Current Events > We're not promo'ing you but please do 3x the work and train 4 noobs kthxbye

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If you do a good job, maybe well promote you when you get back from leave

lol fuck this noise

Being asked to do another recruiters entire workload on top of mine (3 people quit), plus take on another role from another recruiter, while training 4 new people, 3 of which have no experience whatsoever, so they can take over highly technical/difficult searches while Im on mat leave and maybe the hiring teams might like them so much we can find you something else when you get back or you can choose to take those back

They dont know anything about tech in any capacity. No understanding of market trends, no understanding of basic concepts like frontend vs backend, SDLC, Agile, distributed systems, cloud, analytics, etc. What is UI/UX, what do designers do, what do PMs do. Dont know what live products are and need examples. But they will be working on complex software engineering, data scientist, analytics and PM searches, some at the Manager and Principal levels. Its just more obvious that they take me for granted if they think a few associates can do the job just fine.

Im just trying to make it look like Im putting some effort but honestly am pulling back more and more. I think deep down they know things are shit and Im most likely not coming back anyway. I dont think the rest of my team would be there anyway, things have shifted terribly since we merged.

Agile!
But yeah fuck taking in more work for a chance to be promoted
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Future_Trunks posted...

how many hours you work and what's the overall comp

Im salaried but usually no more than 40 before everyone quit. Now Id say Im at 50-60 while 7 months pregnant. Sitting at the desk all day until 6-7 pm is killing my back and my doc said I have bad anemia and not eating enough protein. Because I havent had the time to eat very well with the workload I have. Some days I just have enough time to toss something in the microwave for lunch and eat for 10 minutes. I just snack on crap during the day. Tried pushing back on the workload and all I get told is its just a few more weeks. Yeah no, my health right now is more important. So Im just going to start phoning it in and going to let stuff drop off where I can. This week was too much with the now added noobs they want me to train.

Overall comp is 145k in Southern California (130k base, 15k performance bonus).

Been there before, man. Fuck that noise

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TC how long ago did you tell them you were pregnant
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nothanks1 posted...

Agile!
But yeah fuck taking in more work for a chance to be promoted

They dangled the carrot for a full year and think they can pin me to do more before I go. Not happening. I know my worth in the industry. A recruiter with an actual engineering background is freaking gold to other companies. They can keep thinking associates with no experience can take over just fine. Ill let them pay me throughout leave and then I will go.

Future_Trunks posted...

and yeah working with new grads can be rough but at least if theyr'e GOOD Hires or at least have the right attitude and aptitude, then it's an investment for the team

Theyre not exactly new grads but come from other industries or have very little to no recruiting experience. Definitely no tech recruiting which is a separate thing. But theyre smart and eager and Im happy to help teach them. But this expectation that I can just spend a couple of months with them and theyll be just fine with my workload is whats hilarious to me. They dont even know recruiting, let alone tech. And that industry is fierce. They dont have the knowledge or experience to drive their hiring teams either. They think I make it seem easy but Im hard at work with educating my hiring teams and pushing them to do better to get the talent they want (that every other company who pays wayyyy more than we do also want).

But like you said, great investment for the team. They just want me to be the one doing the work in setting them up with very little incentive.

nothanks1 posted...

TC how long ago did you tell them you were pregnant

Around the beginning of second trimester. A few months now. Thats around when the talks about my promotion stopped too, unsurprisingly.

Lmao @ the visibility of their charade
It sucks but more than 3 months notice should be plenty of time to get someone hired and trained to at least hold down the Fort while you're on leave
Definitely start looking elsewhere tb
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As a general rule, being told to train someone else to do your job, means you're being replaced by that guy.

From this and your previous topic, they're definitely trying to take advantage of you at this point. It's gone beyond perhaps subpar management to outright shitting on you. Pursue work at a different company. At least they've made the decision easy on you.

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nothanks1 posted...

Lmao @ the visibility of their charade
It sucks but more than 3 months notice should be plenty of time to get someone hired and trained to at least hold down the Fort while you're on leave
Definitely start looking elsewhere tb

Yeah we hired someone else who starts next month who will take about half off my plate. Shes very experienced but again not in tech recruiting. So she will need a lot of ramping up too because shes getting one of the most complex orgs. Shell pick it up eventually though. But Im not going to put too much time in training people. Im at the point where I just point to our internal documents and have them self learn. Im also going to do very little recruiting the next few weeks. Im offloading to the noobs where I can.

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Im salaried so no OT for me. Theyve dangled a March bonus for me though to make up for no promo. But again, not risking my pregnancy further for something that isnt even a guarantee.

I work directly for the company. Im not on commission or anything. I handle everything on the administration side too, opening the reqs, posting, editing job descriptions, hiring and D&I strategies, compensation discussions, interview processes, offers, onboarding, side projects, etc. I do much, much more than your standard agency recruiter that just spams LinkedIn all day and hits up people that have nothing to do with the job.

Questionmarktarius posted...

As a general rule, being told to train someone else to do your job, means you're being replaced by that guy.

I will be on protected mat leave but I think they really doubt I will be coming back given the mass exodus of people leaving our function in recent weeks. Several managers also quit recently, its not just my team thats been impacted.

Cleo_II posted...

I will be on protected mat leave

You may think that, but don't be surprised when management "eliminates" your position about two days after you get back.

Questionmarktarius posted...

don't be surprised when management "eliminates" your position about two days after you get back.

they took her job :(.
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kingdrake2 posted...

they took her job :(.

If anything, it's been combined with some other job and thus had the job-title changed. Also it's probably being done by "Bob" in Bangladesh now.

Second thought
keep the job
bring baby to work
bring crying baby to every meeting with management
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Maternity leave is "causing trouble".

Cleo_II posted...

I will be on protected mat leave but I think they really doubt I will be coming back given the mass exodus of people leaving our function in recent weeks. Several managers also quit recently, its not just my team thats been impacted.

Sounds very rough and unprofessional Cleo. Do you have a sense of why all the others quit recently?

Ruvan22 posted...

Do you have a sense of why all the others quit recently?

This gonna be good...

JustMyOpinion posted...

If I were you I'd probably take those other options you mentioned having just as soon as you get back from mat leave. My company has commited less egregious mistakes, but they are super slow to promote so why should I wait around 3 or 4 or 5 years to hopefully get promoted when other companies think I'm qualified to handle a promotion with a pay increase?

Exactly. Ive been in line for a promotion for almost 3 years now. But yeah I plan to reach out to my contacts near the end of my leave and start talks. Just talked to someone the other day at a fourth company who also just left and asked me point blank if I even planned to come back after leave with how shitty its been. She joked maybe well be working together again after all at her new company lol. Also have another friend Im talking to later today who also left and joined a really great company. Theyre much smaller and may not be hiring when Im ready to look but would love that opportunity if they ever have it. Have another friend who left and went to a start up. Many of my hiring managers who loved working with me also left. I built a really big network with people at my job so I have options lol

Questionmarktarius posted...

You may think that, but don't be surprised when management "eliminates" your position about two days after you get back.

Oh yes no question. They did that to a friend of mine who was also pregnant. She was a manager and when she came back they let her keep her title but essentially took her entire team away and assigned her one junior person to manage instead. She quit willingly but they purposely pushed her out. Then replaced her with another manager from the merging company.

But I dont plan on coming back. I just want my pay while Im gone for a few months.

Ruvan22 posted...

Sounds very rough and unprofessional Cleo. Do you have a sense of why all the others quit recently?

We used to be a mid sized tech company with a really awesome and laid back work culture. We werent super process and metrics driven. The kind of company that had fun parties, fun culture, easy going, etc.

We merged with another company known for being the complete opposite. Very corporate, metrics driven, process heavy, but not nearly as efficient, extremely tight on budget. Our recruiting team merged with theirs and all upper management was replaced by their people. I had already left in 2019 when I saw signs of a shift but was not yet aware that the merger was happening (they hid it). Our recruiting VP reached back out to me after a few months really wanting me to go back and promising to advocate for me and recognizing I wasnt getting what I needed from them. So I came back, and like 2 months later they replaced that VP with the other companies and she left so things went back to shit for me. Shes actually one of the people who reached out to me telling me if after mat leave Im not happy, to give her a call.

Cleo_II posted...

Shes actually one of the people who reached out to me telling me if after mat leave Im not happy, to give her a call.

This seems like an excellent idea.

Polish that resume.

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Lol just heard about someone else quitting. Not on my team but someone whos known to be awesome and will be a big loss to our org. Its a sinking ship.

Cleo_II posted...

We used to be a mid sized tech company with a really awesome and laid back work culture. We werent super process and metrics driven. The kind of company that had fun parties, fun culture, easy going, etc.

We merged with another company known for being the complete opposite. Very corporate, metrics driven, process heavy, but not nearly as efficient, extremely tight on budget. Our recruiting team merged with theirs and all upper management was replaced by their people. I had already left in 2019 when I saw signs of a shift but was not yet aware that the merger was happening (they hid it). Our recruiting VP reached back out to me after a few months really wanting me to go back and promising to advocate for me and recognizing I wasnt getting what I needed from them. So I came back, and like 2 months later they replaced that VP with the other companies and she left so things went back to shit for me. Shes actually one of the people who reached out to me telling me if after mat leave Im not happy, to give her a call.

Wow that's like something out of fiction :o

Had enough carrots dangled in front of me to say... fuck em all.

Good luck.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Also it's probably being done by "Bob" in Bangladesh now.

damnit india.
birth place of the scam callers. got nothing else to work for.
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Cleo get what you've earned. You're a rock star.

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They dont know anything about tech in any capacity. No understanding of market trends, no understanding of basic concepts like frontend vs backend, SDLC, Agile, distributed systems, cloud, analytics, etc. What is UI/UX, what do designers do, what do PMs do. Dont know what live products are and need examples. But they will be working on complex software engineering, data scientist, analytics and PM searches, some at the Manager and Principal levels. Its just more obvious that they take me for granted if they think a few associates can do the job just fine.

46 years of publication and there are still companies running afoul of Fred Brooks' essays on software project management.

With that said, the company sounds terribly inept and exploitative.

I'm not sure what formalities and tradeoffs may be associated with quitting immediately, but by all means do so if it's taking a toll on your health situation and they're neglecting your concerns.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Wow that's like something out of fiction :o

Id say its often what happens after mergers. Ive spoken to so many candidates who were happy at their companies until they got acquired. New company takes over, pushes everyone out and then replaces them with cheaper or offshore talent. I think they might be looking to push me out as well. Im pretty expensive and I know the new company pays a ton less.

CE_gonna_CE posted...

Had enough carrots dangled in front of me to say... fuck em all.

Good luck.

Thanks!

CyricZ posted...

Cleo get what you've earned. You're a rock star.

Thank you Cyric! Just going to try and keep the charade for 2 more months.

TheMikh posted...

46 years of publication and there are still companies running afoul of Fred Brooks' essays on software project management.

With that said, the company sounds terribly inept and exploitative.

I'm not sure what formalities and tradeoffs may be associated with quitting immediately, but by all means do so if it's taking a toll on your health situation and they're neglecting your concerns.

Yes they are known to be terrible. If I posted the name of the company, most people would recognize it as one of having a terrible reputation. I know our direct managers tried their best to tell us that everything will be ok and why it was good news, but its obviously a mess. I heard through the grapevine my boss is unhappy too just cant find anything else yet.

Luckily Im remote so Im attempting to push back on things and also do just enough work to fly under the radar. I can get 4 months of fully paid leave (trying to see if I can add more sick time to make it longer) so its not worth quitting right now.

Cleo_II posted...

If I posted the name of the company, most people would recognize it as one of having a terrible reputation.

Sprint?
Bethesda?
CBS All Access?
WWE Network?
Gamespot?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Sprint?
Bethesda?
CBS All Access?
WWE Network?
Gamespot?

Getting warmer but wont say more lol