Current Events > Supreme Court hears arguments in plan to cut undocumented immigrants from Census

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/census-supreme-court-oral-arguments/index.html

If Trump/GOP wins NY/CA and other liberal areas going to lose a lot of house seats.

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As a compromise we should consider them 3/5ths of "real" people. When has that not backfired?

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The Constitution provides that representatives "shall be apportioned" among the states counting the "whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Is the GOP argument that tax-paying, illegal immigrants and their families are not people?
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Obstacle2 posted...

As a compromise we should consider them 3/5ths of "real" people.

Does anyone seriously advocate that? It's certainly a "solution", but it was a shitty one back in 1788 also.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Does anyone seriously advocate that? It's certainly a "solution", but it was a shitty one back in 1788 also.

You act like the alt-right has learned something in over 200 years.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

You act like the alt-right has learned something in over 200 years.

Nobody is going to seek this comprise, and it'll be desperation if it actually happens - just like 1788.

One problem with this is if the citizenship question was struck from the Census, how does the administration know who is or isn't an undocumented immigrant? I can see SCOTUS ruling against them based on that reasoning alone.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Nobody is going to seek this comprise, and it'll be desperation if it actually happens - just like 1788.

Everyone in that room should stop and think for just a moment about how they're literally repeating a 200 year old mistake, but we can't have that.

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they don't want to know who is and isn't an undocumented immigrant

can we count them but offer undocumented immigrants no representation?
that's what i call compromise

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This should get straight laughed out of the room, so it will be a good bellwether for if the Republicans have successfully bought out the court.

SquirtleSkwad posted...

You act like the alt-right has learned something in over 200 years.

SquirtleSkwad posted...

the northern states - many of which were trending towards phasing out slavery earlier for economic or social reasons, if they hadn't done so already - were largely opposed to factoring slave populations, who lacked civil or voting rights, into determining the number of house seats.

conversely, the slaveholding south was the side that was pushing for it, leading to the controversial compromise.

taking into consideration that the alt-right, with partial roots in movements idealizing the old south, and its more politically mainstream cousins (e.g., paleos) are opposed to factoring undocumented immigrants (lacking civil or voting rights) into determining electoral college apportionment, there's a strong case to be made there's been a reversal on that particular question.

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I cant believe the Supreme Court is actually hearing this fucking case

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If they rule in favor of the republicans this would be the most shameless partisan disregard for the constitution in the court's history.

The constitution is explicit that all people, citizens or not should be counted. There is ZERO ambiguity.

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