM
#67:


AtelierRyza2462 posted...
When certain types nag that you should be more open minded and not just stick w/ your preferences, as if you yourself chose what you prefer.
What do you mean exactly by "certain types"?

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:33:40 PM
#68:


@AtelierRyza2462

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Solid Snake07
01/30/21 2:35:22 PM
#69:


hockeybub89 posted...
So you have a preference for whiteness?


Weird post

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AtelierRyza2462
01/30/21 2:35:44 PM
#70:


God_Of_Entirety posted...
What do you mean exactly by "certain types"?

People who aren't included in the type someone prefers.

You don't actually choose what kind of people you are attracted to despite it being called a preference.

Just like sexuallty, it isn't a choice.
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Maze_
01/30/21 2:36:34 PM
#71:


AtelierRyza2462 posted...
When certain types nag that you should be more open minded and not just stick w/ your preferences, as if you yourself chose what you prefer.
What are you trying to say?

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:38:05 PM
#72:


Solid Snake07 posted...


Weird post
If you're playing dumb, yeah.

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Solid Snake07
01/30/21 2:39:06 PM
#73:


hockeybub89 posted...
This is a lot of words for a mod to tell us they think being gay is a choice.


Apparently too many words for you to either read or comprehend. He basically said it shouldn't matter whether or not it's a choice, and he's right

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Solid Snake07
01/30/21 2:40:13 PM
#74:


God_Of_Entirety posted...
If you're playing dumb, yeah.


Playing dumb to what exacly? If you've got something to say then say it and stop pussyfooting

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:41:48 PM
#75:


iF yOu GoT sOmEtHiNg To SaY jUsT sAy It

Read the topic.

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Firewerx
01/30/21 2:45:51 PM
#76:


Preference implies there are alternatives available. But people don't have an alternative to being themselves.

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:56:06 PM
#77:


Firewerx posted...
Preference implies there are alternatives available. But people don't have an alternative to being themselves.


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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 2:56:23 PM
#78:


Enjoy your preferences on being human beings! I respect your decision!

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 3:04:41 PM
#79:


Enjoy your preferences on being human beings! I respect your decision!

@AtelierRyza2462 you never explained yourself, sir.

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AtelierRyza2462
01/30/21 3:10:47 PM
#80:


Maze_ posted...
What are you trying to say?

They must attractive person for you is likely very plain to someone else.
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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 3:22:51 PM
#81:


AtelierRyza2462 posted...
They must attractive person for you is likely very plain to someone else.
>___> ..........

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tainted_emerald
01/30/21 3:27:49 PM
#82:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Apparently too many words for you to either read or comprehend. He basically said it shouldn't matter whether or not it's a choice, and he's right
That's a nice sentiment. Too bad nearly half the US population, and a majority of the world thinks that it is a choice, and that it being a choice makes non-heterosexuals subhuman.

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Drrobotniks
01/30/21 3:55:28 PM
#83:


God_Of_Entirety posted...
@AtelierRyza2462 you never explained yourself, sir.
I mean, you never addressed this:

xXfireglzXx posted...
You don't really care though, or you would be "educating" people instead of poking fun at them. You should stop using legitimate issues as a prop for starting pedantic arguments. It's disrespectful.


So why should anyone address you when you refuse to acknowledge that?
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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 5:59:14 PM
#84:


Bump.
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Lorenzo_2003
01/30/21 8:38:52 PM
#86:


God_Of_Entirety posted...
why do lbgt matters get dudes so angry? this is simple shit and just bringing it up makes you "upset" somehow, lmao.

You sound angry. I think this topic and other peoples views upset you.

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 8:40:00 PM
#87:


yOu SoUnD tEh MaD

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God_Of_Entirety
01/30/21 8:40:33 PM
#88:


active posts 12 bumped the thread just to say that, lol.

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God_Of_Entirety
01/31/21 11:15:03 AM
#89:


^dude DELETE that...

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God_Of_Entirety
01/31/21 10:16:50 PM
#90:


^^dude DELETE that...

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FantasticAssGas
01/31/21 10:23:22 PM
#91:


Not everyone is going to be attractive to everyone else.
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God_Of_Entirety
01/31/21 10:53:00 PM
#92:


FantasticAssGas posted...
Not everyone is going to be attractive to everyone else.
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God_Of_Entirety
02/01/21 7:51:28 PM
#93:


FantasticAssGas posted...
Not everyone is going to be attractive to everyone else.
... huh?

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NobleWill8
02/01/21 9:28:59 PM
#94:


I mean, if you flip it around I don't see the big deal. I prefer women over guys, I dunno why exactly it's something to get fussy about. I mean, based on what I've read I definitely won't be referring to it as a preference, but I'm still not exactly sure what the issue is.

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God_Of_Entirety
02/01/21 9:32:52 PM
#95:


NobleWill8 posted...
I mean, if you flip it around I don't see the big deal. I prefer women over guys, I dunno why exactly it's something to get fussy about. I mean, based on what I've read I definitely won't be referring to it as a preference, but I'm still not exactly sure what the issue is.

If you're heterosexual, no, you DON'T "prefer" women over guys.

Why is this so hard to grasp.
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God_Of_Entirety
02/03/21 6:14:18 AM
#96:


Bump.

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God_Of_Entirety
02/03/21 10:01:13 PM
#97:


Bump

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SpiritSephiroth
02/03/21 10:05:18 PM
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God_Of_Entirety
02/03/21 10:13:39 PM
#99:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
Crazy what you guys debate over tbh.
No, it's not crazy because you personally don't care or are offended by the discussion.

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