Current Events > Your opinion: How can we stop or control the coronavirus?

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If you were the president or a governor, what exactly would you do?

It's too late. We've lost control.

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Depends a lot on where I am. In the USA or a European country with relatively open travel from outside the area, I don't think I would aim for elimination. If I live somewhere with a lot of travel restrictions (most Asian countries, Aus, NZ, etc) I would aim for elimination.

For elimination the most important thing is a strong testing strategy (easily available, free, reasonable turnatound (<12h for positive tests) and good contact tracing mechansms. Ideally this also means people keep good records of their movements somehow, ideally with a phone app or similar solution.

For a suppression approach (e.g. in the US), testing is still important. The biggest thing is restrictions on ths most high-risk, rapid spreading situations. That means restrictions on indoor gatherings, especially where there's lots of close contact, where you might not know all the guests, or where there are raised voices and/or alcohol.
Mandatory masking for public transport and indoor environments other than the home (workplaces, retail) is probably next, since it's relatively low cost compared to its benefit.
Then you work your way up, as required by healthcare capacity, to restrictions on less risky/more costly things. So limits/bans on bars and restaurants, then rules about schools, workplaces and retail.

Edit: I ignored all the non-health policy side of this for simplicity. But there would need to be supports that cover people and businesses affected by shutdowns/restrictions as well as people who are required to isolate by public health.

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Months ago, my answer would be to

• consult public health officials and let them lead the response in terms of public health protocols (mask mandates, quarantine, social distancing, school and business closures, etc.) and support their protocols and implement
• freeze rent so everyone can stay home safely
• Convert some empty hotels (tourism has died for now anyways) to house health care workers so they dont transmit virus in their own homes, and other hotels for homeless populations so they can stay home too
• invest in vaccination research

Now Im not so sure cuz its gone too far.

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Martial law

lots of stimulus checks
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mech dragon posted...

Now Im not so sure cuz its gone too far.

How has it gone too far?
Arent we better prepared than last time? Hasnt there been more people exposed to it and with antibodies?

I wouldn't even know where to begin now. It is a fire that has long since burned out of control.

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Nanobots

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Do what Victoria, Australia did.

Victoria
On 7 July, after recording 191 new cases, Premier Daniel Andrews announced that metropolitan Melbourne and the Shire of Mitchell would re-enter a Stage 3 lockdown from 12am on 9 July, for 6 weeks.
Initial lockdown measures included the closure of all non-essential services, including retail and gyms. Hospitality establishments were permitted to open in take-away and delivery capacities only. Schools and childcare facilities were also ordered to close. Face coverings were made mandatory as of 23 July 2020, with a fine of $200 AUD for non-compliance to those above 12 years of age, although formal exemptions could be acquired.
As of 6pm on 2 August 2020, Premier Andrews declared stronger lockdown laws, transitioning from Stage 3 to Stage 4.
The strongest restrictions imposed under Stage 4 included:

• Ban on travelling further than a 5km radius from place of residence (adjusted to 25km on 19 October 2020)
• Night-time curfew of 8pm to 5am
• One hour time limit imposed on outdoor exercise
• Shopping for essentials limited to one person per household per day
• Public gatherings limited to a maximum of two people

Initially proposed to end on 13 September, Melbourne officially exited Stage 4 lockdown on 28 October 2020 after 112 days, concluding the longest COVID-19 related lockdown period noted globally as of October 2020.

They've just had their 35th day in a row of no cases after averaging 400-600 in August and currently have ZERO active cases.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-cases/vic

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Jx1010 posted...

How has it gone too far?
Arent we better prepared than last time? Hasnt there been more people exposed to it and with antibodies?

How are we better prepared? There was no plan to begin with, still is no plan. President is actively trying to make it worse by politicizing mask wearing, saying there is too much testing and there should be less, holding massive rallies and encouraging people to group up.

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mech dragon posted...

Convert some empty hotels (tourism has died for now anyways) to house health care workers so they dont transmit virus in their own homes

That's pretty rough. So, not only do they have the worst most thankless job in this pandemic, but now their support system is also fractured and their family is taken away. Why not just give them access to daily testing?

I feel like doing that would just make a bunch of them crack, quit and reasonably leave you in a worse spot.

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Sanctions for China until they pay for the loses around the world

How can we stop it? Through a vaccine. lol
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LightHawKnight posted...

How are we better prepared? There was no plan to begin with, still is no plan. President is actively trying to make it worse by politicizing mask wearing, saying there is too much testing and there should be less, holding massive rallies and encouraging people to group up.

President? What president?
President Biden?

Jx1010 posted...

Hasnt there been more people exposed to it and with antibodies?

The numbers with protective antibody levels are still pretty low compared to the whole population. Studies from Wuhan seem to indicate unless you got a symptomatic infection, you only have about a 10% chance of having protective levels of antibody 6 months later

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If you can isolate the population, otherwise you can just slow it without causing worse consequences

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Beemo_Season11 posted...

Sanctions for China until they pay for the loses around the world

Right now USA is by far the world's hotspot, and there's no indication that the US would have had any hope of containing it if it had emerged locally. Should the rest of the world be sanctioning the US right now on this basis?

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Sonic Cannon posted...

Right now USA is by far the world's hotspot, and there's no indication that the US would have had any hope of containing it if it had emerged locally. Should the rest of the world be sanctioning the US right now on this basis?

Don't start no shit won't be no shit, China

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Destroy the planet. No life, no Covid.

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I'd let it take its course.

You can't. It requires cooperation from the general public and in America's case nobody cares.

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TomNook20 posted...

You can't. It requires cooperation from the general public and in America's case nobody cares.

This. There are too many idiots that won't self-isolate listen to mask mandates, and if we try to force them to listen with the threat of fines or jail time, they'll probably go on a shooting spree shouting "muh freedumbs".
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Sonic Cannon posted...

Right now USA is by far the world's hotspot, and there's no indication that the US would have had any hope of containing it if it had emerged locally. Should the rest of the world be sanctioning the US right now on this basis?

It all came to the US from outside the borders.

Yeah, but containing a novel virus within the country of origin is almost impossible. It takes weekr or months to even figure out that the new virus exists at all, by which point it's probably escaped. Italy is a good example of this, since they had their first cases before the virus was even sequenced and named. Blaming China for "giving it" to the US is pretty unreasonable.

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Sonic Cannon posted...

Blaming China for "giving it" to the US is pretty unreasonable.

If they knew about the virus in december, why wait till february to stop the flights?

It's essentially impossible to legislate away dumbassery, thus attempting to do so is ineffectual at best and an epic backfire at worst.

Research ways to neutralize hyaluronic acid in the lungs (and maybe also vessels). That's the major mechanism of death: the lungs fill up with what's essentially jello.
https://www.ornl.gov/news/computational-gene-study-suggests-new-pathway-covid-19-inflammatory-response

Vaccine or miracle

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Biden is gonna sniff that virus out of the country.

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Wear a mask. Stay indoors. Stop putting money ahead of people and doing what is right. Seriously it never would have even gotten this far if people weren't so oblivious and greedy. Too late for that now. It's probably going to be around regardless at this point but will die off if people stop giving it a place to incubate.

I have not seen one plausible idea in this entire topic that would have actually worked. All these ideas are severely flawed and lacking imagination.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

That's pretty rough. So, not only do they have the worst most thankless job in this pandemic, but now their support system is also fractured and their family is taken away. Why not just give them access to daily testing?

I feel like doing that would just make a bunch of them crack, quit and reasonably leave you in a worse spot.

fine, but Id give them the option to stay for free at hotels and let them decide if they want to based on their own household, family members, and risk level. If they live with a bunch of old people, it would a good option for them.


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mech dragon posted...

fine, but Id give them the option to stay for free at hotels and let them decide if they want to based on their own household, family members, and risk level. If they live with a bunch of old people, it would a good option for them.

so you would put an entire hotel of random people at risk?


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There really isn't a good solution in the context of a proportion of the population too stubborn to listen to public health policy and play nice with masks, social distancing, and frequent hand washing.

We're had the answer for a while now. But it requires everyone to cooperate. People are selfish. End of story.

Widespread vaccination is the closest we'll get to things going "back to normal", but for the time being, covid is just a new reality.

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

so you would put an entire hotel of random people at risk?

no they are other healthcare workers who would know to keep socially distant with each other. Like in an apartment building. Currently many hotels also have upped their protocols for for the safety of their cleaning staff too. There are no random people in this scenario.

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also FYI my hotel for healthcare workers idea isnt new. My city already has this for our healthcare workers as an option.

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https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/burnaby-hotel-offers-free-rooms-and-food-to-health-workers-3120849

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Stop? lol
Control? Waaay past the bargaining phase here.

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Ving_Rhames posted...

Stop? lol
Control? Waaay past the bargaining phase here.

Ok,,,, so what now?

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's essentially impossible to legislate away dumbassery, thus attempting to do so is ineffectual at best and an epic backfire at worst.

Research ways to neutralize hyaluronic acid in the lungs (and maybe also vessels). That's the major mechanism of death: the lungs fill up with what's essentially jello.
https://www.ornl.gov/news/computational-gene-study-suggests-new-pathway-covid-19-inflammatory-response

This isn't really new information, it's an established part of the pathophysiology of ARDS and has been for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_alveolar_damage
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2923370/

Some people have tried to study it as a therapeutic target:
https://touroscholar.touro.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=tcomny_pubs

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Sonic Cannon posted...

This isn't really new information, it's an established part of the pathophysiology of ARDS and has been for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_alveolar_damage
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2923370/

Some people have tried to study it as a therapeutic target:
https://touroscholar.touro.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=tcomny_pubs

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