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BilalPowell 11/16/20 10:41:42 PM #51: |
Honestly if people who went to college just to do drugs all day or because their parents force them to just put that tuition money into the S&P 500 instead then got some non-degree job and only serious students who want to be doctors, lawyers... went then student debt would be much less of an issue.
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SevenTenths 11/16/20 10:42:58 PM #52: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
You need to go back to school until you can read and comprehend a single sentence. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 10:46:24 PM #54: |
SevenTenths posted...
You need to go back to school until you can read and comprehend a single sentence. I read just fine, you just immediately contradicted yourself. No need to get upset champ. Just do better nest time --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/16/20 10:46:24 PM #55: |
cuh posted...
And continue to do so until we reach free and equitable higher education for all.That'll never happen unless private colleges are flat banned, and all we'll get out of that is a lucrative "taught abroad" class. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cobalt_Wasps 11/16/20 10:46:41 PM #56: |
eliminate all debts
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 10:49:14 PM #59: |
Cobalt_Wasps posted...
eliminate all debts Yeah, why stop at student loans? I got a mortgage I'm tired of making payments on. Where's my relief? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SevenTenths 11/16/20 10:51:19 PM #60: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
I read just fine, you just immediately contradicted yourself. No need to get upset champ. Just do better nest time SevenTenths posted... You need to go back to school until you can read and comprehend a single sentence. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 10:53:53 PM #61: |
Pretty hilarious how often people here try to dodge the shit they themselves said with "you can't read"
Sure I can't little guy --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SK8T3R215 11/16/20 10:54:23 PM #62: |
So are we just gonna periodically forgive $10K every 5 to 10 years now?
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SevenTenths 11/16/20 10:56:32 PM #63: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
Pretty hilarious how often people here try to dodge the shit they themselves said with "you can't read" You can't since you only read to the first comma then made multiple assumptions. You've had multiple chances to try again. Go enroll in some night classes. Why are the mods on this site so awful? --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 11/16/20 10:59:28 PM #64: |
SK8T3R215 posted...
So are we just gonna periodically forgive $10K every 5 to 10 years now?Again, we would ideally fix the root causes, but thats not going to happen with a Republican Senate or President Biden Its just that, ideally, President Biden would use every executive remedy he could to the fullest possible extent to combat the pandemic and the attendant economic crisis. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 11/16/20 10:59:49 PM #65: |
voldothegr8 posted...
Will I be getting a rebate for paying mine off? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FursonaNonGrata 11/16/20 11:03:28 PM #66: |
It should be far more. I say that as someone who paid off a modest student loan and currently have a mortgage payment. I dont give a fuck that I already paid mine off, there are millions of people who are working poor because of student loans. They should have a better chance at a situation comparable to mine. Sixty years ago you could raise a family buy a house and pay for your kids college on one full time job. Thats the last time having a college degree actually made a noticeable difference for people.
I dont give a fuck about anyone who posts graphs and charts and essays from hack economists to try and justify millions of people working themselves to death for scraps. Youre all defending a system that youll never truly benefit from. Working class people have been getting the shit end of the stick for generations while more and more wealth is concentrated within a smaller and smaller group of people. Thats all the evidence I need to believe that a better way is possible. --- I fought the Mods and I won ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phynaster 11/16/20 11:15:26 PM #67: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Okay. Just don't expect Harvard to go free as well.Okay? Are you under the impression that "Harvard" is the typical university experience for most Americans? And anyone going to Harvard post-baccalaureate is probably getting their tuition covered anyways. BilalPowell posted... If public college is free jobs arent gonna respect degrees from those colleges anymore.Works in most other countries just fine. Guess the "greatest country in the world" ain't so great eh? Solid Snake07 posted... I got bad news for all of you "free college" people, most of you aren't gonna make the cut in that systemI'm on my way to becoming a college professor, and I and the faculty who have taught me all support free college. Try again. Shit, even my staunchly libertarian/right-leaning colleague has said if loan forgiveness gets passed that'll be the one good thing to come out of a Biden administration. --- Rebel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/16/20 11:18:50 PM #68: |
Phynaster posted...
I'm on my way to becoming a college professor, and I and the faculty who have taught me all support free college. Try again.I think the point there is that "party school" and "sixth-year senior" will cease to exist. That's not a bad thing, but it's certainly bad for the drunkards who would have finally gotten a degree after six years. ... eight years. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SamsungGearS2 11/16/20 11:21:04 PM #69: |
No. People with shitty degrees and bad financial decisions have made their bed and slept in it.
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Questionmarktarius 11/16/20 11:22:24 PM #70: |
SamsungGearS2 posted...
No. People with shitty degrees and bad financial decisions have made their bed and slept in it.Well, if college is "free", the only shitty degrees that would be allowed to exist would be whatever idealistic social crusade is in vogue at any given point in time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 11:28:20 PM #71: |
SevenTenths posted...
Go enroll in some night classes Sounds fun, unfortunately I have a business to run and people to keep employed. Maybe when I retire --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phynaster 11/16/20 11:30:19 PM #72: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Well, if college is "free", the only shitty degrees that would be allowed to exist would be whatever idealistic social crusade is in vogue at any given point in time.Maybe we should stop framing the pursuit of knowledge for knowledges sake as shitty. And im pretty sure plenty of the degrees you consider shitty are still offered in countries with free uni --- Rebel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phynaster 11/16/20 11:30:32 PM #73: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
Sounds fun, unfortunately I have a business to run and people to keep employed. Maybe when I retireLmao you are so perpetually full of shit --- Rebel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skermac 11/16/20 11:31:56 PM #74: |
i think its not enough tbh
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 11:32:09 PM #75: |
Phynaster posted...
Lmao you are so perpetually full of shit You sound incredibly bitter --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BilalPowell 11/16/20 11:33:06 PM #76: |
Maybe there should be a test. Whoever says they'll accept a free $10K gets it. Whoever says they want more than $10K gets nothing.
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SamsungGearS2 11/16/20 11:35:27 PM #77: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Well, if college is "free", the only shitty degrees that would be allowed to exist would be whatever idealistic social crusade is in vogue at any given point in time.Why should people who get degrees with little to no career path, such as Gender Studies and Communications, have their cake and eat it too? --- Posted from my iPhone 12, HP Envy x360, Dell Inspiron 545S, or Kindle Fire HD 10 Currently watching: South Park Season 6; Orange is the New Black Season 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/16/20 11:39:26 PM #78: |
I Dont support the forgiveness of any debt outside of STEMS. And why do people keep calling it 'free' collage? It's the 'free' healthcare fiasco all over again.
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Questionmarktarius 11/16/20 11:39:43 PM #79: |
SamsungGearS2 posted...
Why should people who get degrees with little to no career path, such as Gender Studies and Communications, have their cake and eat it too?Exactly - unless, of course, it's the idealistic social crusade of the day. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MutantJohn 11/16/20 11:41:58 PM #80: |
Student debt is holding back the economy. Forgive it all
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TheOtherMike 11/16/20 11:42:06 PM #81: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
Pretty hilarious how often people here try to dodge the shit they themselves said with "you can't read" No, he's absolutely right. If you think he contradicted himself in that post you have shit reading comprehension. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SevenTenths 11/16/20 11:46:52 PM #82: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
Sounds fun, unfortunately I have a business to run and people to keep employed. Maybe when I retireSure, get your secretary to help you read the entire sentence then. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FursonaNonGrata 11/16/20 11:48:25 PM #83: |
Solid Snake07 posted...
Sounds fun, unfortunately I have a business to run and people to keep employed. Maybe when I retire Homie you shitpost on CE literally all day and you expect us to believe you when you say youre busy running a business. --- I fought the Mods and I won ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dreepapult 11/16/20 11:53:34 PM #84: |
Where does the money come from to pay this debt?
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Solid Snake07 11/16/20 11:55:41 PM #85: |
FursonaNonGrata posted...
Homie you shitpost on CE literally all day and you expect us to believe you when you say youre busy running a business. I'm definitely not here all day and honestly don't really give a shit what you believe lol But you're right, I do waste too much time here --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SamsungGearS2 11/16/20 11:55:51 PM #86: |
Dreepapult posted...
Where does the money come from to pay this debt?Taxes from those of us who didn't default on their loans. --- Posted from my iPhone 12, HP Envy x360, Dell Inspiron 545S, or Kindle Fire HD 10 Currently watching: South Park Season 6; Orange is the New Black Season 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/16/20 11:56:43 PM #87: |
Dreepapult posted...
Where does the money come from to pay this debt?The surprise around April of the next year when it's suddenly "taxable income". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dreepapult 11/16/20 11:57:24 PM #88: |
SamsungGearS2 posted...
Taxes from those of us who didn't default on their loans.I mean I don't make shit. If it comes from his plan to tax the rich, that's fine. But don't be raising my poor ass taxes to pay for this. --- Entropy happens ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dreepapult 11/16/20 11:58:23 PM #89: |
Because even the Dems say they won't raise taxes on lower middle class.
But then it fucking happens anyway Cuz fuck the lower middle apparently --- Entropy happens ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phynaster 11/16/20 11:58:49 PM #90: |
Prismsblade posted...
I Dont support the forgiveness of any debt outside of STEMS. Prismsblade posted... collage God the jokes just write themselves don't they --- Rebel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 11/16/20 11:59:54 PM #91: |
Dreepapult posted...
Because even the Dems say they won't raise taxes on lower middle class. Why should they care if daddy government is ready to take caaaare of them --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dreepapult 11/17/20 12:01:35 AM #92: |
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Why should they care if daddy government is ready to take caaaare of themI'm one of them. And no I don't want daddy govt to take care of me. I'm just tired of daddy's unlubed cock being shoved in my ass while the rich get their cocks sucked by daddy govt. --- Entropy happens ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beemo_Season11 11/17/20 12:37:24 AM #93: |
Phynaster posted...
The solution is to make college free, not to stop giving out loans. Id take $10k in free tuition for community college ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/17/20 12:40:09 AM #94: |
Beemo_Season11 posted...
Id take $10k in free tuition for community collegeWouldn't that be functionally identical? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muchdran 11/17/20 12:47:42 AM #95: |
Mines paid off. How do I get this?
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Questionmarktarius 11/17/20 12:51:05 AM #96: |
muchdran posted...
Mines paid off. How do I get this?uh... go back to school, soon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimDiamond 11/17/20 1:03:22 AM #97: |
CADE FOSTER posted...
10k less debt is still good It doesn't solve anything. What does debtors in is the interest rate. There are people who pay the bare minimum only to realize their balance is higher than it was 5-10 years ago. --- imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg dude if donald trump can be president you can do what ever your heart desires- dredayy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/17/20 1:06:14 AM #98: |
TimDiamond posted...
What does debtors in is the interest rate.FAFSA loans should have been 0% interest (or really fucking low), forever. I've beaten the hell out my old loans since March, when the interest suddenly dropped to nothing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Rinku_ 11/17/20 1:20:02 AM #99: |
So, the point of student loan forgiveness is ostensibly to ease or entirely relieve that financial burden from the post-boomer generations (mostly millenials, but can reasonably include late gen x and early gen z) so that they can then put money directly into the economy.
When you have to pay $500/month towards a student loan that never truly goes down, you can't buy a house. If an entire generation can't afford to buy houses, the market collapses (this also means that the home owners can't sell their houses). When you have to pay $500/month, you delay (or entirely rule out) having children. If enough people are effectively barred from parenthood, it's going to make our population extremely top heavy and place a tremendous burden on our children's generation (late gen z and what comes after them). When you have to pay $500/month, you spend less on "luxuries" like entertainment (movies, books, concerts, art, etc.), services (hair stylists, nail salons, personal trainers, lawn care, etc.), and goods (restaurants, clothes, food, etc.). These are all things that put money into the pockets of other people, who in turn spend it on other things, and keep the economy going. Without disposable income, soon almost no one will be able to make a living. So, for the average student loan debt of 30k, 10k isn't "nothing" but it's not enough to make a difference and free up enough income to stimulate the economy. 50k covers the average and hopefully chips away at the debts of the people who owe a lot more. Also, wrt the argument that "why should we forgive debt if this will just happen again?" Congratulations, you've almost got it. This would be step one. The next step would be making college more affordable. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 11/17/20 1:20:38 AM #100: |
Fuck no. Forgive ALL student loan debt immediately.
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