Current Events > How did George W. Bush gets two terms but not Trump?

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Virtual_Console
01/19/21 2:30:54 PM
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Can anyone explain why?

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:31:42 PM
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Because he successfully stole the election while Trump failed to steal the election.

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philsov
01/19/21 2:31:55 PM
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the majority of voters reelected bush
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Virtual_Console
01/19/21 2:34:21 PM
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philsov posted...
the majority of voters reelected bush

No they didnt. Bush was fairly unpopular at the time.

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Antifar
01/19/21 2:36:34 PM
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Virtual_Console posted...
No they didnt. Bush was fairly unpopular at the time.
His approval rating was just above water in October 2004
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx

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ButteryMales
01/19/21 2:37:03 PM
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He stole his first term.
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AllegraD
01/19/21 2:37:18 PM
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They cheated Ohio in 2004 election and he won Ohio and thus the Presidency.

Simple. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:37:30 PM
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Bush started a war and then used "DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CHANGE PRESIDENT IN THE MIDDLE OF WAR" and it was super effective

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BeyondWalls
01/19/21 2:38:36 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Bush started a war and then used "DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CHANGE PRESIDENT IN THE MIDDLE OF WAR" and it was super effective
It usually is.

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Duncanwii
01/19/21 2:38:47 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Bush started a war

The terrorists that killed 2000 people started the war.
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AllegraD
01/19/21 2:39:23 PM
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They killed 3000 people, actually. 2978.

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monkmith
01/19/21 2:39:42 PM
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god, remember swiftboating?

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K181
01/19/21 2:40:16 PM
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He had something like a 90% approval rating after 9/11 and in the immediate start of the Afghan War. Bleedover from that coupled with a fairly weak Dem nominee allowed him to eek out a win in 2004.

Meanwhile, Trump maybe hit 50% approval very briefly and was in the low 40s for most of his administration. The bigger question is why didn't he lose by even more than he did?

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:40:24 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
The terrorists that killed 2000 people started the war.

That's funny because we didn't have a war with the terrorists that killed those thousands of people we attacked Saddam Hussein for no fucking reason.

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philsov
01/19/21 2:41:24 PM
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Virtual_Console posted...
No they didnt.


Shut the fuck up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_elections

Bush won both popular vote and electoral college. The majority of voters reelected Bush.
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K181
01/19/21 2:42:22 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
we didn't go to war with Afghanistan

.... what?

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furb
01/19/21 2:44:44 PM
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He was very popular after 9/11. He had professional and well ran campaign regardless of alleged foul play. Guys like Cheney and Rove are S tier political strategists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush#/media/File:George_W_Bush_approval_ratings_with_events.svg

He maintained pretty decent approval ratings going into the election.

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Bleuets
01/19/21 2:45:08 PM
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Bush was up against a very unlikable candidate.
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Irony
01/19/21 2:45:35 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
The terrorists that killed 2000 people started the war.
Then why did with go to war with someone not them until Obama?

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AllegraD
01/19/21 2:46:36 PM
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Crono99 posted...
The Bin Laden tape at the last minute


Didn't matter that much. They stole Ohio.

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:47:28 PM
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Crono99 posted...
The Bin Laden tape at the last minute

The character assassination of John Kerry at the time was machiavellian.
Swiftboat Veterans for Truth is actually still around you know. They're using a new name but it's the same people same organization. It's called "Project Veritas"

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ButteryMales
01/19/21 2:49:10 PM
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Trump would have won if he treated covid seriously and gave out proper relief.
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nativengine
01/19/21 2:49:42 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
we didn't go to war with Afghanistan,
So my armed forces buddies and coworkers went somewhere else?

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Irony
01/19/21 2:50:05 PM
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nativengine posted...
So my armed forces buddies and coworkers went somewhere else?
After 2000 probably Iraq

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monkmith
01/19/21 2:51:03 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Trump would have won if he treated covid seriously and gave out proper relief.
lol, when has he treated anything seriously? remember when he went to one of the worst natural disasters of the decade and started throwing out paper towels like a hype man for a band?

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:51:30 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Trump would have won if he treated covid seriously and gave out proper relief.

Trump would have won if he was (insert thing that only someone who is not Trump would do) yeah probably.

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Solid Sonic
01/19/21 2:51:55 PM
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Because Bush wasn't actively undermining what people in his own country wanted, just how we appeared to the rest of the world. I don't feel like he moved the needle that much as far as domestic issues are concerned.

Plus you have to remember he's the president who guided us through 9/11. That has a lot of weight.

If the economy bottomed out in his first term that might have done it but that didn't happen until the tail end of his lame duck period.

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furb
01/19/21 2:52:47 PM
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I'm not sure what the argument about Afghanistan is trying to prove.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan

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Kaldrenthebold
01/19/21 2:52:51 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
The terrorists that killed 2000 people started the war.

You've already been dunked on enough in this topic but one more can't hurt.

Do you know anything about history or are you just being stupid on purpose?

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nfearurspecimn
01/19/21 2:54:26 PM
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Because at least despite there being funny Bushisms, GWB at least ACTED presidential and didn't have a meltdown every single day about anything that didn't go his way.

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Orchestrion
01/19/21 2:55:06 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
The terrorists that killed 2000 people started the war.

Why do you even bother making posts about global politics

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monkmith
01/19/21 2:56:36 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
Because at least despite there being funny Bushisms, GWB at least ACTED presidential and didn't have a meltdown every single day about anything that didn't go his way.
could you imagine trump going to a mosque near 'ground zero' after 9/11 and declaring that they were not the face of terror?

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nativengine
01/19/21 2:56:57 PM
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Irony posted...
After 2000 probably Iraq
Youd be wrong.

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PatrickMahomes
01/19/21 2:58:21 PM
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covid is literally the only reason trump lost

EDIT: Not defending, just stating a fact

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Graycap
01/19/21 2:59:09 PM
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Bush convinced people he was handling the national crises of the time.

Trump pretended they didn't exist half the time.
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ButteryMales
01/19/21 3:00:26 PM
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monkmith posted...
lol, when has he treated anything seriously? remember when he went to one of the worst natural disasters of the decade and started throwing out paper towels like a hype man for a band?

Tyranthraxus posted...
Trump would have won if he was (insert thing that only someone who is not Trump would do) yeah probably.
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Kaldrenthebold
01/19/21 3:02:32 PM
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metallica846 posted...
Did you just reply to a Duncan post?

Should I not? I guess I'll have to tag appropriately.

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Norman_Smiley
01/19/21 3:04:54 PM
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Cuz fool him once, shame on you. Fool him twice, well, he wont get fooled again.

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ultimate reaver
01/19/21 3:11:44 PM
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Attitudes against Iraq hadn't fully solidified as being an utter mess yet + democrats were way less rallied than they were this election cycle

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ZeroX91
01/19/21 3:23:43 PM
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https://youtu.be/Zj6rMcVNQbw

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Virtual_Console
01/19/21 4:26:04 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
covid is literally the only reason trump lost

EDIT: Not defending, just stating a fact

So how come Bush won with 9/11 but Trump lost with Covid?

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ModLogic
01/19/21 4:29:01 PM
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Virtual_Console posted...
Can anyone explain why?
bush fucked up other countries. trump fucked up USA.


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sk8r_ryan
01/19/21 4:30:18 PM
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Antifar posted...
His approval rating was just above water in October 2004
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
Yeah I don't know about you guys but I definitely approve of water.

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FL81
01/19/21 4:33:09 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Because he successfully stole the election
AllegraD posted...
They cheated Ohio in 2004 election and he won Ohio and thus the Presidency.
imagine unironically peddling election fraud conspiracy theories

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David1988
01/19/21 4:34:46 PM
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He cheated, obviously. There was cheating in the US elections in 2000, 2004, and even in 2016 when Trump won. However, thankfully there was no cheating in 2020 at all

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