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Bio1590 01/19/21 11:38:31 AM #1:	https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ice-paul-pierrilu-deport-haiti-trump-b1789419.html US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is planning to deport a man to Haiti who is not a Haitian citizen and who has never been there, according to a report. Paul Pierrilus, a 40-year-old financial consultant from Rockland County, New York, will be deported on a plane bound for Haiti on Tuesday, The Guardian reported. According to a birth certificate said to have been supplied to the outlet by his family, Mr Pierrilus was born in the French Caribbean territory of Saint Martin and reportedly came to the US with his parents when he was five. His sister and parents are US citizens. Mr Pierrilus was seized on 11 January after he attended what he assumed was a routine visit at the immigration office on Federal Plaza in Manhattan, his sister, Neomie Pierrilus, told the newspaper. He went there for the appointment and while he was there, he was detained, and he was informed that they have documents stating that hes a Haitian citizen, Ms Pierrilus said. The 40-year-old is said to have told his family he was being transferred to an ICE holding facility in Alexandria, Louisiana. Ms Pierrilus explained that their parents were Haitian but had never applied for her brothers Haitian citizenship and said that the family does not understand how documents were obtained to say that he had been. My brother has never even been to Haiti, Ms Pierrilus said. He has the bare minimum of the language, he doesnt know the culture, he doesnt know anyone there. So my brother cannot go there. Ms Pierrilus reportedly supplied copies of emails to the outlet last year from the then Haitian ambassador, Herv Denis, confirming that her brother was not a Haitian citizen. She said their parents were Haitian but never applied for Pauls Haitian citizenship and his birth in Saint Martin did not confer to French citizenship either. Human rights advocates have accused the Trump administration of pushing through a flurry of deportations of Black migrants in their final days in power. Sending him to Haiti, first of all, is not legal, Guerline Jozef, head of the community group Haitian Bridge Alliance, told the newspaper. And with whats going on in Haiti right now, there is no way they should be deporting people there period, especially him because he is not Haitian, has never been there and has no connections there. So they cannot just drop him at the airport. ICE did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Independent. Following his Inauguration on 20 January, President-elect Joe Biden has said he intends to roll back the Trump administrations aggressive push for deportations and detentions of undocumented immigrants. The president-elect plans to immediately unveil a sweeping immigration bill administration, hoping to provide an eight-year path to citizenship to those living in the US without legal status. During his election run, Mr Biden called Mr Trumps actions on immigration an unrelenting assault on American values and said he would undo the damage while continuing to maintain border enforcement. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:949675255] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ice-paul-pierrilu-deport-haiti-trump-b1789419.html <quote>US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is planning to deport a man to Haiti who is not a Haitian citizen and who has never been there, according to a report. Paul Pierrilus, a 40-year-old financial consultant from Rockland County, New York, will be deported on a plane bound for Haiti on Tuesday, The Guardian reported. According to a birth certificate said to have been supplied to the outlet by his family, Mr Pierrilus was born in the French Caribbean territory of Saint Martin and reportedly came to the US with his parents when he was five. His sister and parents are US citizens. Mr Pierrilus was seized on 11 January after he attended what he assumed was a routine visit at the immigration office on Federal Plaza in Manhattan, his sister, Neomie Pierrilus, told the newspaper. He went there for the appointment and while he was there, he was detained, and he was informed that they have documents stating that hes a Haitian citizen, Ms Pierrilus said. The 40-year-old is said to have told his family he was being transferred to an ICE holding facility in Alexandria, Louisiana. Ms Pierrilus explained that their parents were Haitian but had never applied for her brothers Haitian citizenship and said that the family does not understand how documents were obtained to say that he had been. My brother has never even been to Haiti, Ms Pierrilus said. He has the bare minimum of the language, he doesnt know the culture, he doesnt know anyone there. So my brother cannot go there. Ms Pierrilus reportedly supplied copies of emails to the outlet last year from the then Haitian ambassador, Herv Denis, confirming that her brother was not a Haitian citizen. She said their parents were Haitian but never applied for Pauls Haitian citizenship and his birth in Saint Martin did not confer to French citizenship either. Human rights advocates have accused the Trump administration of pushing through a flurry of deportations of Black migrants in their final days in power. Sending him to Haiti, first of all, is not legal, Guerline Jozef, head of the community group Haitian Bridge Alliance, told the newspaper. And with whats going on in Haiti right now, there is no way they should be deporting people there period, especially him because he is not Haitian, has never been there and has no connections there. So they cannot just drop him at the airport. ICE did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Independent. Following his Inauguration on 20 January, President-elect Joe Biden has said he intends to roll back the Trump administrations aggressive push for deportations and detentions of undocumented immigrants. The president-elect plans to immediately unveil a sweeping immigration bill administration, hoping to provide an eight-year path to citizenship to those living in the US without legal status. During his election run, Mr Biden called Mr Trumps actions on immigration an unrelenting assault on American values and said he would undo the damage while continuing to maintain border enforcement.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HBKick18 01/19/21 11:41:01 AM #2:	I wish biden wasn't such a pussy and would dismantle ice day 1. --- Proud fan of the worst team in American professional sports history: the Chicago Cubs. <cite>HBKick18 posted [p:949675319] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>I wish biden wasn't such a pussy and would dismantle ice day 1. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 01/19/21 11:41:28 AM #3:	Abolish ICE immediately. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:949675336] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Abolish ICE immediately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 01/19/21 11:43:58 AM #4:	van Spronsen did nothing wrong. --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:949675417] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>van Spronsen did nothing wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/19/21 11:44:07 AM #5:	How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him? <cite>Zikten posted [p:949675421] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DocDelicious 01/19/21 11:47:43 AM #7:	So they cannot just drop him at the airport. They can, and will, and once he's on the ground he'll be forgotten. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:949675537] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote><quote>So they cannot just drop him at the airport.</quote> They can, and will, and once he's on the ground he'll be forgotten. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 01/19/21 11:47:50 AM #8:	imagine working for ICE --- https://imgur.com/LAvnefi <cite>E32005 posted [p:949675541] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>imagine working for ICE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 01/19/21 11:48:09 AM #9:	Zikten posted... How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him? That would make him a stateless person which is a blatant human rights violation. Not that ICE cares about things like law. They care about legalism in service of cruelty and are willing to break the law to get that delicious cruelty. Oh and to secure a whiter country. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:949675548] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him?</quote> That would make him a stateless person which is a blatant human rights violation. Not that ICE cares about things like law. They care about legalism in service of cruelty and are willing to break the law to get that delicious cruelty. Oh and to secure a whiter country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 01/19/21 11:49:54 AM #10:	legendary_zell posted... Abolish ICE immediately. Remember when everyone was like "Abolish INS immediately" and they did, and then they formed ICE to replace it? Good times... --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/FKDXbHs <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:949675606] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Abolish ICE immediately.</quote>Remember when everyone was like "Abolish INS immediately" and they did, and then they formed ICE to replace it? Good times... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 01/19/21 11:49:56 AM #11:	legendary_zell posted... That would make him a stateless person which is a blatant human rights violation should add that to the trump charges when he's being convicted. he's the one who's fast tracking some illegals before he's kicked out of office. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:949675607] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>That would make him a stateless person which is a blatant human rights violation</quote> should add that to the trump charges when he's being convicted. he's the one who's fast tracking some illegals before he's kicked out of office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 01/19/21 11:52:25 AM #12:	What happens if Haiti deports him back? --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:949675689] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>What happens if Haiti deports him back? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 01/19/21 11:53:17 AM #13:	Were_Wyrm posted... Remember when everyone was like "Abolish INS immediately" and they did, and then they formed ICE to replace it? Good times... This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:949675718] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite> <quote>Remember when everyone was like "Abolish INS immediately" and they did, and then they formed ICE to replace it? Good times...</quote>This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/19/21 11:55:07 AM #14:	The cruelty is the point. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:949675766] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>The cruelty is the point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 01/19/21 11:55:25 AM #15:	B-b-but ice t told me this admin were the good guys! --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:949675775] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote> B-b-but ice t told me this admin were the good guys! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 01/19/21 11:57:00 AM #16:	Zikten posted... How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him? I think that depends. I'm not sure how the US' laws work in this instance but I remember the UK government wanted to deport one of the girls that ran off and joined ISIS to Bangladesh, despite her having been born and raised in the UK, being a UK citizen, never having been to Bangladesh, and not having Bengali citizenship. According to the UK government this was "valid" because her parents having Bengali citizenship made her eligible for Bengali citizenship, which in their view meant stripping her of her UK citizenship and shipping her off to Bangladesh wouldn't violate any international laws. Bangladesh, of course, told them to fuck right off. I know how it's phrased in the article but it makes me wonder if something similar is the "logic" ICE is following. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:949675818] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>How can you even deport someone to a nation they are not a citizen of? I thought that was illegal and impossible. What if Haiti rejects him?</quote> I think that depends. I'm not sure how the US' laws work in this instance but I remember the UK government wanted to deport one of the girls that ran off and joined ISIS to Bangladesh, despite her having been born and raised in the UK, being a UK citizen, never having been to Bangladesh, and not having Bengali citizenship. According to the UK government this was "valid" because her parents having Bengali citizenship made her eligible for Bengali citizenship, which in their view meant stripping her of her UK citizenship and shipping her off to Bangladesh wouldn't violate any international laws. Bangladesh, of course, told them to fuck right off. I know how it's phrased in the article but it makes me wonder if something similar is the "logic" ICE is following.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FantasticAssGas 01/19/21 11:58:13 AM #17:	He probably haites it there... <cite>FantasticAssGas posted [p:949675852] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>He probably haites it there... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coloradough 01/19/21 12:00:35 PM #19:	I couldn't watch that ICE doc on netflix, the ice cops sounded exactly like nazi guards "Well someone's gotta do it you gotta learn to ignore the bad stuff" wtf --- Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, even to those who are perverse - The Holy Bible <cite>Coloradough posted [p:949675936] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>I couldn't watch that ICE doc on netflix, the ice cops sounded exactly like nazi guards "Well someone's gotta do it you gotta learn to ignore the bad stuff" wtf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/19/21 12:00:45 PM #20:	Bio1590 posted... I think that depends. I'm not sure how the US' laws work in this instance but I remember the UK government wanted to deport one of the girls that ran off and joined ISIS to Bangladesh, despite her having been born and raised in the UK, being a UK citizen, never having been to Bangladesh, and not having Bengali citizenship. According to the UK government this was "valid" because her parents having Bengali citizenship made her eligible for Bengali citizenship, which in their view meant stripping her of her UK citizenship and shipping her off to Bangladesh wouldn't violate any international laws. Bangladesh, of course, told them to fuck right off. I know how it's phrased in the article but it makes me wonder if something similar is the "logic" ICE is following. It sounds like in this case that ICE is either lying or they made some clerical mistake. His entire family swears he was borb in a country called Saint Martin and has never been to Haiti even as a baby. They shouldn't deport him at all but if they do it should be to Saint Martin not Haiti <cite>Zikten posted [p:949675948] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote> I think that depends. I'm not sure how the US' laws work in this instance but I remember the UK government wanted to deport one of the girls that ran off and joined ISIS to Bangladesh, despite her having been born and raised in the UK, being a UK citizen, never having been to Bangladesh, and not having Bengali citizenship. According to the UK government this was "valid" because her parents having Bengali citizenship made her eligible for Bengali citizenship, which in their view meant stripping her of her UK citizenship and shipping her off to Bangladesh wouldn't violate any international laws. Bangladesh, of course, told them to fuck right off. I know how it's phrased in the article but it makes me wonder if something similar is the "logic" ICE is following.</quote> It sounds like in this case that ICE is either lying or they made some clerical mistake. His entire family swears he was borb in a country called Saint Martin and has never been to Haiti even as a baby. They shouldn't deport him at all but if they do it should be to Saint Martin not Haiti</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 01/19/21 12:00:47 PM #21:	For a legality standpoint, the big sticking point would be if his parents were citizens before he was born. Which they probably werent, but like the above post says, the article isnt clear. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:949675951] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>For a legality standpoint, the big sticking point would be if his parents were citizens before he was born. Which they probably werent, but like the above post says, the article isnt clear. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 01/19/21 12:08:46 PM #22:	Okay yeah wait, the girl I'm thinking of is the one that was stuck in a refugee camp in Syria. She was stripped of her UK citizenship and their argument was that she's eligible for Bengali citizenship through her mom so they are allowed to do it. Apparently the international law covering this says a person must have secondary citizenship or be eligible for another citizenship for this to be done. So I wonder if that's what's being done here and his sister misinterpreted what kind of documents ICE produced? Either way deporting someone to somewhere they've never lived, can't speak of the language of, and don't know the culture is beyond cruel. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:949676201] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Okay yeah wait, the girl I'm thinking of is the one that was stuck in a refugee camp in Syria. She was stripped of her UK citizenship and their argument was that she's eligible for Bengali citizenship through her mom so they are allowed to do it. Apparently the international law covering this says a person must have secondary citizenship or be eligible for another citizenship for this to be done. So I wonder if that's what's being done here and his sister misinterpreted what kind of documents ICE produced? Either way deporting someone to somewhere they've never lived, can't speak of the language of, and don't know the culture is beyond cruel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 01/19/21 12:12:18 PM #23:	Highly recommend people watch the Netflix documentary on our immigration. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:949676317] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Highly recommend people watch the Netflix documentary on our immigration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 01/19/21 12:13:14 PM #24:	Coloradough posted... I couldn't watch that ICE doc on netflix, the ice cops sounded exactly like nazi guards "Well someone's gotta do it you gotta learn to ignore the bad stuff" wtf Theres a few brief moments of happiness but mostly negative. It also shows ICEs tactics so you know what to look out for <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:949676344] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>Coloradough posted...</cite> <quote>I couldn't watch that ICE doc on netflix, the ice cops sounded exactly like nazi guards "Well someone's gotta do it you gotta learn to ignore the bad stuff" wtf </quote> Theres a few brief moments of happiness but mostly negative. It also shows ICEs tactics so you know what to look out for</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 01/19/21 1:40:15 PM #25:	CruelBuffalo posted... Highly recommend people watch the Netflix documentary on our immigration. netflix documentary made from trees we're pissed off for nothing. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:949679333] in ICE to dep... [t:79247781]...</cite> <quote>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>Highly recommend people watch the Netflix documentary on our immigration.</quote> netflix documentary made from trees we're pissed off for nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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