Current Events > Two severe allergic reactions from Pfizer CV-19 vaccine in UK

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https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-updates-15m-cases-nearly-090020351.html

Report says that people with history of severe allergic reactions should not take Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine

I think they need to clarify what kind of allergic reactions. I have a history of severe allergic reactions to bee stings, but nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if that also extended to wasps, but I've never been stung by one.

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That's good to know. Nice to know they're recovering fine as well.

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One thing I'm not sure about is why they had the vaccine. This reaction is something that showed up in the clinical trials and is also something that happens with other vaccines.

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I have allergies to certain foods, but nothing life-threatening

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2 out of how many?

I only take medicine that no one on the planet has reactions or side effects from.

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Topic title is misleading, the article and its source don't say the reactions were severe. It says two people with severe preexisting allergies had reactions, without describing what those were.

Stop trying to fearmonger.

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I supposed it depends on how severe the "symptoms of anaphylactoid reaction"" were. I've never experienced that so I have no idea how severe a reaction is required for epinephrine to be administered like it was in these cases.

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Hornezz posted...

Topic title is misleading, the article and its source don't say the reactions were severe. It says two people with severe preexisting allergies had reactions, without describing what those were.

Stop trying to fearmonger.

It infers it when it says the patients are "recovering well". The fact that its even a report shows there must have been enough concern to send an alert concerning those who are sensitive to allergic reactions. saying they shouldn't take the vaccine at all

Article aside this is why Im hesitant to get the vaccine asap even though I want it. If some drug has a side effect that only happens to like 5% of people Im in that 5% way too often. Fucking sucks

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2Pacavelli posted...

It infers it when it says the patients are "recovering well". The fact that its even a report shows there must have been enough concern to send an alert concerning those who are sensitive to allergic reactions. saying they shouldn't take the vaccine at all

Sensitive to what allergic reaction? Someone is allergic to everything. That's just how it is.

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2Pacavelli posted...

It infers it when it says the patients are "recovering well".

'Recovering well' doesn't imply anything about the severity of the reaction. You're speculating and posting it as fact.


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hockeybub89 posted...

Sensitive to what allergic reaction? Someone is allergic to everything. That's just how it is.

I don't know either, it would be good if they could report it. If they even know what the cause. I'm allergic to shellfish myself

Hornezz posted...

'Recovering well' doesn't imply anything about the severity of the reaction. You're speculating and posting it as fact.

An anaphylactoid reaction does imply a serious reaction though, but you are right about there being some fear mongering. This was a known reaction from the clinical trials and also happens with some other vaccines.

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Stagmar posted...

This was a known reaction from the clinical trials and also happens with some other vaccines.

there was certain vaccines that cant be taken if allergic to eggs.
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kingdrake2 posted...

there was certain vaccines that cant be taken if allergic to eggs.

Some flu vaccines for example.

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Stagmar posted...

An anaphylactoid reaction does imply a serious reaction though, but you are right about there being some fear mongering. This was a known reaction from the clinical trials and also happens with some other vaccines.

I'm not fear mongering. Just reporting the news as in the moment as I perceived it. Even you feel it implys a serious reaction.

Stagmar posted...

An anaphylactoid reaction does imply a serious reaction though, but you are right about there being some fear mongering. This was a known reaction from the clinical trials and also happens with some other vaccines.

The article doesn't specify these people had an anaphylactic reaction, it just says "allergic". For all we know these people had a bit of skin redness.

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Hornezz posted...

The article doesn't specify these people had an anaphylactic reaction, it just says "allergic". For all we know these people had a bit of skin redness.

The BBC article has more details:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55244122

The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.

They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.

Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them.

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The thing that weirds me out is that multiple people have gotten bells palsy from this vaccine, I thought that was a super rare illness

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I'm allergic to eggs, that means that I can't take it?

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s0nicfan posted...

The BBC article has more details:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55244122

Thanks for the addition. Good to know the reactions weren't severe.

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Allergy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking dead

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Hornezz posted...

Thanks for the addition. Good to know the reactions weren't severe.

Sounds severe to me. Stop policing my speech

2Pacavelli posted...

Sounds severe to me. Stop policing my speech

1 in 1000 people infected with Covid died.
2 in thousands of people vaccinated got a skin rash, breathlessness or perhaps a drop in blood pressure of which they are recovering well within a day.

Stop misleading people with your fear mongering.

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Supposedly 4 people died from it as well. Also, a couple people ended up with Bells Palsy apparently...

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Hornezz posted...

2 in thousands of people vaccinated got a skin rash, breathlessness or perhaps a drop in blood pressure of which they are recovering well within a day.

It was an anaphylactic reaction. If they hadn't had their pens on them it may have been life threatening

N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Supposedly 4 people died from it as well.

Source?

2Pacavelli posted...

If they hadn't had their pens on them it may have been life threatening

Source?

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2Pacavelli posted...

It was an anaphylactic reaction.

The BBC article literally says that it was not.

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https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/immune-disorders/allergic-reactions-and-other-hypersensitivity-disorders/anaphylactic-reactions

Anaphylactic reactions are sudden, widespread, potentially severe and life-threatening allergic reactions.

• Anaphylactic reactions often begin with a feeling of uneasiness, followed by tingling sensations and dizziness.
• People then rapidly develop severe symptoms, including generalized itching and hives, swelling, wheezing and difficulty breathing, fainting, and/or other allergy symptoms.
• These reactions can quickly become life threatening.
• Avoiding the trigger is the best approach.
• Anaphylactic reactions require emergency treatment.
• Affected people should always carry a self-injecting syringe of epinephrine.

(See also Overview of Allergic Reactions.)
Like other allergic reactions, an anaphylactic reaction does not usually occur after the first exposure to an allergen (the substance that triggers an allergic reaction) but may occur after a person is exposed to the allergen again. However, many people do not recall a first exposure. Any allergen that causes an anaphylactic reaction in a person is likely to cause that reaction when the person is exposed again, unless measures are taken to prevent it.

pegusus123456 posted...

The BBC article literally says that it was not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55244122

The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.
They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.

The BBC article says it was an anaphylactoid reaction, which is not the same as anaphylaxis.

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pegusus123456 posted...

The BBC article literally says that it was not.

It clearly says that they did. What they didnt have was "anaphylaxis".

This is assuming an "anaphylactic" and "anaphylactoid" reaction is the same thing.

I'm assuming so since the suffixes has the same meaning.

@2Pacavelli From the BBC article above (emphasis mine):

They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.

This is assuming an "anaphylactic" and "anaphylactoid" reaction is the same thing.

You assume wrong. Please do a bit of research before posting false information as fact. This sort of misinformation is going to end up costing lives.


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2Pacavelli posted...

I'm assuming so since the suffixes has the same meaning.

https://www.grammar.com/list_of_homonyms

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Jagr_68 posted...

Allergy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking dead

Some allergic reactions can lead to death, yes.

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Hornezz posted...

@2Pacavelli From the BBC article above (emphasis mine):

You assume wrong. Please do a bit of research before posting false information as fact. This sort of misinformation is going to end up costing lives.

I never said it was "anaphylaxis". Stop trying to twist my words

Delta_Force posted...

Jagr_68 posted...

Allergy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking dead

Some allergic reactions can lead to death, yes.

"What are epinephrine and vasodilators for $1000, Alex?"

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So is one still an anti-vaxer if they want to wait a couple weeks to see how people in UK react to it before taking it. Seems scary to find out now the allergic reaction thing. Why wasn't it found in their study/trials.

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ChopinList posted...

So is one still an anti-vaxer if they want to wait a couple weeks to see how people in UK react to it before taking it. Seems scary to find out now the allergic reaction thing. Why wasn't it found in their study/trials.

From the BBC article:

This is a story to assess with your head and not your gut.

No effective medicine is without side effects so you have to balance the risk and the benefit.

Remember, one in a thousand people in the UK have died after being infected with coronavirus this year and that figure is rising daily.

Two people, out of thousands vaccinated yesterday, had an allergic reaction which they recovered from.

Such reactions can happen with any vaccine and are treated with drugs such as steroids or adrenaline.

The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab.

The MHRA has given targeted advice to those most at risk, but for the overwhelming majority of people, this changes nothing.

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ChopinList posted...

So is one still an anti-vaxer if they want to wait a couple weeks to see how people in UK react to it before taking it. Seems scary to find out now the allergic reaction thing. Why wasn't it found in their study/trials.

Allergic reactions were found in the trials. That is why the news stories mention that In this, they reported a very small number of allergic reactions in both the vaccine and placebo groups (0.63% and 0.51%) or The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab.

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ChopinList posted...

So is one still an anti-vaxer if they want to wait a couple weeks to see how people in UK react to it before taking it. Seems scary to find out now the allergic reaction thing. Why wasn't it found in their study/trials.

Allergic reactions were found in the trials.

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Wow. 2 people.

anyways jab me with the vaccine. Im ready.

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Guys, quit being dicks. I have been warned off certain vaccines due to an allergy to components. I'd really like to know if such an issue might apply to this one.

And now I know why those medication commercials expressly state not to take [blank] if allergic to it or its components. Some people will rush you into taking anything labeled "cure" before checking.

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BignutzisBack posted...

The thing that weirds me out is that multiple people have gotten bells palsy from this vaccine, I thought that was a super rare illness

Well this is scary.

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Stagmar posted...

An anaphylactoid reaction does imply a serious reaction though, but you are right about there being some fear mongering. This was a known reaction from the clinical trials and also happens with some other vaccines.

Any anaphylaxis is serious but it's treatable especially if you're already at a hospital getting the vaccine.

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As a doctor, nothing I've seen about the side effects really scares me. Anaphylaxis/severe allergic reactions can happen with the flu vaccine too. It's a very minimal risk and places that administer the vaccines should (hopefully) have Epipens available just in case.

As for Bell's Palsy, it's generally temporary (ie a few weeks) and won't kill you.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Any anaphylaxis is serious but it's treatable especially if you're already at a hospital getting the vaccine.

true... i heard from one faction: the evangelicals pastor telling them to not get the vaccine as god would protect them with immunity from the virus. that's a load of BS if you ask me.
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