Current Events > There has been a huge shift in DC Comics Canon (Spoilers)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWkqkX6BdE

All the heroes have now remembered everything they did going all the way back to the early days of Super Man Comics.

Everything is canon now.

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lmao

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I'll wait for the trade paperback. Also, reading comics>watching videos about them.

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So, Bruce Wayne is about 100 years old now?

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, Bruce Wayne is about 100 years old now?

All past realities are now pretty much intertwined into their memories now or at least this is what I'm getting to understand from this storyline so far.

Infinite crisis, Flashpoint, etc.

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I don't get why they couldn't just do a bunch of new continuities without making this dumb multiverse setting where it needs to be shattered and rebuilt repeatedly. It's just convoluted and stupid.

Kaliesto posted...

Infinite crisis, Flashpoint, etc.

...even Legends of the Super Heroes?

Soooooo all this collective inherited information and everyone's brains don't explode Scanners-style?

Yep, DC is still dumb as hell.

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nemu posted...

I don't get why they couldn't just do a bunch of new continuities without making this dumb multiverse setting where it needs to be shattered and rebuilt repeatedly.

Because there's always a comic book nerd who will bring up something that happened in the 1940s, and how it invalidates some damn thing from last month.

Some of these comic-book franchise have been going on for a hundred years or so, and it's just impossible to keep any consistent continuity while running the same handful of stable characters essentially forever.

nemu posted...

I don't get why they couldn't just do a bunch of new continuities without making this dumb multiverse setting where it needs to be shattered and rebuilt repeatedly. It's just convoluted and stupid.

My theory is they're cleaning up the continuities with Death Metal series, I think its a interesting idea for the heroes to start remembering everything they ever done in their lives.

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this is a pretty intriguing idea. I wonder how this effects people with different origin stories like Wonder Woman. sometimes she's fathered by Zeus banging her mother. other times she is made from clay

They should just age and develop characters in real time.

Am I the only one who watched TDK and felt absolutely no need to reconcile that Batman with the one who hung out with Scooby-Doo every once in a while?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

They should just age and develop characters in real time.

I have always thought that would be an interesting idea for a comic universe. I think DC used to have something like this. one of their universes began with the golden age and then aged in real time up to like the 80's with multiple generations of heroes.

also Marvel had a mini series with Spider-Man where I think each issue took place in a different decade with an aging Peter Parker

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

They should just age and develop characters in real time.

There actually was a Batman/Superman comic that did something like that, where the heroes actually aged, had families, and their descendants took up the mantle of fighting for justice.

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Kaliesto posted...

All the heroes have now remembered everything they did going all the way back to the early days of Super Man Comics.

Well that's dumb, most of them aren't even the same character

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Solar_Crimson posted...

There actually was a Batman/Superman comic that did something like that, where the heroes actually aged, had families, and their descendants took up the mantle of fighting for justice.

I found this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_%26_Batman:_Generations

I think there was an ongoing universe though like this for years like pre crisis maybe. that's what I am thinking of. they have probably explored this idea multiple times.

Well you had Robin becoming Nightwing, Flash being Wally West, Green Lantern going from Hal Jordan to Kyle Rayner, for awhile after Crisis on Infinite Earths they really did seem to be making a new generation of heroes which sometimes like in Wally's case ended up being more popular than the original. Don't know why they stopped it, was one of my favorite things about DC that really separated it from Marvel in my eyes.

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nemu posted...

I don't get why they couldn't just do a bunch of new continuities without making this dumb multiverse setting where it needs to be shattered and rebuilt repeatedly. It's just convoluted and stupid.

They tried, but it got too messy. The universe rebooting is a consequence of having so many different writers with not much enforced continuity. It's always assumed they can just figure it out along the way.

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This still hasn't been called a Crisis event, so we will see if all this Death Metal stuff sticks.

However this is pretty much exactly what DC started doing when they started Rebirth a few years ago, rather than have a strict canon in the New 52, they brought everything back and made it canon again. This story just made the heroes aware of it.

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Drunk Cobra posted...

Well you had Robin becoming Nightwing, Flash being Wally West, Green Lantern going from Hal Jordan to Kyle Rayner, for awhile after Crisis on Infinite Earths they really did seem to be making a new generation of heroes which sometimes like in Wally's case ended up being more popular than the original. Don't know why they stopped it, was one of my favorite things about DC that really separated it from Marvel in my eyes.

Because WB higher ups wanted the comics to have synergy with the DCEU and TV shows so they created New 52 and destroyed the organic universe that had been repairing itself since Crisis.

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CM_Ponch posted...

Well that's dumb, most of them aren't even the same character

I think the Comic Writers would have been aware of this, just the ones that are currently present in the battle.

I would say any past versions whether dead or in some kind of temporal limbo would affect them too in some way if the whole multi-verse is getting affected by this memory shift.

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CM_Ponch posted...

Because WB higher ups wanted the comics to have synergy with the DCEU and TV shows so they created New 52 and destroyed the organic universe that had been repairing itself since Crisis.

and that's why those execs who don't even understand comics, should stay out of it. Most people who watch the movies and shows don't read the comics anyway. for both DC and Marvel, the vast majority of consumers of the media, are not comic readers. comic reading, even though it's literally the core of the universes, is only paid attention to by a tiny fraction of the customer base. I hate when Marvel and DC fuck up the comics trying to chase after people who will never read the comics

Kaliesto posted...

I think the Comic Writers would have been aware of this, just the ones that are currently present in the battle.

I would say any past versions whether dead or in some kind of temporal limbo would affect them too in some way if the whole multi-verse is getting affected by this memory shift.

I mean Superman, or at least the Superman in Death Metal is Post-Crisis Superman. That's a completely different character from the AC#1 Superman. Not just in personality, but they're literally two different people. One is Kal-L and the other is Kal El. Then of course there's the New 52 Superman who was a brand new character who existed while Post-Crisis Superman was trapped in the Convergence world. I just feel like Snyder is doing that thing he does where he goes for the "grand epic cool" idea even if it ignores what's actually taken place. Death Metal should have ended with the Superman Prime tie-in.

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Zikten posted...

and that's why those execs who don't even understand comics, should stay out of it. Most people who watch the movies and shows don't read the comics anyway. for both DC and Marvel, the vast majority of consumers of the media, are not comic readers. comic reading, even though it's literally the core of the universes, is only paid attention to by a tiny fraction of the customer base. I hate when Marvel and DC fuck up the comics trying to chase after people who will never read the comics

I totally understand this point; I can't keep up with comics like that.

I think they need to shift this storytelling into a new hybrid entertainment medium like for example -

Netflix Comic Show where Comics get voice acting, sound effects, etc. that might try to appeal the new generation in some way; I know comics by themselves is going out the door so it might need to adapt (also you would be saving the environment I suppose by going all digital for your comic art).

Seems like this is just a American issue where Japan's Manga doesn't seem to have this problem as its still popular as always.

Of course they could keep doing animated shows, but at the same time their budget wouldn't be able to handle it too well.

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I am not sure what the ultimate fate of comics will be, but I think within the near future, we will see an end to physical paper comics. I think it's still going to be around for now. but they will only be digital soon. especially with this virus going on, I think that is speeding up the process

Zikten posted...

but they will only be digital soon.

Digital will be the death of comic books, one way or another.