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NightMarishPie
09/26/20 10:33:17 PM
#101:


Anyone playing? Might get on in a bit

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pojr
09/26/20 10:43:39 PM
#102:


I'm down to play when I get home. Should be done with work in 15 minutes.

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LostForest
09/27/20 12:11:09 AM
#103:


I could play again tonight, just not to 3am like yesterday lol

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davyheinz
09/27/20 1:03:17 AM
#104:


I wish I could play some, but Im already super tired.

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AceAttorneyist
09/27/20 4:00:38 PM
#107:


Anyone around?

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 5:08:09 PM
#108:


You still around, Ace? I'll play now. Just be warned I'll be a bit rusty lol.

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AceAttorneyist
09/27/20 5:15:19 PM
#109:


NightMarishPie posted...
You still around, Ace? I'll play now. Just be warned I'll be a bit rusty lol.

HMLQY/69

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HannibalBarca3
09/27/20 5:33:24 PM
#110:


I can play in 20. Just have to finish my troy total war campaign

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 5:37:46 PM
#111:


that was just an unfortunate game

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 5:46:04 PM
#112:


switch shit the bed for some reason.

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AceAttorneyist
09/27/20 6:05:11 PM
#113:


Eh ggs

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 6:08:46 PM
#114:


GGs. Good playing. Sorry if you weren't feeling it. Let me know if you want to play later or sometime this week.

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AceAttorneyist
09/27/20 6:13:57 PM
#115:


I was kinda irritated that I kept losing but I just couldn't stomach Palutena. At the risk of sounding like viewmaster, Palutena as a character kinda makes me sick. Whenever I went to a local the tryhards always went Palutena.

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 6:17:50 PM
#116:


Ah I gotcha. Yeah, Palu's a pretty easy character to pick up and do well with (since there isn't much to her) so I totally get the frustration. It's unfortunate because I was actually just about to go Falco when you closed the lobby. No worries, I can keep that in mind and just not play Palu in the lobby.

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HannibalBarca3
09/27/20 6:24:11 PM
#117:


I never really thought of Palutena as being that bad even when I use Isabelle against her which pre-8.00 was probably one of the worst MUs in the game.

Also I think going to a local is already fairly "try hard". I don't blame people for picking some of the easier characters. Pre-patch Pichu I remember being a lot more common for the reason of there not being proper counterplay developed and ftilt.

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AceAttorneyist
09/27/20 6:30:44 PM
#118:


Well I guess those people were so much better than me that it just seemed undoable? Idk.

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pojr
09/27/20 7:46:14 PM
#119:


Speaking of palu, hbox just lost to one in tournament

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NightMarishPie
09/27/20 9:47:31 PM
#120:


anyone want to play?

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pojr
09/28/20 7:22:33 AM
#121:


Here's a question for you guys, do you think it's possible for a character or a move to be "brainless"? I hear that term used a lot. I've always been under the assumption that it means being successful with a character without any knowledge or understanding of the game or character.

I think there are some strats that are more brainless than others, but I don't think there is truly a character or move that is completely 100% brainless. Hbox claims that Yoshi is a brainless character, and he does always lose to a lot of Yoshi players. But it does require some skill, some brain cells, to utilize those "brainless" tactics. If I played hbox with Yoshi for an example, I would get absolutely destroyed.

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 7:38:24 AM
#122:


people here can already predict that my answer is yes, lol. i've pointed out plenty of moves that i think are cheap, namely buries, especially like ZSS's down B, that also doubles as a fast escape option that she can act out of. i wouldn't say one or two good moves make a character brainless per se, but i know where people are coming from. hbox should watch it tho, because as far as i'm concerned, puff doesn't exactly take big brain effort

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 7:44:58 AM
#123:


oh, and can't forget g&w, for example :^) frame 2 up-b with hitboxes on each side, gets you away quickly, combos into nair/up air, or whatever you decide to act out of it with, go ahead, key afterward comes down quick, has a deceptive landing hitbox that'll either keep you away, or make you hold shield too long to be able to punish, great frame data on most of his moves with generally deceptive animations regarding eyeing what you can even attempt to punish. not to mention his own absurd bury to f-smash confirm, and pointless armor on up-smash

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 7:49:19 AM
#124:


AceAttorneyist posted...
At the risk of sounding like viewmaster, Palutena as a character kinda makes me sick.
there's nothing wrong with pointing out busted characters, and she's up there in the tiers for a reason.

there is something wrong with vilifying me, as if i'm the only person in the world who stops having fun when too much BS comes out. it's hard to just smile and nod all the time, and i shouldn't be treated like a bad guy or the guy you don't wanna be like for losing my patience

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pojr
09/28/20 8:12:44 AM
#125:


I'll admit @viewmaster_pi, I enjoy having you around in the CE smash community, even the rants lol. Even the other day, I could see where you were coming from.
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NightMarishPie
09/28/20 8:13:02 AM
#126:


There's truly no "brainless" character as each character requires a certain amount of skill to do well with. Now as viewmaster said, are there characters that maybe take "less skill" than others to do well with or some characters that just have total horseshit moves? Yeah, for sure. Brainless is a pretty toxic term though, so I do try to avoid it.

That being said, I've definitely said Mario, game and watch and Falcon (among maybe 1 or 2 others) are brainless characters. Are they truly? No, not at all, and I shouldn't say they are. Are they frustrating and arguably easier to play than other characters? Yeah, sure.

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 8:17:09 AM
#127:


pojr posted...
I'll admit @viewmaster_pi, I enjoy having you around in the CE smash community, even the rants lol. Even the other day, I could see where you were coming from.
i appreciate that, i won't dig anything else from that night up, i know we're trying to have fun in here

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AceAttorneyist
09/28/20 10:25:58 AM
#128:


I honestly don't like this type of conversation because I truly believe people who say such things have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Every character in the game has incredibly skill intensive maneuvers they can pull off and there are many aspects of their neutral that almost definitely are completely misunderstood by the people who say such things. When I was complaining about Palutena it was more of a "PTSD" situation from losing to her so much in tournament. There are many skillful things you can do with her, I would never say she's brain dead.

Honestly I've been seeing this talk far too often and I don't think it's interesting or intelligent. Gonna take a break from here for a few weeks.

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LostForest
09/28/20 11:06:35 AM
#129:


Know what it is? There's no such thing as brainless character, but I would say there's definitely brainless strategies.

Camping and running, constant projectile spam, overusing counters, etc...

Those are all definitely brainless, and maybe associated with certain characters, but that doesn't mean the character as a whole is brainless.

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pojr
09/28/20 11:21:59 AM
#130:


AceAttorneyist posted...
I honestly don't like this type of conversation because I truly believe people who say such things have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Every character in the game has incredibly skill intensive maneuvers they can pull off and there are many aspects of their neutral that almost definitely are completely misunderstood by the people who say such things. When I was complaining about Palutena it was more of a "PTSD" situation from losing to her so much in tournament. There are many skillful things you can do with her, I would never say she's brain dead.

Honestly I've been seeing this talk far too often and I don't think it's interesting or intelligent. Gonna take a break from here for a few weeks.
sorry man, I read this post a few times in my head - and I realized that I have brought up a lot of negative discussions in the past. I like to ask a lot of hypothetical questions just because I like to see how others feel about it, but they do tend to be negative ones. truth is sometimes I am an emotional player, you may have noticed that when I don't do well in tournaments. I apologize for bringing that on you and everyone else. I only brought up the above question because hungrybox mentioned in one of his streams, and it happened to be about my character. but you've been here longer than I, I feel bad I would make you want to dip.

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 11:38:08 AM
#131:


it's not your fault for bringing it up, pojr, and you were saying they weren't braindead. anyway, it's just hyperbole.

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anttttt
09/28/20 2:39:42 PM
#132:


with how puff kind of explodes against every character and has some ganon-tier bad matchups i think she requires a decent amount of skill

game & watch's down air is great online because nobody takes the free punish when they shield it

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JTilly
09/28/20 2:57:51 PM
#133:


I just got to Elite Smash with Captain Falcon!!!!!! Damn... lmao this just made my day

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JTilly
09/28/20 3:20:37 PM
#134:


Captain falcon isnt brain dead to use wtf!

Im 4 and 0 in elite tho rn! First opponent was laggy as hell which was funny

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Simon_Petrikov
09/28/20 3:21:48 PM
#135:


anybody want to play like a small handful of matches?

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pojr
09/28/20 3:22:08 PM
#136:


I still don't have a single character in elite

Yoshi is at 6.5 mil, but I don't want to play quickplay because I know when I lose, that number is going to get all fucked up

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JTilly
09/28/20 3:28:06 PM
#137:


Im down for some matches

pojr posted...
I still don't have a single character in elite

Yoshi is at 6.5 mil, but I don't want to play quickplay because I know when I lose, that number is going to get all fucked up
Thats not the right attitude pojr! Ive played thousands of quickplays tanking all the way down to the bottom of the barrel. Its fun climbing back up

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Simon_Petrikov
09/28/20 3:35:01 PM
#138:


1N57R
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JTilly
09/28/20 3:42:36 PM
#139:


Whoops okay

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 4:05:22 PM
#140:


the shot put is seriously just miserable, but it's better than no projectile, in my opinion

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anttttt
09/28/20 4:09:51 PM
#141:


yeah it's not very good beyond ledgetraps but he kinda needs it
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LostForest
09/28/20 4:13:50 PM
#142:


As long as we're talking Elite, I've got my two mains, Dedede and Banjo & Kazooie in Elite, and I think a couple random others like K.Rool, Piranha Plant, and Mewtwo? I might've had Isabelle and Min Min in at one point too, but haven't checked in a while.

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Simon_Petrikov
09/28/20 4:14:48 PM
#143:


one more before i get back to work. will keep the lobby up tho.

ggs

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JTilly
09/28/20 4:24:43 PM
#144:


Ggs!

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viewmaster_pi
09/28/20 4:25:59 PM
#145:


ggs

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HannibalBarca3
09/28/20 4:40:16 PM
#146:


AceAttorneyist posted...
I honestly don't like this type of conversation because I truly believe people who say such things have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Every character in the game has incredibly skill intensive maneuvers they can pull off and there are many aspects of their neutral that almost definitely are completely misunderstood by the people who say such things. When I was complaining about Palutena it was more of a "PTSD" situation from losing to her so much in tournament. There are many skillful things you can do with her, I would never say she's brain dead.

Honestly I've been seeing this talk far too often and I don't think it's interesting or intelligent. Gonna take a break from here for a few weeks.
That's a shame, I like playing against your Falcon and Puff, but it's understandable.

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davyheinz
09/28/20 5:53:32 PM
#147:


Play a few games, anyone?

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JTilly
09/28/20 5:55:47 PM
#148:


Im down

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davyheinz
09/28/20 5:59:56 PM
#149:


Okay

H4063/69


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NightMarishPie
09/28/20 6:00:42 PM
#150:


I'll join.

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davyheinz
09/28/20 6:20:19 PM
#151:


The reverse Falcon dive was hilarious. Peach is over there floating around and Falcon is going ham with his Doug Hug and dies for no reason.

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NightMarishPie
09/28/20 6:34:18 PM
#152:


LMAO JTilly. how in the world did that hit

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