Current Events > This generation of "celebrities" confuses the **** out of me.

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Keanu Reeves is a movie star so he has more metrics outside of social media. Doubt Charli would get as much at the box office. Even then I don't think it's a stretch for young teenagers to not know who Keanu is. Belle Delphine is also a social media star so I don't know what else you could really use for her.

Do people get that thanks to the internet pop culture is more fragmented than ever? More people here probably know Boogie than Travis Scott. We're no longer in a time where we have to engage with stuff we aren't interested in. So yeah there are going to be absolutely hugely popular people and things you haven't heard of. Since having a baby I know about Cocomelon. Which is the third most followed YouTube channel and charts consistently on Netflix. Their last video uploaded two days ago has more than 7 million views. I had never heard of them at all a year ago. That's what pop culture is now.

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Tenlaar posted...

because you're really focused on just saying that follower count doesn't matter and going with your feelings because you're really into porn or whatever.

Lmfao, this was great

Tenlaar posted...

No, she's not, and I already said that social media follower count is not the only metric of fame that can be looked at. We can discuss those other things, if you'd like to actually discuss them, but it doesn't seem like you want to because you're really focused on just saying that follower count doesn't matter and going with your feelings because you're really into porn or whatever.

??? You are the one that asked a question on my simple question instead of just answering...

No. I am not interested in looking up all the metrics on what makes a famous person famous. I am sorry you are somehow butthurt about it and have to attack me because I am aware of a very well known internet celeb that does porn.

AP3Brain posted...

??? You are the one that asked a question on my simple question instead of just answering...

No. I am not interested in looking up all the metrics on what makes a famous person famous. I am sorry you are somehow butthurt about it and have to attack me because I am aware of a very well known internet celeb that does porn.

And you don't know another well known internet celeb who dances. Does it matter? It should be obvious why you know one and not the other and it's not because one is more famous.

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Darmik posted...

Since having a baby I know about Cocomelon. Which is the third most followed YouTube channel and charts consistently on Netflix. Their last video uploaded two days ago has more than 7 million views. I had never heard of them at all a year ago. That's what pop culture is now.

Never heard of Cocomelon until this very moment, myself.

AP3Brain posted...

??? You are the one that asked a question on my simple question instead of just answering...

No. I am not interested in looking up all the metrics on what makes a famous person famous. I am sorry you are somehow butthurt about it and have to attack me because I am aware of a very well known internet celeb that does porn.

You're not uninterested in "all the metrics." You're uninterested in any beyond "I don't know this person, people I do know are more famous."

Darmik posted... Yes it is. Why wouldn't it be? Do you think most people follow who porn stars are?

it's about who's most likely to be exposed to them. you don't really have to "follow" pornstars to be exposed to them.

seeing the hub memes on YT from teens fits with the narrative that it's one of the most visited sites in the world while it's most likely only a very small minority of adults that would dive into tik tok or visit YT just to see teens dance.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

it's about who's most likely to be exposed to them. you don't really have to "follow" pornstars to be exposed to them.

seeing the hub memes on YT from teens fits with the narrative that it's one of the most visited sites in the world while it's most likely only a very small minority of adults that would dive into tik tok or visit YT just to see teens dance.

So what are you looking at that measures 'exposure'

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Tenlaar posted...

You're not uninterested in "all the metrics." You're uninterested in any beyond "I don't know this person, people I do know are more famous."

Absolutely not true but you can believe and project whatever you want. I am just not as ignorant to believe that because someone has a large follower count an average person is going to know who they are.

I forget how redundant it is to have conversations with some of you on this board...

AP3Brain posted...

Absolutely not true but you can believe and project whatever you want. I am just not as ignorant to believe that because someone has a large follower count an average person is going to know who they are.

I forget how redundant it is to have conversations with some of you on this board...

Darmik posted...

So what are you looking at that measures 'exposure'

Tenlaar posted...

I like to quote people instead of making any kind of real point and take aggressive stances against people making simple observations because I take my forum posting very seriously.

AP3Brain posted...

Absolutely not true but you can believe and project whatever you want. I am just not as ignorant to believe that because someone has a large follower count an average person is going to know who they are.

I forget how redundant it is to have conversations with some of you on this board...

Who is saying that? I'm saying that thanks to the internet fragmenting what we follow the concept of an 'average person' no longer really exists for most things. Especially for things and people that are solely popular on the internet.

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Why do you keep posting if you have no interest in actually discussing it, ap3brain? Nobody wants to see you say "I'm right and I don't have to explain why" over and over again.

Darmik posted...

So what are you looking at that measures 'exposure'

porn is a billion dollar industry and i don't even know where most of that money comes from so it's obvious that has far more widespread exposure than tik tok.

on YT where she's most likely to get the most widespread exposure from people across all ages she's not even that popular in followers with "only" 9m. even kpop groups have more than that and like i said, even if people didn't follow her chances are they aren't tuning in to YT to watch random girls dance.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

porn is a billion dollar industry and i don't even know where most of that money comes from so it's obvious that has far more widespread exposure than tik tok.

on YT where she's most likely to get the most widespread exposure from people across all ages she's not even that popular in followers with "only" 9m. even kpop groups have more than that and like i said, even if people didn't follow her chances are they aren't tuning in to YT to watch random girls dance.

You're really not basing this on anything though. Porn is a billion dollar industry...so anyone with a following there is more famous than people on social media apps followed by teens? I don't really get your logic here. Are porn stars also more famous than k-pop bands going by your logic since that's some sort of bar you're using? Is Belle Delphine's YouTube relevant to this conversation? What social media sites dictate your level of fame?

Does Google matter or do people not Google adult content?

https://trends.google.com.au/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=%2Fg%2F11h9bn8qlv,%2Fg%2F11gxps_wbg

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Darmik posted...

Who is saying that? I'm saying that thanks to the internet fragmenting what we follow the concept of an 'average person' no longer really exists for most things.

Yeah I dunno. I disagree that there aren't "average man" celebrities anymore that are known across multiple groups because of internet fragmenting. There are still a lot of people that don't even spend much time on the internet but know of certain celebs. Of course everyone has their own bubbles though.

AP3Brain posted...

Yeah I dunno. I disagree that there aren't "average man" celebrities anymore that are known across multiple groups because of internet fragmenting. There are still a lot of people that don't even spend much time on the internet but know of certain celebs. Of course everyone has their own bubbles though.

Sure but how many of them got famous in the last 5 or so years?

Even someone like the Friends cast seem more famous than the Big Bang Theory cast even though they were both the most popular sitcoms of their time. Things just seem different.

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Darmik posted...

You're really not basing this on anything though. Porn is a billion dollar industry...so anyone with a following there is more famous than people on social media apps followed by teens?

anybody who visits those sites is more likely to run into belle while you have to either be on tik tok(a small app with a small demographic compared to YT/xxx sites) or be into specific stuff on YT to increase your chances of running into charli. on top of that there's the fragmentation of demographics... again based on the memes then plenty of teens visit xxx sites while there aren't really evidence that supports the notion that equally as many adults are on tik tok.

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It's not who you are, it's who you know.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

anybody who visits those sites is more likely to run into belle while you have to either be on tik tok(a small app with a small demographic compared to YT/xxx sites) or be into specific stuff on YT to increase your chances of running into charli. on top of that there's the fragmentation of demographics... again based on the memes then plenty of teens visit xxx sites while there aren't really evidence that supports the notion that equally as many adults are on tik tok.

TikTok has 800 million monthly users and has at least 1 billion video views every single day.

I can't believe I'm seeing 'based on the memes' as an argument.

You can at least say what Delphine's views are on the site as an argument or something. Because that's really all that matters.

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Yeah, theyre just tik tokkers. I get the dancing around on their vids but the lip syncing is just that...lip syncing. I get how and why its popular for teens but dont see how it carries over.

Only one of these types I know anything about is Josh Richards because of his Barstool podcast.

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As you look at different platforms with younger and younger user bases, Charli D'Amelio's numbers skyrocket. Facebook, 1m. Twitter, 5m. Insta, 35m. Tiktok, 100+m. That's not the same case for Belle. Facebook, 400k. Twitter, 1.4m. Instagram, 590k. It seems pretty clear to me that Belle Delphine has a much narrower appeal of people who like porn than Charli's appeal to a wide variety of younger people.

Darmik posted...

I can't believe I'm seeing 'based on the memes' as an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frV7RQE3QvY

how is this not a viable metric for widespread exposure amongst a certain demographic? if i claimed tons of adults visited the same sites would you also be asking for empirical proof?

Tenlaar posted...

As you look at different platforms with younger and younger user bases, Charli D'Amelio's numbers skyrocket. Facebook, 1m. Twitter, 5m. Insta, 35m. Tiktok, 100+m. That's not the same case for Belle. Facebook, 400k. Twitter, 1.4m. Instagram, 590k. It seems pretty clear to me that Belle Delphine has a much narrower appeal of people who like porn than Charli's appeal to a wide variety of younger people.

it's easier to put a digital mark on charli without having people question your morals xd

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AsucaHayashi posted...

how is this not a viable metric for widespread exposure amongst a certain demographic? if i claimed tons of adults visited the same sites would you also be asking for empirical proof?

Because the argument is about Belle Delphine being more popular. Not major porn sites. You're making up some random conclusion that everyone who uses the site knows who Belle is and that means she's more famous. Which makes no sense. When YouTube had their ads on TV ads about streamers I didn't take notice of who they are. Why would I? That means nothing to me. Why would everyone who uses adult sites somehow know or care about Belle? As far as I know she isn't even doing hardcore content until this week. What is this major following you're talking about?

Besides at the very least if your theory was correct she'd win in Google seraches. She only managed that once and that wasn't during Charli's peak. Every single metric is telling you you're wrong about this.

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masticatingman posted...

I get how and why its popular for teens but dont see how it carries over.

Well Charli has a reality show coming up soon on Hulu, so obviously it carries over in some ways whether you see it or not. And we'll also soon be including "Hulu users who like reality tv shows" to people who are more likely to come across and know Charli than Belle, which I have a suspicion is a pretty large group of people.

The real question you should ask is why you cant look them up if you want to know.

With the internet all you need is their name to find out who they are and what they are about.

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Darmik posted...

Because the argument is about Belle Delphine being more popular. Not major porn sites. You're making up some random conclusion that everyone who uses the site knows who Belle is and that means she's more famous.

no, the argument was what other metrics there were besides pure follower count:

Darmik posted...
So what are you looking at that measures 'exposure'

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Tenlaar posted...

Well Charli has a reality show coming up soon on Hulu, so obviously it carries over in some ways whether you see it or not. And we'll also soon be including "Hulu users who like reality tv shows" to people who are more likely to come across and know Charli than Belle, which I have a suspicion is a pretty large group of people.

Wasnt talking about the people at the top of the Tik Tok heap. That shit is just regular social media celebrity power translating into whatever. Sponsorships, shows, etc. But the vids themselves aint shit.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

no, the argument was what other metrics there were besides pure follower count:

And your metric is a meme for a porn site that has nothing to do with Delphine.

One is getting a Hulu show and the other isn't even verified on Twitter.

Again it's pretty hard to ignore Google trends for someone with adult content.


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Darmik posted...

And your metric is a meme for a porn site that has nothing to do with Delphine.

as proof that teens frequent porn sites and therefore have the exact same chance of being exposed to belle just as much as adults.

Darmik posted...

One is getting a Hulu show and the other isn't even verified on Twitter.

if we're including things that hasn't happened or could have happened then who knows how many followers or whatnot she could have had if she didn't consistently get banned from instagram or YT.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

as proof that teens frequent porn sites and therefore have the exact same chance of being exposed to belle just as much as adults.

So does this logic also work for anyone who has large YouTube followings? These sites have an insane amount of content. I don't know why you think exposure is guaranteed or matters. Again how are the views?

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Darmik posted...

I don't know why you think exposure is guaranteed or matters.

so if exposure doesn't matter was this:

Darmik posted...

So what are you looking at that measures 'exposure'

just purely rhetorical?

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AsucaHayashi posted...

so if exposure doesn't matter was this:

just purely rhetorical?

No because you haven't measured anything. You've assumed that everyone who uses porn sites know who Belle Delphine is and...you haven't really explained why that is. You're making up a conclusion and working your way back from there.

Google trends show Charli is more famous and popular. All social media metrics show Charli is more famous and popular. These are both internet stars. There's nothing else to really measure it.

The tweet that CE made about the censored BJ on Twitter? This got more likes.
https://twitter.com/charlidamelio/status/1339671039362547714

Just face it dude. You're out of touch unless they're porn stars. It's okay.

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oh ok. so instead of what type of potential exposure you basically wanted numbers.

maybe you could have lead with that.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

oh ok. so instead of what type of potential exposure you basically wanted numbers.

maybe you could have lead with that.

It would be nice if you could offer any kind of metric in which Belle Delphine comes out on top. Hell, even in net worth the internet says she gets blown the fuck away - Belle is estimated net worth of $500k, while Charli is worth over $8m.

Instagram famous=/=celebrity

I only watched like a minute but I have no clue who any of these people are.

Brad Pitt is a celebrity, these people just make a living running social media accounts.

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Looking at the big site that was in the news lately people like Jules Jordan and Sara Jay seem to be the solo names with the biggest following. So going by your logic TC are these people also more famous than all of the internet stars listed in this topic? Because I had never heard of them before.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Instagram famous=/=celebrity

Then what does celebrity mean? You seem to be adding something beyond the actual definition of celebrity, which is just a famous person. And famous means somebody known by many people. Pretty hard to argue that hundreds of millions of people doesn't quality as "many."

Tenlaar posted...

Then what does celebrity mean? You seem to be adding something beyond the actual definition of celebrity, which is just a famous person. And famous means somebody known by many people. Pretty hard to argue that hundreds of millions of people doesn't quality as "many."

Hundreds of millions seems pretty generous. I literally have no clue who any of those people are and think I'm far more plugged in than the majority of people around my age and older.

I mean I guess you can call them a celebrity but it's worth acknowledging there are massive tier differences of fame here and what was considered a celebrity 20 years ago.

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Tenlaar posted...

It would be nice if you could offer any kind of metric in which Belle Delphine comes out on top. Hell, even in net worth the internet says she gets blown the fuck away - Belle is estimated net worth of $500k, while Charli is worth over $8m.

edit: removed video since it links to the site but it's easy to find on YT xd

this video from 6 months ago guesstimates her (certain site)subscriber count with somebody hinting she's at least around 10k subscribers at the time it was made

10k@$35 = 350k from one month back then + whatever she's earned before (certain site).

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Oh, well, if you have a youtube video guestimating and it also includes hinting, then argument over!

you can't like her posts without being subscribed and from the video(if you watched which i'm assuming you didn't) then one of them got 10k likes.. happy?

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