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averagejoel
09/28/20 5:58:44 PM
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COVxy
09/28/20 6:43:40 PM
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Antifar posted...
What if that agenda is preferable, though?

Just to be clear here: are you saying that misinformation is good if it serves a good cause?

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Smashingpmkns
09/28/20 6:46:58 PM
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Dunno why anyone has a problem with this. They're not proposing to start a misinformation campaign to combat PragerU. Dunno why that's even being brought up.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/28/20 6:49:49 PM
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COVxy posted...
Just to be clear here: are you saying that misinformation is good if it serves a good cause?

i dont think he's saying that, no. agenda doesn't infer misinformation

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COVxy
09/28/20 6:49:54 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Dunno why anyone has a problem with this. They're not proposing to start a misinformation campaign to combat PragerU. Dunno why that's even being brought up.

Probably not. But strange that the response to that was "well, it's a preferable agenda".

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Smashingpmkns
09/28/20 6:53:33 PM
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COVxy posted...
Probably not. But strange that the response to that was "well, it's a preferable agenda".

Seems like a lot of posts were misrepresenting what he said. And regardless, Gravel Institution isn't proposing to make propaganda or anything like PragerU but instead to refute their claims and make informative videos in order to educate people on leftist ideas.
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averagejoel
09/28/20 6:55:47 PM
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COVxy posted...
Just to be clear here: are you saying that misinformation is good if it serves a good cause?
what indication is there that the Gravel Institute is actually publishing misinformation?

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BadderHare
09/28/20 7:05:41 PM
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There's literally misinformation in the video posted above, like they couldn't go one video without doing the same kind of thing.

You guys have to understand that you're not immune to propaganda. Truth is not what sounds nice to you personally. It's nice that we can see PragerU for what it really is, but we should apply that same skepticism everywhere.
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Garioshi
09/28/20 7:07:38 PM
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BadderHare posted...
There's literally misinformation in the video posted above
well if you say so, it must be true!

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BadderHare
09/28/20 7:09:22 PM
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Garioshi posted...
well if you say so, it must be true!

please reread this post until you realize the irony
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Garioshi
09/28/20 7:13:42 PM
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BadderHare posted...
please reread this post until you realize the irony
so you're not going to substantiate your claim then

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Delirious_Beard
09/28/20 7:15:58 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Seems like a lot of posts were misrepresenting what he said. And regardless, Gravel Institution isn't proposing to make propaganda or anything like PragerU but instead to refute their claims and make informative videos in order to educate people on leftist ideas.

i'm skeptical about that for the same reason i'm skeptical of other leftist youtubers who make vids debunking alt right chuds, those are usually fine, but the second they start discussing economic and institutional concerns and solutions, they tend to be completely full of shit

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Shablagoo
09/28/20 7:19:16 PM
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In honor of Michael Brooks.



vid got me hyped

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BeantownHero
09/28/20 7:24:56 PM
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"PragerU cant be challenged or refuted in any way" is really the general vibe I'm picking up with people who seem down on this

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BadderHare
09/28/20 7:40:22 PM
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Garioshi posted...
so you're not going to substantiate your claim then

At 3:50 in the video we get two false but often repeated claims: The rich paid far more in taxes during the 50s and incomes for everyone but the wealthy have been stagnant since the 70s.

The first is a half truth, tax rates were higher in the 50s for the wealthy but that is not the same as the effective tax rate (what you actually pay). Meaning no one was actually paying 90% on any part of their income back then. Tax rates were lowered in part to close many of those loopholes and bring the rate more in line with what people were actually paying.

The stagnant wages claim is even more popular, usually because a bad "report" gets parroted by media outlets every month or so. It makes a good headline. When you use two different inflation calculators for wages and GDP growth, leave out non-monetary compensation, take snapshots of groups of people who change over time, etc you get an inaccurate figure of what is actually happening. This paper is a good read on that if you have the time:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w17164.pdf
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BadderHare
09/28/20 7:46:35 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
"PragerU cant be challenged or refuted in any way" is really the general vibe I'm picking up with people who seem down on this

That's odd considering no one has said such a thing.

Maybe a better takeaway is that no one is totally immune to bias confirmation.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/28/20 7:47:44 PM
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the neolib propagandist appears

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BadderHare
09/28/20 7:50:16 PM
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the projection begins
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COVxy
09/28/20 7:56:18 PM
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Not to associate myself with Broseph, but I do think that it probably is the case that short snappy videos like this throwing "facts" at you with cutesy graphics are pretty much going to necessarily feed its audience half truths and misrepresentations. Particularly when the subject matter is political/economic/government related.

The world just isn't that simple. It's very hard to summarize data accurately in that amount of space in my field of systems neuroscience, nevermind something as messy as political science. Like the claim that countries with bigger government having more freedom. That set off alarm bells in my mind. I just don't imagine the data is that clean, despite my underlying view that government run social programs produce more freedom and meritocracy.

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Shablagoo
09/28/20 8:28:26 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
the neolib propagandist appears

nah bruh hes right, we got more refrigerators now, cant argue with that

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TomNook20
09/28/20 8:33:32 PM
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There already is an antithesis. It's the daily show and it's clones.

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MrToothHasYou
09/28/20 8:35:58 PM
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BadderHare posted...
pretty sure political propaganda is universally bad actually

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Lysandear
09/28/20 8:37:41 PM
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COVxy posted...
Just to be clear here: are you saying that misinformation is good if it serves a good cause?
what a fuckin parody ya let yourself become
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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 8:41:31 PM
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Broseph has me blocked, but has he justified his hatred for Briahna Gray besides her being a leftist Black woman? One of his many reactionary takes is an inexplicable and zealous dislike of leftists who are women or POC.

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COVxy
09/28/20 8:42:16 PM
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Lysandear posted...
what a fuckin parody ya let yourself become

Yeah, you may wanna go back and read that exchange.

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Lysandear
09/28/20 8:45:43 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
Broseph has me blocked, but has he justified his hatred for Briahna Gray besides her being a leftist Black woman? One of his many reactionary takes is an inexplicable and zealous dislike of leftists who are women or POC.
when has broseph justified literally anything
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Delirious_Beard
09/28/20 9:17:02 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
Broseph has me blocked, but has he justified his hatred for Briahna Gray besides her being a leftist Black woman? One of his many reactionary takes is an inexplicable and zealous dislike of leftists who are women or POC.

well she's an insane bernie or buster who was so toxic to his campaign he had to publicly disavow her.

this video honestly wasn't as bad as I was expecting but hitching her to this project isn't a great look, even if she's just reading someone else's script

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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 9:19:55 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
well she's an insane bernie or buster who was so toxic to his campaign he had to publicly disavow her.

this video honestly wasn't as bad as I was expecting but hitching her to this project isn't a great look, even if she's just reading someone else's script

What makes you think theyre hitching this project to her? And what about her politics is insane?


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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 9:22:46 PM
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All Im seeing about Gray being toxic is from Daily Kos, so that says enough about anyone on CE who is calling her toxic lmao. Stay racist you pieces of shit.

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BeantownHero
09/28/20 9:25:49 PM
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BadderHare posted...
That's odd considering no one has said such a thing.

Maybe a better takeaway is that no one is totally immune to bias confirmation.

both sides, amirite?

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Damn_Underscore
09/28/20 9:36:57 PM
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Yikes @ the opinions ITT

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averagejoel
09/28/20 9:52:20 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
well she's an insane bernie or buster who was so toxic to his campaign he had to publicly disavow her.

this video honestly wasn't as bad as I was expecting but hitching her to this project isn't a great look, even if she's just reading someone else's script
what did she do that was so bad

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BadderHare
09/28/20 9:54:20 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
both sides, amirite?

you guys have one post you make over and over again
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Delirious_Beard
09/28/20 9:57:57 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
All Im seeing about Gray being toxic is from Daily Kos, so that says enough about anyone on CE who is calling her toxic lmao. Stay racist you pieces of shit.

yeah i'm the racist for not liking the jill stein voter who's willing to throw visibility tucker carlson's way as long as he says bad things about meanie joe biden

she does nothing but but troll on twitter and she was literally his press secretary, it was a remarkable display of unprofessionalism and it reflects rather poorly on bernie's judgement to put a person like this

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/780590640438603777

in such a vital role for his campaign


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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:00:02 PM
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averagejoel posted...
what did she do that was so bad

Rightfully criticized Joe Biden and hurt the neoliberals fee fees by having the audacity to be an outspoken Black woman.

Muh respectability politics is thinly veiled racist code for I get my political views from The West Wing

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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:00:20 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
yeah i'm the racist for not liking the jill stein voter who's willing to throw visibility tucker carlson's way as long as he says bad things about meanie joe biden

she does nothing but but troll on twitter and she was literally his press secretary, it was a remarkable display of unprofessionalism and it reflects rather poorly on bernie's judgement to put a person like this

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/780590640438603777

in such a vital role for his campaign

See my previous post lmao. Get fucked. Imagine quoting a 4 year old tweet to try and make a point that boils down to People like her dont belong in my politics.

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Delirious_Beard
09/28/20 10:13:54 PM
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how about peddling some whacko shit that the dems were complicit in genocide by holding the primaries earlier this year

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1240318747598036995

again, bernie basically disavowed her,. i have no honest idea why anyone would die on this hill to defend her

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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:17:33 PM
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Youve gone from Bernie publicly disavowed her to Bernie basically disavowed her and are now reaching so far that youre getting upset by emojis.

Just admit that your dislike for her stems from racism and sexism and a hatred of leftist politics. Every example youve brought up is nowhere nearly as extreme of a gotcha as you think it is.

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ElatedVenusaur
09/28/20 10:18:44 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
how about peddling some whacko shit that the dems were complicit in genocide by holding the primaries earlier this year

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1240318747598036995

again, bernie basically disavowed her,. i have no honest idea why anyone would die on this hill to defend her
Was it safe to vote?
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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:19:45 PM
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And also imagine believing that urging people to vote in person at the height of the first wave of a literal global pandemic (that has claimed over 200,000 lives in America alone) is defensible in any way whatsoever. Absolute joke existence. What youre implying with your post is comparable to Covid denial.

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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:22:31 PM
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And again Id like to point out that you have yet to meaningfully criticize her actual political views and are continuing to attack her from the standpoint of respectability, which in this context is inherently racist and sexist.

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Shablagoo
09/28/20 10:26:35 PM
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Lmao holy shit I didnt realize Delirious was this ludicrous in his beliefs

Like damn, what he has posted is almost as embarrassing as what Broseph has posted in this topic.

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Geisterdrache
09/28/20 10:28:25 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Was it safe to vote?
Do you know what the term genocide means? Do you seriously believe democrats held primaries with the intention of getting their own voters sick and dying?

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Delirious_Beard
09/28/20 10:38:14 PM
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Shablagoo posted...
Lmao holy shit I didnt realize Delirious was this ludicrous in his beliefs

Like damn, what he has posted is almost as embarrassing as what Broseph has posted in this topic.

still don't really know why you think you have a leg to stand on calling other people's posts embarrassing

you made a topic defending the CCP seizing private property a while back

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BeantownHero
09/28/20 10:39:38 PM
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BadderHare posted...
you guys have one post you make over and over again

well when *you* guys keep making the same point over and over...

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Questionmarktarius
09/28/20 10:42:24 PM
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Erosion of liberty is the bigger disaster, while we're distracted bickering about "no u".
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/06/06/how-many-federal-laws-are-there-again-n2009184
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averagejoel
09/28/20 10:43:12 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
how about peddling some whacko shit that the dems were complicit in genocide by holding the primaries earlier this year

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1240318747598036995

again, bernie basically disavowed her,. i have no honest idea why anyone would die on this hill to defend her
so the thing she did that was "so bad" was... posting an emoji on twitter?

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FursonaNonGrata
09/28/20 10:44:14 PM
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Very nice that Delirious has stopped responding to substantive posts and is just attacking people now. Proves that once again your issues with Briahna Gray and Gravels mission are rooted in reactionary horseshit.

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09/28/20 10:48:24 PM
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Yikes at the racism & sexism ITT

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