Current Events > 3 Maryland cops shot in an ambush while responding to a call

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garan posted...

Hey, my dad used to be a garbageman too! High five!

Nice!

darkprince45 posted...

yet, your dad and none of his co workers risk being shot at an ambush for picking up shit

its like comparing accidents on the job to being actively murdered are different as well

Wrong. He once broke up a shootout on his route between 2 young men using nothing but his body. More balls than all the police in the U.S. combined.

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I've never seen a situation where a police response helped to deescalate a situation. But I have seen people from all sorts of other jobs who have done so.

For instance, I've seen plenty of BLM and antifa protestors protecting innocent civilians who happened to be in the area where white nationalist groups with real guns openly displayed happened to be firing paintball guns at random bystanders. The police opted not to get involved or declare a riot until AFTER the group with guns left, and then they would pummel the crap out of anyone in the area who didn't have an American flag. Funny, I know.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I don't trust the cops to actually help out. Especially since they can kill suspects even if the suspect turns out to be a completely random and innocent person.

Yet when actual people are getting hurt, they stand by and don't stop the group hurting people.

So I guess, I really need to see proof that the suspects were actually the intruders and that their actions were dangerous enough to warrant an armed police response.

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Shablagoo posted...

Nice!

Wrong. He once broke up a shootout on his route between 2 young men using nothing but his body. More balls than all the police in the U.S. combined.

Mad respect for your dads. It's like every time I see a mailman, I thank them. Support our boys in blue, mailmen. Because they put their lives on the line every day to make our modern society run smoothly.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Projecting hive-mindedness onto a group is the first step in justifying aggression.

Is this a universal maxim? What about, say, the Nazis? Were the Allies in the wrong for using aggression against them? Were they projecting hive-mindedness by doing so?

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gunplagirl posted...

Yet when actual people are getting hurt, they stand by and don't stop the group hurting people.

My dad actually spoke on this once, too. Were supposed to call cops heroes but what do they do when called to respond to something like a mass shooting? Rush in like heroes to save people?

Nope.

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Shablagoo posted...

My dad actually spoke on this once, too. Were supposed to call cops heroes but what do they do when called to respond to something like a mass shooting? Rush in like heroes to save people?

Nope.

Right? There's plenty of lawsuits and cases that say they can stand by and watch us all get turned down and not have to try and save our lives, then simply wait until the shooter starves to death. Unless we're in the police officer's personal care, like say they arrested us and are driving us to central, they have zero obligation to protect us. And it's also acceptable if they end up being the ones who shoot us to death because they feared the suspect might do something to harm us.

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all three officers are expected to recover.

this is a day that ends in y for pg county. barely qualifies as news.

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They released dashcam footage.

It's about 15 seconds long. Cops drive up and you see a guy walking to the passenger side of a car with a laptop in his hand.

Two seconds after they stopped their car, another guy out of view in front of his car suddenly comes out shooting.

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Thoughts and prayers.

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Shablagoo posted...

Is this a universal maxim? What about, say, the Nazis? Were the Allies in the wrong for using aggression against them? Were they projecting hive-mindedness by doing so?

False equivalence.

The Nazis had prejudice as as part of their expressed ideology. While a lot of cops are a half-step up from that, it isn't a one to one equation in which every cop is a Hitler with a badge.

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Question: How is ACAB any different than saying all muslims are terrorists?

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Maybe the cops should have tried not smoking weed 9 years ago and there would have been no trouble

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HHH is the game posted...

Question: How is ACAB any different than saying all muslims are terrorists?

Cops uphold an inherently broken system
Islam isn't a terrorist organization

Wow this topic is horrible
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Cops uphold an inherently broken system
Islam isn't a terrorist organization

Terrorists are preaching Islam though. There are Muslims who see the good parts of the religion, and then there are extremists who use it as an excuse to kill. Blaming cops who get into it for good reasons like wanting to help or protect people and saying that they CHOSE to get into a broken system and so they are no better than the murderer cops they inherently support, is like saying Muslims CHOSE to follow a broken religion and thus they are responsible for the worst practitioners and inherently support the worst who murder..

It's funnily enough the exact same people that preach against discrimination and prejudice, practicing it here.

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HHH is the game posted...

Terrorists are preaching Islam though. There are Muslims who see the good parts of the religion, and then there are extremists who use it as an excuse to kill. Blaming cops who get into it for good reasons like wanting to help or protect people and saying that they CHOSE to get into a broken system and so they are no better than the murderer cops they inherently support, is like saying Muslims CHOSE to follow a broken religion and thus they are responsible for the worst practitioners and inherently support the worst who murder..

It's funnily enough the exact same people that preach against discrimination and prejudice, practicing it here.

It's a lot easier to change how a profession is done than how some people interpret a religion.

A better question to ask is how is ACAB any different than saying all politicians are bad?

HHH is the game posted...

Terrorists are preaching Islam though.

This is like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is preaching Christianity.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is preaching Christianity.

Ok, I agree, but saying all cops are like the murderer cops is equally ridiculous.

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HHH is the game posted...

Ok, I agree, but saying all cops are like the murderer cops is equally ridiculous.

The reason people say it is because cops rarely get penalized for abusing their authority. Even cops that kill innocent citizens. It took nationwide protests just to get Derek Chauvin arrested.

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

It's a lot easier to change how a profession is done than how some people interpret a religion.

A better question to ask is how is ACAB any different than saying all politicians are bad?

Is it easier? What are they supposed to do? They're responsible for everybody who has the same job title as them? What can they possibly do but try to do the best job they can?

And I would say its worse because

A. In general, cops are providing a very very important service (and risking their lives to do it). Cops job is the help and protect and enforce laws, while politicians really do seem to often be after power, and to me it seems harder to have that job and be both successful and honest - but even with that being said...(because I'm sure there are good politicians too who really do want to change laws more than power)...there's still

B. You won't see people celebrating because a politician got shot just because he was a politician. The hate for politicians is usually just a joke or a snide comment, while cops actually have pages and pages of people making it clear they don't care about what happens to them.

Bad cops should absolutely be condemned, but just like all groups that have some bad actors, the good actors should not be stereotyped and accused because of it

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Shablagoo posted...

The reason people say it is because cops rarely get penalized for abusing their authority. Even cops that kill innocent citizens. It took nationwide protests just to get Derek Chauvin arrested.

that doesn't mean you should celebrate innocent cops getting shot. If the cop who got shot was Derek Chauvin, by all means celebrate.

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gunplagirl posted...

I've never seen a situation where a police response helped to deescalate a situation. But I have seen people from all sorts of other jobs who have done so.

For instance, I've seen plenty of BLM and antifa protestors protecting innocent civilians who happened to be in the area where white nationalist groups with real guns openly displayed happened to be firing paintball guns at random bystanders. The police opted not to get involved or declare a riot until AFTER the group with guns left, and then they would pummel the crap out of anyone in the area who didn't have an American flag. Funny, I know.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I don't trust the cops to actually help out. Especially since they can kill suspects even if the suspect turns out to be a completely random and innocent person.

Yet when actual people are getting hurt, they stand by and don't stop the group hurting people.

So I guess, I really need to see proof that the suspects were actually the intruders and that their actions were dangerous enough to warrant an armed police response.

Youre right. Police have never once helped any situation. Meanwhile, places where BLM and Antifa stand out like in CHAZ where they thrive and are areas of hope and prosperity.


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HHH is the game posted...

Ok, I agree, but saying all cops are like the murderer cops is equally ridiculous.

Sure, but let's go back to religion for a more accurate example.

The Catholic Church (but not just them) has an extremely long history of officials committing sexual abuse and other officials covering up for them. So sure it's wrong to say all priests are rapists because they're clearly not. All priests are, however, contributing financially and through their labor the perpetuation of an organization that from an organizational standpoint will defend and protect child rapists merely because they work for them.

That's kind of like what's happening with cops. Most cops don't kill people at all, let alone in the wrong, but when one of them does kill someone unjustly, the cops jump to their defense and protect them from any kind of retribution.

The big difference here is that I can just choose not to be Catholic. I cannot choose to divorce myself from the authority of the police.

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HHH is the game posted...

A. In general, cops are providing a very very important service (and risking their lives to do it). Cops job is the help and protect and enforce laws, while politicians really do seem to often be after power, and to me it seems harder to have that job and be both successful and honest - but even with that being said...(because I'm sure there are good politicians too who really do want to change laws more than power)...there's still

Cops are just as susceptible to corruption as politicians are. They may not make as much money as politicians, but it's insane just how much political power police unions, commissioners, and sheriffs (especially in rural towns) have. Plus, give someone a badge and a gun and watch them go on an ego trip.

HHH is the game posted...

B. You won't see people celebrating because a politician got shot just because he was a politician. The hate for politicians is usually just a joke or a snide comment, while cops actually have pages and pages of people making it clear they don't care about what happens to them.

Don't forget: politicians get death threats on a daily basis. Some of it gets acted on. Then, whenever you've got a politician dabbling with police reform, you've deputies and SIGs threatening to withdraw not just support but protection for those politicians too. Any profession where you're actively ruining people's lives is going to draw threats. Cops have been abusing, molesting, assaulting, and killing people with reckless abandon for centuries, and from the people's perspective, not enough good cops are calling them out on that.

Its really hard for me to feel bad about anything that happens to cops in the US, and I used to be pretty pro police at one time

if this happened in Germany or Japan or something Id probably feel sorry for them, but its just an eh from me at this point

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