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DeadSite 10/08/20 12:46:48 PM #1: |
Biden and Kamala may as well be 2000 Republicans and Trump is just far right garbage. True left candidates have been swallowed up by this need to have centrist representatives because the Republicans under Trump have become more right than ever
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Irony 10/08/20 12:47:28 PM #2: |
Are you Endgame?
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YellowMustard69 10/08/20 12:49:17 PM #3: |
I don't see how Biden would differ much from Obama in terms of how left somebody is.
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DeadSite 10/08/20 12:49:37 PM #4: |
YellowMustard69 posted...
I don't see how Biden would differ much from Obama in terms of how left somebody is.Obama isn't even that left either lol --- Imagine pictures of Zendaya here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/08/20 12:50:47 PM #5: |
pretty sure republicans in 2000 didn't support a $15 minimum wage and public option healthcare lol
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Sackgurl 10/08/20 12:50:52 PM #6: |
YellowMustard69 posted...
I don't see how Biden would differ much from Obama in terms of how left somebody is. he was a fair bit more conservative than obama during the 2008 campaign and generally has presented himself as a centrist at least he isn't proposing early compromise with a republican-stuffed cabinet though --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YellowMustard69 10/08/20 12:51:05 PM #7: |
DeadSite posted...
Obama isn't even that left either lol What do you mean by "no longer" then? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JinGiReiChiShin 10/08/20 12:52:06 PM #8: |
GOP: Biden/Harris are commies!
Dems: Biden/Harris aren't leftist enough. --- 'Jin' is never far off, he who seeks it has already found it - Confucius ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sauceje 10/08/20 12:53:13 PM #9: |
JinGiReiChiShin posted...
Dems: Biden/Harris aren't leftist enough.The dems absolutely think Biden/Harris are left enough or they'd have left Bernie in. --- He was born in a coop, raised in a cage, children fear him, critics rage, He's half alive, he's half dead, folks just call him Buckethead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JinGiReiChiShin 10/08/20 12:54:39 PM #10: |
sauceje posted...
The dems absolutely think Biden/Harris are left enough or they'd have left Bernie in. I don't mean the top democrats, I mean democratic voters in general think Biden/Harris are too rightwing (like this topic) --- 'Jin' is never far off, he who seeks it has already found it - Confucius ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 10/08/20 12:55:52 PM #11: |
JinGiReiChiShin posted...
I don't mean the top democrats, I mean democratic voters in general think Biden/Harris are too rightwing (like this topic) i think sauceje's point holds there too biden was 'good enough' for core dem voters who basically didn't trust white people (less the activist dems, more the 'undecided' suburban moms of ohio who completely ignore politics until october 31) to vote for someone like sanders certainly most of the activist portion of the party was not pleased because republicans were going to call him a communist no matter what he said or did there is a painfully realistic argument in favor of dems operating this way. a lot of americans, especially in the swing states, are basically conservatives but want it sugarcoated. little known fact that almost all of the swing states are more conservative than the nation as a whole, and dems probably have the popular vote for president secured for a very long time now. there's really no reason for any typically blue state not to sign the popular vote interstate compact. lo and behold almost all signatories now are blue states. trump's refusal to sugarcoat the fascism turns these conservative-in-denial folks off, and a nice milquetoast dem who won't do anything significant (or at least says that while running) is what they'd prefer --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmidgeIsntBack 10/08/20 12:56:34 PM #12: |
We had representation?
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DeadSite 10/08/20 12:58:55 PM #13: |
YellowMustard69 posted...
What do you mean by "no longer" then?I'd argue Gore and Kerry were much lefter candidates compared to the norm back then while Obama was a regression towards the center. Biden is a continuation of that trend --- Imagine pictures of Zendaya here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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monkmith 10/08/20 1:00:06 PM #14: |
this looks suspiciously like the opening lines to the "bernie lost, better vote for trump" argument so many "bernie bros" make...
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COVxy 10/08/20 1:01:10 PM #15: |
You're a moron.
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Funkydog 10/08/20 1:04:40 PM #16: |
"Biden isn't our perfect candidate, so here is why we should let a wannabe monster dictator retain power"
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John_Galt 10/08/20 1:06:20 PM #17: |
It does not matter if Biden/Harris are republican-lite, we have to stop the orange man
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Damn_Underscore 10/08/20 1:06:47 PM #18: |
Alt right Joe Biden
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DeadSite 10/08/20 1:09:09 PM #19: |
monkmith posted...
this looks suspiciously like the opening lines to the "bernie lost, better vote for trump" argument so many "bernie bros" make...Never said that, not voting Trump Funkydog posted... "Biden isn't our perfect candidate, so here is why we should let a wannabe monster dictator retain power"When did I say that? --- Imagine pictures of Zendaya here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 10/08/20 1:10:52 PM #20: |
perhaps there's not enough of "the left" to receive representation in the executive branch
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Funkydog 10/08/20 1:13:29 PM #21: |
DeadSite posted...
Never said that, not voting TrumpWhat's the point of bringing it up at the moment then? People are aware of it, but when the other choice is Trump, something gotta just suck up and push for them to change when you have someone not a disgusting shit stain in power. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadSite 10/08/20 1:17:37 PM #22: |
Funkydog posted...
What's the point of bringing it up at the moment then?Why not? Are we not allowed to discuss how the democrats have adopted a centrist policy with Trump in office? Funkydog posted... People are aware of it, but when the other choice is Trump, something gotta just suck up and push for them to change when you have someone not a disgusting shit stain in power.Well why shouldn't we discuss why that's the only other option? --- Imagine pictures of Zendaya here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaWarrior455 10/08/20 1:20:18 PM #23: |
Funkydog posted...
What's the point of bringing it up at the moment then?Seems like a lot of people here are ok with Biden and will probably go back to ignoring or excusing everything he does once he wins the election. Just because you may be voting for Biden doesn't mean you have to shrug your shoulders and be ok with everything he does. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 1:21:17 PM #24: |
Linda McMahon doesn't work there anymore?
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ElatedVenusaur 10/08/20 1:21:38 PM #25: |
Funkydog posted...
"Biden isn't our perfect candidate, so here is why we should let a wannabe monster dictator retain power"It's centrist Democrats who have continually enabled Trump's government. They cry and scream about how evil Trump is, but then go about business as usual. They're faced with Trump appointing a justice to the Supreme Court at a time when he is openly implying he won't accept the result of the election(if he loses), and their reaction is to just to shrug and throw up their hands. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 10/08/20 1:22:07 PM #26: |
"no longer" is doing some work in that topic title
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 1:22:59 PM #27: |
Antifar posted...
"no longer" is doing some work in that topic title"Since FDR" is covered by "no longer", yes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 10/08/20 1:24:30 PM #28: |
JinGiReiChiShin posted...
Some do, but the majority dont. See: the democratic primaries I get it, it sucks that our voting system doesnt represent what really should be a separate party very well. But it is untrue to claim that Biden & Harris arent what the majority of the democraric party want today. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 10/08/20 1:37:34 PM #30: |
The issue with the term leftist in modern use is that there's almost no consensus on what it means, and people deploy it in very very flexible ways.
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Funkydog 10/08/20 1:58:32 PM #31: |
DeadSite posted...
Why not? Are we not allowed to discuss how the democrats have adopted a centrist policy with Trump in office?They suck for sure, and I think it's a worthy conversation for Americans to have when Biden hopefully gets in. For now just feels from my outsider perspective to focus on making sure he DOES get in power so you can work on making them less shit. NinjaWarrior455 posted... Seems like a lot of people here are ok with Biden and will probably go back to ignoring or excusing everything he does once he wins the election. Just because you may be voting for Biden doesn't mean you have to shrug your shoulders and be ok with everything he does.I'm not even American and have a dim view of American's "left" as many of them are pretty right from my point of view. I just think better to focus on making sure he gets in power than criticising him and potentially putting people off voting. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 2:06:15 PM #33: |
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We can just discuss things.You'd like to think that, then Error starts swinging that hammer around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/08/20 2:11:28 PM #34: |
shockthemonkey posted...
This is CE. Were not that important. We can just discuss things.I'm not sure CE can discuss things! :P But I get your point and it's a fair one. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TroutPaste 10/08/20 2:13:11 PM #35: |
JinGiReiChiShin posted...
GOP: Biden/Harris are commies! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EzeDoesIt 10/08/20 2:16:21 PM #37: |
Doom_Art posted...
pretty sure republicans in 2000 didn't support a $15 minimum wage and public option healthcare lol Bargaining with capital is not really a leftist strategy in the first place. As long as business owners are allowed to move around freely, they will seek the lowest paid workers to employ. When wages are raised, businesses will move away unless they can increase productivity through automation, or increase the amount of stuff they're selling. Only with the abolition of wage labour can the plight of the average worker be solved for good. --- "Beef is when I quote you, guaranteed to break the TOU." -The Notorious Shablagoo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 2:18:52 PM #38: |
EzeDoesIt posted...
As long as business owners are allowed to move around freely, they will seek the lowest paid workers to employ.Which is why the left will always be anti-liberty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EzeDoesIt 10/08/20 2:20:17 PM #39: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Which is why the left will always be anti-liberty. Liberty comes from equality, not the absolute freedom of the few to exploit their fellow man. --- "Beef is when I quote you, guaranteed to break the TOU." -The Notorious Shablagoo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 2:21:16 PM #40: |
EzeDoesIt posted...
Liberty comes from equalityYou have that causal relationship backwards. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EzeDoesIt 10/08/20 2:28:04 PM #41: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
You have that causal relationship backwards. How is the liberty of business owners to do this EzeDoesIt posted... As long as business owners are allowed to move around freely, they will seek the lowest paid workers to employ. creating equality, in your mind? --- "Beef is when I quote you, guaranteed to break the TOU." -The Notorious Shablagoo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/08/20 2:29:26 PM #42: |
EzeDoesIt posted...
creating equality, in your mind?equality and equity are different concepts. Superficially similar, yes, but fundamentally vastly different. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 10/08/20 2:29:52 PM #43: |
Democratic Party has the most progressive platform in its history
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