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Garioshi
11/29/20 3:57:15 AM
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I'm making a video on the subject and I want to represent the best arguments on both sides.

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StormFury
11/29/20 3:57:40 AM
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Red simply because higher damage.
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pegusus123456
11/29/20 4:07:19 AM
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I'm not a peeping tom, so obviously Red9.

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fate311
11/29/20 4:10:27 AM
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More of a fan of the Blacktail aesthetically (not a fan of the Mauser pistol design). For practical reasons...the higher RoF is useful for kneecappign multiple enemies faster than the Red9, although the Red 9 is better for damage, no contest. Haven't had an issue with damage for the former however, even on Professional.\

Course I tended to use the OG handgun at tines cause that x5 headshot chance is hilarious.

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viewmaster_pi
11/29/20 4:11:06 AM
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Red 9's way stronger, more ammo efficient, and I think has the best stability out of all of them with its stock. Blacktail's got better DPS and capacity, but nothing else

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Ryven
11/29/20 4:11:41 AM
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Red 9 easily. I remember being disappointed over trying to find all the blue medals for an inferior gun in the blacktail.

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Irony
11/29/20 4:12:26 AM
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Ryven posted...
Red 9 easily. I remember being disappointed over trying to find all the blue medals for an inferior gun in the blacktail.
What?

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Middle hope
11/29/20 4:12:30 AM
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Red9 is my preferred choice.

I just hit a leg shot, kick and knife to death.

TMP is also very good at this, but I like the extra damage the 9 offers

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pegusus123456
11/29/20 4:12:47 AM
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Ryven posted...
Red 9 easily. I remember being disappointed over trying to find all the blue medals for an inferior gun in the blacktail.
Blue medals gave you the Punisher, not the Blacktail.

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fate311
11/29/20 4:12:54 AM
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Ryven posted...
Red 9 easily. I remember being disappointed over trying to find all the blue medals for an inferior gun in the blacktail.

That's the Punisher. Gimmicky AF handgun, ngl.

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Beemo_Season11
11/29/20 4:13:12 AM
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Punisher Master Race
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Ryven
11/29/20 4:13:48 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Blue medals gave you the Punisher, not the Blacktail.


My bad. Its been a while haha

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StormFury
11/29/20 4:15:11 AM
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Punisher's ability is penetrating shots, right?
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fate311
11/29/20 4:15:56 AM
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StormFury posted...
Punisher's ability is penetrating shots, right?

Yes. The exclusive ramps that up to x5 targets for that.

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IloveJesus
11/29/20 4:19:33 AM
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Punisher is really only good against sections with shield enemies, but given that you can also break any shield with a single shotgun blast, it's kind of pointless.

The handgun and blacktail I'd put about even.

Red 9 is by far the best. You end up absolutely drowning in ammo for it, and its increased power and plentiful ammo makes it a viable weapon against stronger enemies.

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Garioshi
11/29/20 6:00:35 AM
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Took quite a bit of time, but I've got a framework going now.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
11/29/20 6:25:32 AM
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Red9 does a lot more damage in a single shot, you save a lot of ammo using it.

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Kaldrenthebold
11/29/20 7:46:13 AM
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Age old topic is age old

Blacktail, always and forever


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Garioshi
11/29/20 8:05:22 AM
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Progress

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alphagamble
11/29/20 8:08:24 AM
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I liked the Blacktail since I always did the kick combo.

Especially towards the end where there are loads of enemies at once.

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SSJCAT
11/29/20 8:11:00 AM
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red9 best pistols no discussion necessary

Everybody needs to quit sleeping on my boy the tmp, tho.

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Flauros
11/29/20 8:14:03 AM
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Honestly all you really need to finish the game is a maxed Red9 and maxed Bolt Action Rifle as your main guns. Use all that extra space and cash from sold plunder to store healing items and launchers.

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foxhound101
11/29/20 9:05:34 AM
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Red 9 - It's a satisfying gun to use with so much damage potential

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Srk700
11/29/20 9:16:56 AM
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Red 9 is better, but Blacktail is good enough that if you prefer it's design you can get through the game just fine with it.
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BaphometFlux
11/29/20 9:34:41 AM
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Killer7 and red9 are best.

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DespondentDeity
11/29/20 9:35:58 AM
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Red 9 has better sound effects for firing and reloading, but its my least favorite of the pistols.

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Romulox28
11/29/20 10:09:38 AM
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Red9 obviously

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Garioshi
11/29/20 10:25:44 AM
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The way I see it, either magnum does the job of "power damage" just fine. The best handgun, in my opinion, is the one that allows for the most melee opportunities, as suplexes often kill instantly.

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fan357
11/29/20 10:29:45 AM
#30:


Red 9

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Turbam
11/29/20 10:32:43 AM
#31:


Red 9
Semi auto rifle
Striker
TMP
Broken butterfly

I keep telling myself I'll try a different load out every time I replay, but I never do.

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harley2280
11/29/20 10:45:21 AM
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Red 9 because it's similar to the gun Eva uses in MGS 3.
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ZeroX91
11/29/20 10:55:55 AM
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Red9 because it becomes another shotgun...blacktail looks alot cooler though

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PowerOats
11/29/20 11:01:33 AM
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Red9 - All around good weapon
Striker - Damage and crowd control
TMP - ammo saver and QTE setups
Broken Butterfly - Boss Slayer

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Mark_DeRosa
11/29/20 11:05:55 AM
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Red9 for the style

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Garioshi
11/29/20 12:05:58 PM
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Blacktail is black, Red 9 is red, TMP is blue, Matilda is green, Handgun is purple, and Punisher is orange. I knew TMP was the best handgun, but I didn't know it was THAT good.

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Garioshi
11/29/20 12:50:02 PM
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Do we have anyone who thinks any of the others are the best?

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Garioshi
11/29/20 2:47:23 PM
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Also, what aspects should I compare? I'm definitely comparing shots per bullet, DPS per cost, and damage per bullet, but I know there are other meaningful comparisons I could make.

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DespondentDeity
11/29/20 6:48:23 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Do we have anyone who thinks any of the others are the best?

Handgun is the best imo

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UnholyMudcrab
11/29/20 6:54:32 PM
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Ermac
11/29/20 6:55:43 PM
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Red 9 if you care about shot %, which I did

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Garioshi
11/30/20 1:23:36 AM
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I'm having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that the Matilda is arguably better than either the Red 9 or Blacktail

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pegusus123456
11/30/20 1:30:01 AM
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Garioshi posted...
I'm having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that the Matilda is arguably better than either the Red 9 or Blacktail
The Matilda is garbage and you live a garbage life to even consider that it is not.

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Garioshi
11/30/20 1:31:59 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
The Matilda is garbage and you live a garbage life to even consider that it is not.
The numbers don't lie.

Garioshi posted...

Blacktail is black, Red 9 is red, TMP is blue, Matilda is green, Handgun is purple, and Punisher is orange. I knew TMP was the best handgun, but I didn't know it was THAT good.


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pegusus123456
11/30/20 1:32:44 AM
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Garioshi posted...
The numbers don't lie.
Stop getting your numbers out of the dumpster.

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viewmaster_pi
11/30/20 1:33:46 AM
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the TMP isn't a fucking handgun

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UnholyMudcrab
11/30/20 1:48:51 AM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
the TMP isn't a fucking handgun
The point of a handgun (to me, at least) isn't to kill enemies, it's to set them up for QTEs. The TMP fills the same role, but with waaay more ammo.

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Garioshi
11/30/20 2:24:09 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Stop getting your numbers out of the dumpster.
Denial is the first stage of grief

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DrizztLink
11/30/20 3:41:28 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Denial is the first stage of grief
Matilda seems good on paper, but not so much in game.

It eats through ammo like crazy, and it runs into the typical burst-fire issue where accuracy isn't ideal after the first bullet.

Essentially, Matilda is using 6 bullets to do what the other guns do in one or two.

It's a Kroger brand TMP.

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PowerOats
11/30/20 6:29:18 AM
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The TMP is basically the first handgun if it had 30-250 rounds.

A minimum 30 chances to QTE a fool is amazing. Can clear whole rooms with that
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