Current Events > Do sensible Republicans realize that their party is literally evil?

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Or do they believe the Democrats are the ones ruining American by being too liberal?

Something I've always wondered about, considering how Republicans are essentially caricatures of cartoon villains with the way they block progress in this country.

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some

very few

All politicians are bastards
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Some, I would guess. I'm sure there are some stances they don't want to budge on, but realize the Republican party is going too far right. Moderate conservatives, I would guess? I know those exist.
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I think they're just "ends justify the means" kind of people and just don't care who gets hurt in the process.

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That sounds like a stereotype. Much of this type of judgment has been influenced by works of fiction.

You may not agree with it and you can certainly argue that it isn't effective, but there are reasons why people are Republicans, and it's usually because they think Republicanism is the way to go to make life better for everyone. That isn't really evil, in my opinion.

YellowMustard69 posted...

That sounds like a stereotype. Much of this type of judgment has been influenced by works of fiction.

You may not agree with it and you can certainly argue that it isn't effective, but there are reasons why people are Republicans, and it's usually because they think Republicanism is the way to go to make life better for everyone. That isn't really evil, in my opinion.

Disagree. Republicanism (at least the modern kind) is very blatantly trying to make life better for the rich, and more miserable for everyone else.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

Disagree. Republicanism (at least the modern kind) is very blatantly trying to make life better for the rich, and more miserable for everyone else.

Exactly. How have Republican actions helped the people of US in the last 4 yrs?

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Southernfatman posted...

I think they're just "ends justify the means" kind of people and just don't care who gets hurt in the process.

Sometimes I think they would be happy if we literally went extinct, there would be no more abortion.

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imo that mindset is toxic. to believe either side is "evil". i've heard republicans say the same about the left and i don't like that either. it's two different approaches to how they think prosperity comes about. the left wants redistribution of wealth, and for the mega successful corporations to pay back more into society, which hamstrings the company growth. the right wants more independent/incentive based wealth gain based on market value which appears evil because they don't believe in forced wealth redistribution ie taxes/welfare so poor people aren't given as much support. neither side want to see anyone struggle.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

Disagree. Republicanism (at least the modern kind) is very blatantly trying to make life better for the rich, and more miserable for everyone else.

I guess I don't see it. As a middle class person, I feel that Republicans have more of my financial interests in mind, especially when looking at politicians at the state and local level.

They would probably say they view the party as broken. Good and evil are pretty childish approaches to politics tbh

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Southernfatman posted...

I think they're just "ends justify the means" kind of people and just don't care who gets hurt in the process.

It's not that they don't care who gets hurt. It's that they know Republicans usually hate and hurt the same kind of people (liberals, minorities, LGBT, etc.) that they want to see get hurt, and if Republican policies hurt those people more than it hurts them, then it's a win in their book.

If Trump blatantly came out and said "I'm going to kill 50,000 conservatives and 100,000 liberals", they'd cheer because more liberals would be dying. That's the kind of people they are.
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bloodydeath0 posted...

imo that mindset is toxic. to believe either side is "evil". i've heard republicans say the same about the left and i don't like that either. it's two different approaches to how they think prosperity comes about. the left wants redistribution of wealth, and for the mega successful corporations to pay back more into society, which hamstrings the company growth. the right wants more independent/incentive based wealth gain based on market value which appears evil because they don't believe in forced wealth redistribution ie taxes/welfare so poor people aren't given as much support. neither side want to see anyone struggle.

Good post.

Essentially, there is no perfect way to govern. In any direction, we run into pros and cons.

YellowMustard69 posted...

I guess I don't see it. As a middle class person, I feel that Republicans have more of my financial interests in mind, especially when looking at politicians at the state and local level.

the majority of people are worse off than you (As a middle class person). Do you think that the party supports their interests?

YellowMustard69 posted...

As a middle class person, I feel that Republicans have more of my financial interests in mind

You clearly dont understand their economic policies.

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Fam_Fam posted...

the majority of people are worse off than you (As a middle class person). Do you think that the party supports their interests?

In some ways. All depends on what each person's objectives are and how their life plays out.

Conception616 posted...

You clearly dont understand their economic policies.

On the state and local level, where I live, they seem to favor tax cuts.

I once lived in a state that was very pro Democrat. They imposed massive taxes on the middle and lower class.

They probably see their party as "realistic" compared to the give everybody money liberals.

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Paragon21XX posted...

All politicians are bastards

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Taxes are good. They go to things like roads, parks, fire brigade, hospitals in first world countries. Infrastructure wouldn't exist without taxes. It's bad when taxes are wasted for certain public figures to spend a week at his own resort, in which tax dollars are spent to line his own pockets for his cronies to stay there.

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Do sensible people think they are part of an evil organization? No, probably not.
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3PiesAndAFork posted...

Taxes are good. They go to things like roads, parks, fire brigade, hospitals in first world countries. Infrastructure wouldn't exist without taxes. It's bad when taxes are wasted for certain public figures to spend a week at his own resort, in which tax dollars are spent to line his own pockets for his cronies to stay there.

They are to an extent. The law of diminish returns sets in rather quickly though. For the most part, most people pay way too many taxes for what we get in return.

YellowMustard69 posted...

In some ways. All depends on what each person's objectives are and how their life plays out.

what if their objectives are to not be in poverty, get a job, be treated with respect, and have a living wage. do you think that the republican party is actively supporting this happening for people who are poor/minorities?

Fam_Fam posted...

what if their objectives are to not be in poverty, get a job, be treated with respect, and have a living wage. do you think that the republican party is actively supporting this happening for people who are poor/minorities?

It's not so much about what system does more for people, but rather more about what people do to use the system to their advantage so they can make their lives better.

YellowMustard69 posted...

They are to an extent. The law of diminish returns sets in rather quickly though. For the most part, most people pay way too many taxes for what we get in return.

It's because it's allocated poorly. Why is so much spent on military when a fraction of that could be spent on healthcare, education, and mental health? It's because manufacturing lobbyists benefit from military spending, and insurance lobbyists benefit from private healthcare.

When politicians lower your taxes, they are not cutting the spending that will benefit their corporate overlords; they are cutting the things that benefit the people.

Now, that doesn't address what you said about Democrats raising taxes on the middle and lower class. Just saying that Republicans cutting your taxes is actually hurting the people.

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Southernfatman posted...

I think they're just "ends justify the means" kind of people and just don't care who gets hurt in the process.

Yeah, but the ends are "making a college student with funny-colored hair personally sad" and the means are "voter suppression on a massive scale."

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Antifar posted...

Do sensible people think they are part of an evil organization? No, probably not.

It's not really hurting anyone, though. Sometimes a community just doesn't feel something needs to be built.

You spend money on a new fridge, and cool, you have a new fridge I'll be that is nicer than your old fridge. But you had to spend good money on that fridge. So now you can't buy other things.

do you think republicans look at this and think "lol what an insane alt-right stereotype created by the liberal fake news media... that will NEVER be me!"
https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk

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YellowMustard69 posted...

Good post.

Essentially, there is no perfect way to govern. In any direction, we run into pros and cons.

Yeah, it's a good ideology. It's why I think bipartisan government would probably be the best for the country, not entirely one side or the other.
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