Current Events > Here's how I think the MCU will introduce mutants *Slight WandaVision spoilers*

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Wanda and Pietro were not given powers by the mind stone. Rather, the cosmic energy from it awakened their dormant X-gene.

There were also those among Thanos' snap victims that also possessed the X-Gene. When they were snapped and subsequently brought back, they were also affected by the Infinity Stones and had their dormant powers awakened.

Also the reason why Wanda has such a massive power boost as of Endgame is because she herself is a snap victim, thus she was affected by the energy from the Infinity Stones twice over.

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i don't hate it.

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pretty good

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50% of the population cant be mutants, its too many

JoeRodonExprien posted...

50% of the population cant be mutants, its too many

It wouldn't be 50% of the population, just whatever portion of that 50% had a dormant X-gene prior to being snapped

So like obviously Spider-Man and Falcon and all those guys wouldn't be mutants

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JoeRodonExprien posted...

50% of the population cant be mutants, its too many

Not all of them, just some of them. Not everyone has an X gene

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it even allows for old men Charles and Eric, while explaining why they weren't involved, well, ever before. they lose the historical context of their backstories, but it's not like we haven't see those stories before. it also allows for Apocalypse-types, they just needed to come into contact with a stone. it's even similar enough to how the new inhumans were created, that they could roll them back together if they want.

i definitely don't hate it. infinitely (heh) better than the Reality stone or multiverse travel theories that were out there.

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Ehh. That would totally kill the fact that mutant powers activate pretty much always during puberty

Then you get in to wonky territory with the Fantastic Fours powers coming from cosmic rays


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TheoryzC posted...

Ehh. That would totally kill the fact that mutant powers activate pretty much always during puberty

Then you get in to wonky territory with the Fantastic Fours powers coming from cosmic rays

They've taken plenty of liberties with the MCU, this would be their best option imo.

And as for the puberty thing; just have their kids have an activated X gene that activates during puberty. No need for the X gene to be something that's always been there; make it a new phenomenon in the MCU. The comics had it pop up in a abrupt way; the MCU just has to modernize that.

And X/Mageneto could have had some contact with one if the other stones in their childhood, but chose to stay secret. MAYBE that's why their old friends, Charles helped hide Magneto and he owes him a little, but resents him for having to do that or someshit.

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They should've just taken advantage of Agents of SHIELD to explain it tbh

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TheoryzC posted...

Then you get in to wonky territory with the Fantastic Fours powers coming from cosmic rays

that's still fine. would be the same kind of thing that happened to banner.

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SolidShadow3 posted...

They've taken plenty of liberties with the MCU, this would be their best option imo.

And as for the puberty thing; just have their kids have an activated X gene that activates during puberty. No need for the X gene to be something that's always been there; make it a new phenomenon in the MCU. The comics had it pop up in a abrupt way; the MCU just has to modernize that.

And X/Mageneto could have had some contact with one if the other stones in their childhood, but chose to stay secret. MAYBE that's why their old friends, Charles helped hide Magneto and he owes him a little, but resents him for having to do that or someshit.

With mutants they're gonna have to liberties of epic proportions tho. I'm talking characters that have decades spanning history. And I'm not talking about in the real world. Characters like Logan and Jean Grey. They'd have to modify or completely ignore large parts of their backstories

And I think it would be tough to do that half been here all along and half contact with the stones intro. It'll just end up being everyone convenient to the story having contact with a stone. Just very cheap

Wanda/multiverse shenanigans and/or them being in the MCU all along are the most logical theories imo


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TheoryzC posted...

With mutants they're gonna have to liberties of epic proportions tho. I'm talking characters that have decades spanning history. And I'm not talking about in the real world. Characters like Logan and Jean Grey. They'd have to modify or completely ignore large parts of their backstories

The Infinity Stones aren't the only source of cosmic energy. They would simply be used to explain the sudden surge in mutant activity post-Endgame. Others, like Jean Grey, could have had her powers triggered directly from the Phoenix Force or other cosmic phenomenon.

And there's already a very thin line between mutates and mutants in the main Marvel Universe since they both trace their origins back to the same creator in the Celestials (the Celestials are who gave humans the potential to develop superpowers from exposure to radiation, and this same process allowed for mutants as well, who are naturally born as super-powered beings). I mean, why would the MCU version of Thor, for instance, NOT be classified as a mutant?

An easy way to make the distinction in the MCU is this: metahumans like the Fantastic Four were created under specific scientific conditions and that if anything happened differently, the outcome would have been much different. Mutants, on the other hand, just need some exposure to residual cosmic energy and their innate powers are unlocked.

This means that mutants can literally just pop up out of nowhere while guys like Spider-Man, The Hulk and the Fantastic Four can't. Not without either extreme coincidence or purposeful recreation of those events, at least.

And to be honest, I've never been a fan of just saying mutants are from somewhere else in the multiverse. That always felt like a cop-out to me when one of the biggest draws to the MCU is its ability to expand on established lore, often times even fundamentally changing how we look at certain events by giving us new information or presenting them in a different context. Kinda like how the knowledge that HYDRA infiltrated SHIELD kinda adds more context to the first Avengers movie.

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I'm sleepy, but I have things to say.

Imma say them later.

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This is basically the same theory that was around after Endgame. The difference is that it was the radiation from the multiple snaps on earth that activates the X-gene.

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Me and you are lock-step in our theory TC. I posted a similar question in the WandaVision discussion on the Cable board that what if the Maximoffs were already mutants and the Hydra experiments only awakened what was there.

There's also some precedence assuming the MCU will follow the fictional publication history of the Eternals. The Celestial Race (Ego the Living Planet, The Collector, possibly Odin) visited Earth and performed genetic experiments using cosmic energy/Infinity Stones on the pre-humans and created Deviants (failed experiments) & Eternals (successful experiments, movie also coming this November). If humans as we know them today have the ability to take on being influenced by cosmic power or by a cosmic event such as The Snap, that would explain how some humans are able to survive and sustain being exposed to significant trauma and develop abilities like Banner, Parker, Danvers, & the Maximoff Twins.

But as already mentioned, the problem is time frame as other characters have gone through history and been shaped by moments such as World War II and the Holocaust.

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Any idea that connects the existence of mutants to the stones is bad.

I think this is a rather tidy way of doing this

My only issue is this eliminates most of the "history" for mutants that we see in the comics and original films and would negate a lot of character's backstories.

My own personal hope/theory given what we know of the rest of phase 4, is some sort of multiverse collision event that causes the timeline in the MCU to be altered to bring in mutants and stuff like that

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Medussa posted...

i don't hate it.

Collat posted...

Any idea that connects the existence of mutants to the stones is bad.

Why?

Medussa posted...

it even allows for old men Charles and Eric, while explaining why they weren't involved, well, ever before. they lose the historical context of their backstories, but it's not like we haven't see those stories before.

No. Fuck this.

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Yeah Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto make this concept really awkward. As does Deadpool thinking about it lol

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there;s no way at this point for Magneto not to be awkward. he'd be well into his 90s.

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Medussa posted...

there;s no way at this point for Magneto not to be awkward. he'd be well into his 90s.

Your idea was far worse than whatever we will end up getting. I'm sorry.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

Your idea was far worse than whatever we will end up getting. I'm sorry.

we're going to have to either let them go or rewrite their history at some point anyway. sorry you can't accept that.

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Medussa posted...

we're going to have to either let them go or rewrite their history at some point anyway. sorry you can't accept that.

It's not that I haven't accepted that. It's that your idea was just terrible. They can do anything with the multiverse being introduced.

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Medussa posted...

there;s no way at this point for Magneto not to be awkward. he'd be well into his 90s.

Mutants age slower. Or his powers specifically make him age slower. Easy.

I like the stone explanation, but we saw no evidence of mutants in FFH which is like eight months after WV. Maybe make it a slow burn process.

The one thing I'd do is make so that the there were naturally occurring mutants prior to the snaps, they were just very rare and kept themselves hidden. That way you could have Xavier, Mags, and Wolverine. Hell you could even have a small X-Men class with Cyke and the crew that now has to come out of hiding to help the explosion of new mutants coming into existence.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

An easy way to make the distinction in the MCU is this: metahumans like the Fantastic Four were created under specific scientific conditions and that if anything happened differently, the outcome would have been much different. Mutants, on the other hand, just need some exposure to residual cosmic energy and their innate powers are unlocked.

This means that mutants can literally just pop up out of nowhere while guys like Spider-Man, The Hulk and the Fantastic Four can't. Not without either extreme coincidence or purposeful recreation of those events, at least.

See this is a problem cause then it becomes a matter of convenience with certain characters

So Jean or Charles get there powers unlocked at their own special times but say Iceman or a random Morlock has to wait for a cosmic event to happen? It totally kills the spirit of the mutant characters which is these were people born with these abilities that came out during a time in their lives where they were the most confused.

And then there's the fact that The Snap could be used to be conveniently anything you want it to be but I'll save that for another time lol

Murphiroth posted...

The one thing I'd do is make so that the there were naturally occurring mutants prior to the snaps, they were just very rare and kept themselves hidden. That way you could have Xavier, Mags, and Wolverine. Hell you could even have a small X-Men class with Cyke and the crew that now has to come out of hiding to help the explosion of new mutants coming into existence.

This is honestly the most logical route they'd take. Mutants HAVE to be a race that's always been there in the MCU. But then of course they'd have to explain where were they doing when the planet was attacked numerous times. Especially what happened during the NY Battles

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