Current Events > Is star trek enterprise a bad show, or just a bad star trek show?

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I've been watching star trek in broadcast order for a few years now and I'm almost finished with Voyager.

I often hear I should skip enterprise because it's not great.

I don't know much other than it's a prequel to TOS, more in the drama side than sci fi, and when I watched the intro I wouldn't have guessed it was anything related to star trek.

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I've not watched it.

But FWIW, all of the complaints I've heard about it are about the quality. It's not like Discovery or Picard where people complain about it completely missing the point of Star Trek.

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The only good thing about it is Sato
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IIRC none of the new star trek series even acknowledge it's existence either.

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It's okay.

I've mellowed A LOT on it after Picard, Discovery and Abhram's movies.

But it's not great and a huge drop in quality compared to DS9

It had some good episodes tho.

Shran was a great character and the Andorian/Vulcan arc was great and felt like real Trek

Honestly you may as well just look up all of Shran's episodes, watch them and never look at the series again. He was going to become a regular cast member if series 5 got commisioned (it didn't)

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Will_VIIII posted...

IIRC none of the new star trek series even acknowledge it's existence either.

Not true. Discovery has referenced it

And The Abrhams movie had a line about Scotty murdering Archer's dog

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So far DS9 is my favorite series

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Will_VIIII posted...

So far DS9 is my favorite series

My fave is TNG but I think DS9 at it's best is on par if not better

My fave Star Trek episode of all time is from DS9

And Bashir, O'Brien, Garak are top tier characters in all of TV, not just Star Trek

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It's fine. Not like we talking STD.

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I figure I could just abandon it if I dislike it, but it'd save a few hours if I knew it was overwhelmingly considered terrible

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Will_VIIII posted...

I figure I could just abandon it if I dislike it, but it'd save a few hours if I knew it was overwhelmingly considered terrible

Did you see Voyager?

It's only slightly worse than Voyager.

Also do note that like most Star Trek, series 1 is the weakest.

At the very least I was serious when I said check out the Shran episodes.

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halfway through season 7 on Voyager, then I'll watch Nemesis

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I'm actually rewatching ENT right now. Somehow I find myself enjoying it more than before. Maybe the fact that it's less eventful than the average DS9 and VOY episode and focuses more on "we're doing this stuff for the first time with no precedent, how do we solve this?" makes it more soothing to watch.
Also kinda reminds me of the series SeaQuest in that regard ('member SeaQuest? 'member Darwin? Oh, I loved Darwin! )

But you know that's probably just, like, my opinion, man.
Anyway, ENT seasons 3 & 4 are definitely much better and more exciting overall, so be sure to watch that. Also, season 3 encompasses a full-season storyline that starts with the final episode of season 2.

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I know when it came out, people were bitching that they weren't "acting like starfleet officers would". No kidding, there is no starfleet yet and they are the first people out there.

It is a show I really enjoyed. Only complaint was the series finale. They set it up with Riker as a framing device, going over their mission in a holodeck. Had the feel of a backdoor pilot from TNG than a proper Enterprise episode.

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loafy013 posted...

I know when it came out, people were bitching that they weren't "acting like starfleet officers would". No kidding, there is no starfleet yet and they are the first people out there.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

It wasn't "They're not acting like Geordi La Forge." everyone loved DS9's gray areas

The issue was they don't act or sound like they are from the same universe that Star Trek takes place in. Literally half the show is a giant metaphor for 9-11 and the American attitude towards it.

It seems silly now because Picard and Discovery and Abrhams are so much worse in that regard. But TNG/Voyager and DS9 all felt like the same universe. TOS didn't I admit.

ENT felt like "Let's just do a generic sci-fi show and throw Star Trek Pronouns on it." a lot of the time.

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If you can slog through VOY then you can easily watch ENT, when it hits its stride and gets good you have some of the best in ST.

VOY never had anything that impressed me, ENT has all of season 4, most of season 3, a little in season 2 that is good.

TNG, DS9, and ENT were good, VOY is just there but still better then STD or PIC.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The issue was they don't act or sound like they are from the same universe that Star Trek takes place in. Literally half the show is a giant metaphor for 9-11 and the American attitude towards it.

That's exactly it. This isn't the star trek universe everybody knows. It doesn't exist yet. Remember, it takes place like 100 years before the original series. Makes sense to me that human's aren't all peaceful and benevolent yet.

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The first couple of seasons are genuinely bad - their hands were a bit tied in terms of villains/storylines they could use because they had to work with what is established in TOS (our characters can never see a Romulan because Kirk and co saw a Romulan for the first time a hundred years later, etc.), but they still bollocksed it by introducing a new race as the "main" rivals who were just... dull (not quite Kazon level, but not far off...); by having a nonsensical overarching plot that was driven by a mystery that they were making up as they went along and had no answer to at the start, and that ultimately they just dropped when they came up with more interesting arcs rather than trying to tie it up properly, despite it being the driving force for half the series; and by - rather than trying anything new in the genuinely interesting setting they'd given themselves - falling back on 90s Trek mainstays like Ferengi and Borg, complete with ridiculous and contrived ass-pulls to explain away how these "don't damage the continuity, honest" (to be fair, they do pull it off with the Borg episode) - this latter point being especially galling in that, by even dropping "Star Trek" itself from the title in the first few seasons they were really trying to establish that this show would be different, so seeing them tie themselves up in narrative knots to allow themselves to be just the same is frustrating.

If you look at the plans they had for the early seasons in the concept stage, it really could have been something special - the Enterprise launching for the first time was originally conceived as the end of season cliffhanger for season one, and the idea was that it was going to be a super risky/scary mission just by virtue of being our first foray into deep space, with every little manoeuvre and bit of TrekTech we take for granted being instead uncharted waters (they make the transporter seem new and scary in the pilot, at least, but that's how it was meant to be for everything). Instead though, we only really know it's in the past because the uniforms are different and the ship is less shiny.

That said, the back two seasons are genuinely excellent - the storyline that takes up all of season three is brilliant and feels very fresh, while the final season settles on a really good formula where it's made up of several smaller three-four episode arcs. It really hit its stride and was on course to be at least as well regarded as Voyager, but the axe fell and that was that - a shame, really, because the first few seasons of most of its contemporaryTrek shows weren't very good compared to what came later, so it wasn't like ENT having a bad start was something unusual, and it had definitely course corrected admirably.

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I just got done streaming all the series(except tos, discovery, and Picard).and while I still think its the weakest of the bunch, its not as bad as I remembered. If you are a fan of trek, you should watch it. Plus, tpol is hot.

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mustachedmystic posted...

I just got done streaming all the series(except tos, discovery, and Picard).and while I still think its the weakest of the bunch, its not as bad as I remembered. If you are a fan of trek, you should watch it. Plus, tpol is hot.

Had the best looking uniforms

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It's no TNG but it's a very enjoyable Star Trek imo. Good characters, interesting time period and storyline leading up to the Federation of Planets. I think Archer is probably the worst part about it, and that's a pretty big strike against a Star Trek, a weak captain, but I enjoyed the show very much.

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nexigrams posted...

It's no TNG but it's a very enjoyable Star Trek imo. Good characters, interesting time period and storyline leading up to the Federation of Planets. I think Archer is probably the worst part about it, and that's a pretty big strike against a Star Trek, a weak captain, but I enjoyed the show very much.

See the only captain I like more than Archer is Sisko, fucking hated the doctor though and the angry vulkins thing was weird.

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ZeroX91 posted...

angry vulkins thing was weird.

They had a plan for that, but show was cancelled before it panned out. T'Pol was going to find out her father was actually a Romulan spy.

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