Current Events > Would you be okay with landlords if they weren't allowed to profit?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Eh, maybe not all rights are inalienable and people need to work for certain housing

Certain housing or housing in general?

I can agree with the former but not the latter.

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Musourenka posted...

Certain housing or housing in general?

I can agree with the former but not the latter.

The former, there would be a shelter/home distinction.

Every adult/couple should have at least their own unit

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How can you have a "right" to someone else's time and labor?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

How can you have a "right" to someone else's time and labor?

the position of a landlord does not require time and labour

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No. That sounds dumb. They would have no reason to go through the hassle of renting the place if they don't make some profit.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

The former, there would be a shelter/home distinction.

Every adult/couple should have at least their own unit

Okay, we can agree on that.

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averagejoel posted...

the position of a landlord does not require time and labour

They put their capital up to purchase the property from those who did. Capital they most likely earned with their time and labor. And that's assuming they didn't build it and bought it.

Nice try comrade

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Solid Snake07 posted...

They put their capital up to purchase the property from those who did. Capital they most likely earned with their time and labor. And that's assuming they didn't build it and bought it.

sure, they may have had to put in some time and labour to attain the position. but the position itself still does not require time and labour. it only requires that they own the building.

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averagejoel posted...

sure, they may have had to put in some time and labour to attain the position. but the position itself still does not require time and labour. it only requires that they own the building.

Property requires upkeep. Shit breaks, roofs have to be replaced. If they don't do it personally they're gonna have to pay someone to do it for them.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Property requires upkeep. Shit breaks, roofs have to be replaced. If they don't do it personally they're gonna have to pay someone to do it for them.

and paying someone to do labour is not the same as the landlord putting in time and labour.

in other words, you agree that performing labour is not an inherent part of the position of a landlord, which is that's exactly what I've been saying.

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averagejoel posted...

and paying someone to do labour is not the same as the landlord putting in time and labour.

in other words, you agree that performing labour is not an inherent part of the position of a landlord, which is that's exactly what I've been saying.

We already went over this. They earned their money through their time and labor. Exchanging that capital to someone to do something you don't want to or cant do on your own is the same thing as exchanging the time and labor you had to put into acquiring that captial.

Why do you insist on me talking in circles with you like you're a simpleton?

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The property is purchased with money earned as a result of the landlord's time and labor

Having a "right" to that property is the same as having a "right" to their labor, theres only a very thin layer of abstraction
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Solid Snake07 posted...

They earned they're money through their time and labor.

this is not inherently true, and it's also irrelevant to whether the position itself requires time and labour

Exchanging that capital to someone to do something you don't want to or cant do on your own is the same thing as exchanging the time and labor you had to put into acquiring that captial.

this is incorrect. paying someone to do something is not the same as doing that thing yourself

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averagejoel posted...

paying someone to do something is not the same as doing that thing yourself

No shit sherlock, that's not what I said. It's called exchange and commerce. People pay management companies to manage their properties for them. Do you think they just don't want 10% of their rent payment every month? Or do you think maybe, just maybe managing property is a job, which is why there's a whole industry surrounding it

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing common sense with our resident tankie

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No shit sherlock, that's not what I said. It's called exchange and commerce. People pay management companies to manage their properties for them. Do you think they just don't want 10% of their rent payment every month? Or do you think maybe, just maybe managing property is a job, which is why there's a whole industry surrounding it

I'm well aware that managing a property is a job. but I'm also aware that it isn't an inherent part of the position of a landlord.

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averagejoel posted...

I'm well aware that managing a property is a job

In other words, renting out a property requires time and labor. Glad you finally came around

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Solid Snake07 posted...

In other words, renting out a property requires time and labor. Glad you finally came around

but it doesn't require time and labour on the part of the person who owns the property (i.e. the landlord)

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averagejoel posted...

but it doesn't require time and labour on the part of the person who owns the property (i.e. the landlord)

It could if they decide to do it themselves. Or they could outsource it. Aka, create a job

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Its hard to believe how stupid some people are.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing common sense with our resident tankie

dont worry, after youve trounced his lies enough hell eventually block you and then repeat the same landlording arguments when the next topic about landlords is up

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Embarrassingly obvious who still lives at home ITT

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Solid Snake07 posted...

It could if they decide to do it themselves. Or they could outsource it. Aka, create a job

At this point, it's clear your argument is the correct one. I don't think you are accomplishing anything by continuing to respond.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

It could if they decide to do it themselves. Or they could outsource it. Aka, create a job

because there are landlords that do not do this, it cannot be an inherent part of the position.

this means that performing labour is not an inherent part of the position of a landlord.

therefore, as I said initially:
averagejoel posted...

the position of a landlord does not require time and labour

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Just, no.

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Housing should be a right.

So why aren't you going out and demanding that your municipality raise taxes to build more and better public housing? Is it just easier to volunteer other people's properties and money?

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