Current Events > I love how everyone says self driving vehicles are the future

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Especially in regards to trucks

Self driving trucks will NEVER be a thing, and even if by some miracle they did, they would replace precisely 0 trucking jobs, there's too many variables that an autonomous truck will never be able to do, there will always have to be a human in the seat

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of all the things I ever could have expected someone to rebut self driving vehicles with this was not one of them

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AlBundy33 posted...

Self driving trucks will NEVER be a thing

I hope not. Im studying to become a truck driver

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AlBundy33 posted...

Self driving trucks will NEVER be a thing

You do know that "NEVER" is a very long time right?

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I'm pretty sure self driving trucks are already in testing on the road. Even if you have to have a human in the seat, the ability for a vehicle to drive itself for the vast majority of long trips is incredibly helpful.

I normally get driver's fatigue if I'm just driving from San Antonio to Austin. If I let the car do the vast majority of the driving, I'm way less stressed and fatigued at the end of the trip. I'd imagine that would extend to the longer trips that truck drivers take, too.

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1700s: Imagine a force that would just light everything up while not being as dangerous as fire. Nah that could never happen.

1800s: Imagine a box where you could watch people in real time from across the world. Nah that could never happen.

1950s: Imagine being able to not just watch people but interact with them in real time across the world. Nah that could never happen.

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DepreceV2 posted...

You do know that "NEVER" is a very long time right?

Yep. What I said is still 100% fact, there's things that an autonomous vehicle can not do

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the weird thing is, driverless cars sorta exist already. Adaptive cruise control combine with lane keep assist, I could literally take a nap on the highway and have no incidents.

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AlBundy33 posted...

Yep. What I said is still 100% fact, there's things that an autonomous vehicle can not do

Even with that, self driving vehicles are incredibly useful even if you have to have a human driver in the seat.

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The_Office_pwnz posted...

the weird thing is, driverless cars sorta exist already. Adaptive cruise control combine with lane keep assist, I could literally take a nap on the highway and have no incidents.

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Please pay attention anyway.

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AlBundy33 posted...

Yep. What I said is still 100% fact, there's things that an autonomous vehicle can not do

If we both lived forever I would bet everything I have that you would be wrong

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Self driving trucks already exist dude.

Sorry to break it to ya.

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If you could snap your fingers and make every vehicle on the road be self driving, there'd be a lot less crashes. Tech is imperfect, shit will happen, but vehicle deaths are one of the top killers of most age groups.

In reality, the tech will have to be near fucking perfect, and then it'll be a long transition.

CableZL posted...

I'm pretty sure self driving trucks are already in testing on the road. Even if you have to have a human in the seat, the ability for a vehicle to drive itself for the vast majority of long trips is incredibly helpful.

I normally get driver's fatigue if I'm just driving from San Antonio to Austin. If I let the car do the vast majority of the driving, I'm way less stressed and fatigued at the end of the trip. I'd imagine that would extend to the longer trips that truck drivers take, too.

They can test them all they want, there was a human in the seat, and there will always be one, and those tests weren't indicative of real world performance

Autonomous trucks can not chain its tires, it can't put fuel in itself, it can't defend itself from thieves, it can't go under an overpass that it's too small for, but by the time it figures that out it'll be too late, it can not connect/disconnect a trailer on its own, these are just a few examples

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Damn_Underscore posted...

1700s: Imagine a force that would just light everything up while not being as dangerous as fire. Nah that could never happen.

1800s: Imagine a box where you could watch people in real time from across the world. Nah that could never happen.

1950s: Imagine being able to not just watch people but interact with them in real time across the world. Nah that could never happen.

ce: imagine having sex. nah that could never happen.

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They're already saying humans will stop being in the trucks sometime this year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless-trucks-being-tested-on-public-roads-60-minutes-2020-03-13/

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AlBundy33 posted...

They can test them all they want, there was a human in the seat, and there will always be one, and those tests weren't indicative of real world performance

Autonomous trucks can not chain its tires, it can't put fuel in itself, it can't defend itself from thieves, it can't go under an overpass that it's too small for, but by the time it figures that out it'll be too late, it can not connect/disconnect a trailer on its own, these are just a few examples

I bet you trucks can do all of this 500 years from now

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AlBundy33 posted...

They can test them all they want, there was a human in the seat, and there will always be one, and those tests weren't indicative of real world performance

Autonomous trucks can not chain its tires, it can't put fuel in itself, it can't defend itself from thieves, it can't go under an overpass that it's too small for, but by the time it figures that out it'll be too late, it can not connect/disconnect a trailer on its own, these are just a few examples

You're still ignoring the fact that the ability for the truck to drive itself is incredibly handy to a human driver. Driver fatigue is a real thing and a vehicle's ability to drive itself severely reduces that.

Self driving vehicles aren't meant to do everything by themselves. They're self-driving, not self maintaining. Bringing up the fact that they can't fuel/charge themselves or maintain themselves is dumb. Nobody is saying they can do those things.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

They're already saying humans will stop being in the trucks sometime this year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless-trucks-being-tested-on-public-roads-60-minutes-2020-03-13/

The companies say they're working on all these scenarios, but won't divulge business secrets

Translation: We have no idea, and it will not ever work


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AlBundy33 posted...

The companies say they're working on all these scenarios, but won't divulge business secrets

Translation: We have no idea, and it will not ever work

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AlBundy33 posted...

Especially in regards to trucks

Self driving trucks will NEVER be a thing, and even if by some miracle they did, they would replace precisely 0 trucking jobs, there's too many variables that an autonomous truck will never be able to do, there will always have to be a human in the seat

Instead of spouting out nonsense, why don't you give examples?

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CableZL posted...

You're still ignoring the fact that the ability for the truck to drive itself is incredibly handy to a human driver. Driver fatigue is a real thing and a vehicle's ability to drive itself severely reduces that.

Self driving vehicles aren't meant to do everything by themselves. They're self-driving, not self maintaining. Bringing up the fact that they can't fuel/charge themselves or maintain themselves is dumb. Nobody is saying they can do those things.

Im just alluding to the fact that everyone seems to think that autonomous trucks will have no driver in the truck, which is false, and will be false in perpetuity.

Assistant, not replacement

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AlBundy33 posted...

The companies say they're working on all these scenarios, but won't divulge business secrets

Translation: We have no idea, and it will not ever work

You really need this huh?

There will remain a need for humans in the truck on certain routes and the like but trucks will be predominantly self driven within our lifetimes. Thats fact.

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twitterfriends posted...

Instead of spouting out nonsense, why don't you give examples?

Post #14.

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AlBundy33 posted...

Autonomous trucks can not chain its tires, it can't put fuel in itself, it can't defend itself from thieves, it can't go under an overpass that it's too small for, but by the time it figures that out it'll be too late, it can not connect/disconnect a trailer on its own, these are just a few examples

Dunno about the tires. You can design fuel stations that with robotics that would fuel the trucks. The trucks certainly could be designed to defend themselves, though it would be safer to just make it hard to break into them. Actual human truck drivers try to go under overpasses that are too small and don't figure it out until it is too late. Connecting/disconnecting trailers is something that can definitely be automated.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

You really need this huh?

There will remain a need for humans in the truck on certain routes and the like but trucks will be predominantly self driven within our lifetimes. Thats fact.

Lets break this down:

1. There will remain a need for humans in the truck on certain routes - Fact: There will remain a need for humans in the truck on all routes, 100% of the time
2. But trucks will be predominately self driven within our lifetimes. Thats fact -No it is not fact, this is wrong, the tech has been here for quite a few years at this point, if it was going to happen, it would have happened already

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AlBundy33 posted...

Autonomous trucks can not chain its tires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2IQNsLuikw

AlBundy33 posted...

it can't put fuel in itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

AlBundy33 posted...

it can't defend itself from thieves

driverless truck doesn't need to stop, what thieves are there?

AlBundy33 posted...

it can't go under an overpass that it's too small for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_9rWH0p43A

seems like human drivers fuck that up already. autopilot would just need a GPS map telling them not to go there...

AlBundy33 posted...

it can not connect/disconnect a trailer on its own

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbishop1/2020/02/20/
outrider-brings-truck-automation-to-logistics-yards/?sh=6999210d4758

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AlBundy33 posted...

Im just alluding to the fact that everyone seems to think that autonomous trucks will have no driver in the truck, which is false, and will be false in perpetuity.

Assistant, not replacement

You said "Self driving trucks will NEVER" be a thing.

They already are a thing and they're in testing at the moment. Self driving doesn't mean "no human driver."

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It will be the norm. Not in our lifetime but to say it wont happen is laughable.

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SaltyWet posted...

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Please pay attention anyway.

well duh, i'm just saying. when i saw the tech in my prius it blew my mind. theres even a self parking thing but you need to control the speed. parks itself otherwise, its crazy

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monkmith posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2IQNsLuikw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

driverless truck doesn't need to stop, what thieves are there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_9rWH0p43A

seems like human drivers fuck that up already. autopilot would just need a GPS map telling them not to go there...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbishop1/2020/02/20/
outrider-brings-truck-automation-to-logistics-yards/?sh=6999210d4758

1. Thats a charger, for an electric vehicle, but sure, lets pump liquid through an electronic device, see how that works out
2. Breakdowns happen, trucks sitting waiting for a dock to be unloaded happens, fueling happens, plenty of opportunity for thieves
3. We call those morons
4. Just because the overpass says its 14 feet high, doesnt mean it is

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CableZL posted...

You said "Self driving trucks will NEVER" be a thing.

They already are a thing and they're in testing at the moment. Self driving doesn't mean "no human driver."

And like I said in a previous post, they can test them all they want, but those arent indicative of real world driving, and just because theyre testing them doesnt mean anything

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AlBundy33 posted...

And like I said in a previous post, they can test them all they want, but those arent indicative of real world driving, and just because theyre testing them doesnt mean anything

How are the tests not indicative of real-world driving? They're being tested on public roads. Intersections, turns, highway, city, traffic, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMXT-j6jns&feature=emb_logo

It sounds like you're just making bullshit up.

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CableZL posted...

How are the tests not indicative of real-world driving? They're being tested on public roads. Intersections, traffic, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMXT-j6jns&feature=emb_logo

It sounds like you're just making bullshit up.

That's what it sounds like to me too

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TC is so desperate to believe this for some reason that he won't see reality. Its weird.

They ain't replacing anyone working in the industry currently. Or even people getting into it in the near future. But you're throwing out these total denials and utterly wrong claims like you need this to be true the way you need to breathe.

The testing is being done on public roads in real world conditions dude. You're reaching so desperately.

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A more realistic prediction is that the NHTSA wouldn't allow self-driving vehicles on public roads without a human driver being present because of possible software/hardware failures and unforeseen scenarios that an autonomous system may not be able to react to properly.

But to say that "self driving vehicles are never going to be a thing" when they're already a thing and to claim that the testing doesn't reflect real-world driving when the testing is already being done in real-world conditions... Those are just idiotic arguments. Blatantly false.

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Hundreds of autonomous trucks will just go to a station where a handful of workers fuel and set it for tires

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AlBundy33 posted...

Especially in regards to trucks

Self driving trucks will NEVER be a thing, and even if by some miracle they did, they would replace precisely 0 trucking jobs, there's too many variables that an autonomous truck will never be able to do, there will always have to be a human in the seat

Here's the problem, even if there always has to be a human in the truck, do you think they'll get paid the same if they don't do any of the driving? I sure don't, it'll become an entry level job before long. Plus as others pointed out they are being tested without drivers.
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I think the big hurdle for self driving cars is insurance.
If a self driving car does crash, who pays? The car manufacturer? The IT company? The human will argue they had no control, so won't pay.

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If any job can be replaced by self-driving vehicles its probably a truck driver.

Theyre not exactly rocket surgeons.

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CraziestCal posted...

I think the big hurdle for self driving cars is insurance.
If a self driving car does crash, who pays? The car manufacturer? The IT company? The human will argue they had no control, so won't pay.

The way it's set up right now is that the driver is always responsible for the operation of the car whether the driver is actually driving or the car is driving itself.

In the case of Tesla, there have been a few cases where the driver has tried to blame autopilot for a crash, but Teslas have detailed logs about what goes on with the car. For example, the car keeps log messages with timestamps when:

• A door is opened/closed
• A window is rolled down/up
• The trunk is opened/closed
• The glove box is opened/closed
• You step on the brake
• You step on the accelerator
• The warning when you have your hands off the wheel for too long comes up

So Tesla has always been able to prove that the driver was being irresponsible when these cases come up.

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It would be cheaper for companies to get a worker who does the little stuff when needed. Whether or not they need to be in the truck to do those jobs I have no idea.

Like refuelling is a funny example. Would be much cheaper for companies to pay petrol stations a service fee to do that for them.

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I'd like to see a robot back up a semi truck with a trailer into a parking spot

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SSJKirby posted...

I'd like to see a robot back up a semi truck with a trailer into a parking spot

They'd probably do it better than human can tbh

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AlBundy33 posted...

, there's too many variables that an autonomous truck will never be able to do, there will always have to be a human in the seat

Yeah! Hows a computer going to fall asleep behind the wheel?

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One day we won't need roads to travel.

SSJKirby posted...

I'd like to see a robot back up a semi truck with a trailer into a parking spot

I think they'd be fine but thinking about it I wonder if the design of the truck would change.

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SSJKirby posted...

I'd like to see a robot back up a semi truck with a trailer into a parking spot

Fords literally have a button to do that with work trailers and fifth wheels so

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It's easy to imagine one guy being put in charge of multiple self driving trucks on one trip. Even if we need a person to monitor trips, I don't it would need to be one driver per truck.

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