Current Events > The dynamics of weapon combat in martial arts is fascinating

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I love watching videos of sparring sessions,or breaking down different kind of interactions. Like, I'm watching a video on how someone with just a blunt staff has a massive advantage on just about any sword user unless they have a shield

Don't share it here or nothing.

*reverse psychology*
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Notti posted...

Don't share it here or nothing.

*reverse psychology*

https://youtu.be/VHZKHmqa0KY

Of course having zero training myself i have no idea how accurate this is

"no bro you don't understand, you're not supposed to attack me like that, you have to attack here like this" - martial arts

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ModLogic posted...

"no bro you don't understand, you're not supposed to attack me like that, you have to attack here like this" - martial arts

You attack however is most effective without putting yourself in danger

yeah swords were generally much less effective than thrusting weapons (spears/pikes) and larger, heavier weapons (axes/maces)

swords were really more like status symbols than anything else

I guess I had never really considered their utility against a regular wooden staff before, but it makes sense.

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Shinto Muso Ryu is an interesting one based around that concept. Suppose you are a constable, a peasant, and there is some unruly drunk Samurai stirring up shit in your town. You have to deal with him. You can't kill him or maim him, he's a samurai and you are a lowly constable. He has a sword and you have what is essentially a long stick, a 4 foot staff called a Jo. The whole school (it's an old school so it's considered koryu) is built around the concept of disarming or disabling an opponent armed with a sword with a simple short staff. It's impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nay9-hoyNB4

@averagejoel This is correct. For most of history swords were back up weapons or dueling weapons. If you were a knight, you fought on horseback with spear or lance. If you got unhorsed or disarmed it was what you went to. Later it became for one on one combat, duels and the like. For the Samurai it was your walking around weapon in your day to day life and a symbol of your status.

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Lmao absolute waste of time

learn how to use a rifle and pistol instead

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gna647 posted...

Lmao absolute waste of time

learn how to use a rifle and pistol instead

I'd rather not use any outside of sparring

LivingLegend posted...

I own a Glock pistol.... I win against either of these guys.

Nope

LivingLegend posted...

Literally yes.

The only way I lose is if I have to place the gun on the ground and take 10 steps backward.

Otherwise, its a 2 second quick draw, bang, bang... I win.

Mmk kid

LivingLegend posted...

This isnt anime... The only chance these guys have is if the gun jams... But its a Glock, so it wont jam.

Nobody cares lol

ModLogic posted...

"no bro you don't understand, you're not supposed to attack me like that, you have to attack here like this" - martial arts

When you're trying to have a cool sword fight like in the movies with your friend but he keeps stabbing and you have no defense.

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If they have archers, you might have trouble. Generally it would be unwise to travel alone so you'd be surrounded. Guns are fast but not that fast.

Of course you could just bring more people with guns. Cause it's dangerous to go alone.

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LivingLegend posted...

Literally yes.

The only way I lose is if I have to place the gun on the ground and take 10 steps backward.

Otherwise, its a 2 second quick draw, bang, bang... I win.

Even vs. a knife youre probably going to lose unless youre some sort of quickdraw prodigy. And even then people can survive quite a while with several bullets in them. Long enough to carve you like a turkey. Its not like The Matrix where people fly back from a handgun shot. As youre a gun owner its embarrassing that you dont know that.

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averagejoel posted...

yeah swords were generally much less effective than thrusting weapons (spears/pikes) and larger, heavier weapons (axes/maces)

swords were really more like status symbols than anything else

I guess I had never really considered their utility against a regular wooden staff before, but it makes sense.

So yes, swords are generally back-up weapons, but maces and axes tend to be shorter than swords, not longer (unless we're talking a gladius or other short sword, or something like a dane axe or pole arm with an axe head.

They're also of comparable weight, just balanced differently. Single handed weapons tend to be of a similar weight. Axes you see in fantasy aren't what battle axes looked like irl.

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First of all, people can survive single gunshot wounds, you'd want to unload all of your ammunition at them. Second, do you think you can quickly switch targets who are charging at you with intent to kill and hit both reliably? If you mess up, you're dead. I'd certainly give you extremely favorable odds, but its not that simple or guaranteed. Unless you've seen combat or have a lot of military training, in a 2v1 in moderately close range, i'd put my money's on whoever you target first being dead, you being dead, and the second swordsman has been non-fatally shot.

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There's always that legendary duel wherein Musashi beat the shit out of Kojiro with a boat oar.

ModLogic posted...

"no bro you don't understand, you're not supposed to attack me like that, you have to attack here like this" - martial arts

Yeah obviously all UFC fights are scripted

wait no shut the fuck up

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LivingLegend posted...

Lmao... A knife is not going to beat a person with a gun unless they ran up and stabbed you in the back by surprise.

Unless a gun is already drawn and aimed there's a very significant danger if they're within 5-6 feet of you that they can reach you and stab you before you can draw your gun.

So like if you're having a heated argument with some random stranger on the sidewalk and you're packing but he just decides first that he's going to stab you and you're only a few inches apart, he's probably going to succeed.

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I dont see how its that surprising that something with a reach distance advantage that is overall way easier to utilize beats out a shorter weapon that requires you to constantly think about the way youre swinging it to be effective

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LivingLegend posted...

Lmao... A knife is not going to beat a person with a gun unless they ran up and stabbed you in the back by surprise.

Somebody doesn't know the Tueller Drill and should probably shut the fuck up and quit embarrassing himself.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Yeah obviously all UFC fights are scripted

wait no shut the fuck up

lmfao about as real as professional wrestling

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LivingLegend posted...

If someone is hostile and moving toward me then my gun is already going to be drawn at that point.

So you're gonna pull a gun on a guy angrily walking in your direction because he's having a bad day?

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Bruh, I will block and deflect your baby glock bullets with my sword. Maybe even send them back at you.

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ModLogic posted...

lmfao about as real as professional wrestling

This kid lol

Just ignore ModLogic and LivingLegend, they have nothing of value to provide here

ultimate reaver posted...

I dont see how its that surprising that something with a reach distance advantage that is overall way easier to utilize beats out a shorter weapon that requires you to constantly think about the way youre swinging it to be effective

My thoughts as well. Seems to be an issue of leveraging

Also:
RadiantAdolin posted...

Just ignore ModLogic and LivingLegend, they have nothing of value to provide here

LivingLegend(YWS) has me on block because he's a coward on the NFL board

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LivingLegend posted...

If someone is hostile and moving toward me then my gun is already going to be drawn at that point.

How old are you?

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I like when weebs claim swords can defeat guns.

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Yeah Im not buying that mans lies. Give me a sword over a staff any day. Ill throw that shit him if it came to it.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

I like when weebs claim swords can defeat guns.

Nobody is seriously claiming that

Returning_CEmen posted...

Yeah Im not buying that mans lies. Give me a sword over a staff any day. Ill throw that shit him if it came to it.

You'd miss and be without a weapon

RadiantAdolin posted...

You'd miss and be without a weapon

Most likely but hed be distracted long enough for me to grab a hold of the staff too. Then it becomes a war of bronze.

averagejoel posted...

swords were really more like status symbols than anything else

They're the medieval personal defense weapon.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsfPiu8SQg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5B_mdlor5M

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Mythbusters covered the Tueller drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft, the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot. So I would then postulate with a longer weapon than a knife that you would adjust the distance at which the threat becomes credible.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

They're the medieval personal defense weapon.

Ehhhhh they were pretty expensive for that. Other weapons were far more practical.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Mythbusters covered the Tueller drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft, the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot. So I would then postulate with a longer weapon than a knife that you would adjust the distance at which the threat becomes credible.

The sword in all seriousness is likely worse off in the Tueller drill because it's much slower than a knife.

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It is pretty common knowledge that in the hands of a master the katana is the most dangerous weapon ever even more dangerous than a gun. Luckily it takes a lot of skill and dedication to master the katana and it is an honorable weapon only carried by men of honor so you don't have to worry about random katana attacks.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Mythbusters covered the Tueller drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 ft, the gun-wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot. So I would then postulate with a longer weapon than a knife that you would adjust the distance at which the threat becomes credible.

You also need to factor in that a single shot and a single cut isnt likely going to end it. Even if you hit the knife guy a few times hes still going to reach you and repeatedly stab you

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The sword in all seriousness is likely worse off in the Tueller drill because it's much slower than a knife.

A sword is also much bigger and hard to conceal. The gun-wielder would be on alert quicker.

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Chicken posted...

You also need to factor in that a single shot and a single cut isnt likely going to end it. Even if you hit the knife guy a few times hes still going to reach you and repeatedly stab you

Unless the knife guy is hopped up on meth or something he's done as soon as he takes the first bullet. He may / may not die but he will be in far too much pain to be an effective threat with a knife.

The reverse doesn't apply. Excepting for some vital organs or things like the crotch / head / etc it's actually possible to not even realize you've been stabbed. Humans can also survive far more stab wounds than bullets. It's not uncommon for someone to get stabbed like 30 times and survive provided they get to a hospital in time but getting shot 30 times and living is a statistical miracle.

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