Current Events > Would a different President have lead to less COVID deaths?

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Current count is ~242,000

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He literally got it himself. That's how good he was at handling it. I like my presidents to not catch Covid.

Someone else here used that last joke here first. It just worked well.

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Yes, much less, although the death toll would likely still be 100,000+. But tens of thousands of lives might have been saved.

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yes, but not Hillary Clinton. there would have been even more resistance to anything she ordered (or even suggested) than there was to the governors who did so.

unless, of course, a competent immediate response kept it from spreading in the first place. which seems unlikely with the results from everywhere else, but isn't theoretically impossible.

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His stupid ass was still calling it a hoax when 75k people died.

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Yes, he would have taken measures immediately instead of treating it like a hoax.

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Nope. Trump didn't make people hang out with their friends or go to the beach or go clubbing. Also presidents can't enforce mask wearing, shut downs or quarantines, so using china as an exaple doesn't work. Right now many countries in Europe are having more new cases per capita than us.

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Yes

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Medussa posted...

yes, but not Hillary Clinton. there would have been even more resistance to anything she ordered (or even suggested) than there was to the governors who did so.

unless, of course, a competent immediate response kept it from spreading in the first place. which seems unlikely with the results from everywhere else, but isn't theoretically impossible.

You gotta keep in mind that there's no cult in this universe. There is no 3 years of somebody telling people to do the exact opposite of what democrats say, even if it goes against their countries best interest.

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Most other presidents would have not disbanded everything Obama setup to prepare for a pandemic.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Most other presidents would have not disbanded everything Obama setup to prepare for a pandemic.

This

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You gotta keep in mind that there's no cult in this universe. There is no 3 years of somebody telling people to do the exact opposite of what democrats say, even if it goes against their countries best interest.

as a long recovered cultist, that cult has existed since the 1980s, if not longer. The right has been campaigning against Hillary Clinton for at least 30 years. Trump might have dialed up the insane to 11, but it has been around, festering, for a long time. Right-wing media is a hell of a drug.

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Maybe, but Americans are selfish af.

Covid has been a serious issue in a lot of other countries, not just America. If people just flat out ignore social distancing rules like they have been doing you're going to have a big problem no matter what

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If Trump was never president you would probably have a lot less people thinking it was a hoax.
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Trump didnt make yall go out to Red Robin and stuff your face with burgers while there was a fucking pandemic going on. No, my friends, thats all on us.

You want someone to blame for the soaring rates, take a good long look in the mirror and think how you could have done better.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Most other presidents would have not disbanded everything Obama setup to prepare for a pandemic.

Obama and W Bush. The two prior administrations both took it seriously and had plans in place for their successors to build on.

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Medussa posted...

as a long recovered cultist, that cult has existed since the 1980s, if not longer. The right has been campaigning against Hillary Clinton for at least 30 years. Trump might have dialed up the insane to 11, but has been around, festering, for a long time. Right-wing media is a hell of a drug.

None of that matters tho. Because it wouldn't of all came together in this moment during the pandemic. Of course I'm not dumb enough to think Trump made all these people who they are. He just activated them all at the worst possible time. You can't say him not being here wouldn't of stopped this kind of response in a major way. They would of been disenfranchised, spread out and way less effective. Giving them way less impact. People would of still ran out and panic bought toilet paper and guns and all that savage shit, but so far, those aren't the things bringing us down. It's Trump's ability to gather and point these people at the countries weak spots.

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Yes.
Americans would still be stupid though.

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Trump's consistent downplaying and lying about the virus gives me zero doubt that there would be significantly fewer deaths if we had a competent leader

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Not a hoax, China is absolutely at fault. But biden let's them fuck the world. I wonder why?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

None of that matters tho. Because it wouldn't of all came together in this moment during the pandemic. Of course I'm not dumb enough to think Trump made all these people who they are. He just activated them all at the worst possible time. You can't say him not being here wouldn't of stopped this kind of response in a major way. They would of been disenfranchised, spread out and way less effective. Giving them way less impact. People would of still ran out and panic bought toilet paper and guns and all that savage shit, but so far, those aren't the things bringing us down. It's Trump's ability to gather and point these people at the countries weak spots.

i'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure you're wrong. If a democrat president told america to put their fucking masks on and social distance, most of these people would have reacted just as poorly as they did in this timeline. But if Hillary Clinton did it, even more of them would have done the exact opposite of what they were told, because the right has the biggest hate boner for her of all fucking time.

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

You want someone to blame for the soaring rates, take a good long look in the mirror and think how you could have done better.

I would have not dismantled the pandemic response team. And with that metric in mind, my asthmatic cat would have done a better job than Trump.

Medussa posted...

i'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure you're wrong. If a democrat president told america to put their fucking masks on and social distance, most of these people would have reacted just as poorly as they did in this timeline. But if Hillary Clinton did it, even more of them would have done the exact opposite of what they were told, because the right has the biggest hate boner for her of all fucking time.

I'm not arguing that they wouldn't. I'm just arguing it would be a less gathered effort snd less effective. They wouldn't all be connected through MAGA. And that gathering cult wouldn't be connected to the most powerful person in the country. And the most powerful person on the country wouldn't actively be telling them they're being fucked over by their leaders. The leaders he's suppose to be in charge of. I don't mean this as an insult, but are you not aware of the power of forming and mobilizing a cult? Not a group of individuals, but a cult. People who will die like ants for their queen. MAGA wouldn't exist. It's insane to me to not see the power in that. Ever since they became a thing, they've torn at the progress of society every chance they get. That's their whole entire thing.

We would of been nowhere near as fractured when this pandemic hit. And we wouldn't of had our leader constantly working to fracture us more during it. Hillary would be playing both sides. At least to an extent. Trump has absolutely no budge. He's never learned even the toddler's understanding of compromise.

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While it's true Trump intentionally let it spread because he wanted to kill the poor, the end result would have been the same no matter what. Because in the end, it came down to conservative assholes blatantly disregarding guidelines. NOT Donald Trump.

If Obama or Hillary called for a mask mandate, the right would still be anti-mask purely out of spite for her. They would still be calling it a hoax.

Biden sure as hell isn't getting anything done. It's too late to really stop it at this point and he wants to appease the same rich donors that wanted to push for keeping the economy going that Trump did.
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Nancy pelosi was out in Chinatown, Governor Cuomo sent elderly people in nursing homes. What kinda weird world do we live in?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

but are you not aware of the power of forming and mobilizing a cult?

i was in it. it's not Trump's cult. It's Rush Limbaugh's, and the dozens of people like him who he inspired over the years to spread the same message.

It's been here for decades. all 2016 did was encourage them to scream it instead of speaking it.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

would of

Lost_All_Senses posted...

wouldn't of

Stop it.

TheOtherMike posted...

Stop it.

You would of loved to see me stop.

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