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MaverickXeo posted...

I never said that bars weren't causing it either - only that it is more than likely that protests did spread Covid. It is foolish to say otherwise.

Also:

https://youtu.be/3QhbuvCK0Gg?t=142
Looks like the same sort of thing you'd see in a bar, does it not? Yes, it's outside, and some are wearing masks, but the protests are clearly a possible and likely method of spread.

XD. That's the dude you get your news from. Have a good day man. You got me.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

XD. That's the dude you get your news from. Have a good day man. You got me.

I have no idea who it is (I was looking for the original video, but couldn't find it), but doesn't the video do all the talking there? Put the video on mute and watch it - it is unaltered as far as I know.

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MaverickXeo posted...

I have no idea who it is (I was looking for the original video, but couldn't find it), but doesn't the video do all the talking there? Put the video on mute and watch it - it is unaltered as far as I know.

Yeah. It's dumb shit. Seems like people getting too hype in the moment and just trying to have fun. But white people going to the bar are just trying to gave fun.

There's gonna be people going overboard whenever you got a lot of people in a combined effort. And I still stand by their cause actually having a real meaning at its core while conservative white people just want haircuts and to continue being alcoholics in public.

You seem to skim over the part where cops are killing innocent people and getting off scott free. To a lot of us, that's not something that fades in the background. We're not like "yeah yeah cops are killing innocent people....BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS THING?!"

There is no "but what about" for this. Cops killing people like this is at the top. If it's not for you, then figure out why.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Yeah. It's dumb shit. Seems like people getting too hype in the moment and just trying to have fun. But white people going to the bar are just trying to gave fun.

There's gonna be people going overboard whenever you got a lot of people in a combined effort. And I still stand by their cause actually having a real meaning at its core while conservative white people just want haircuts and to continue being alcoholics in public.

You seem to skim over the part where cops are killing innocent people and getting off scott free. To a lot of us, that's not something that fades in the background. We're not like "yeah yeah cops are killing innocent people....BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS THING?!"

There is no "but what about" for this. Cops killing people like this is at the top. If it's not for you, then figure out why.

I never claimed that the movement should not happen - only that it IS a potential spread of Covid. Denying that the protests spread Covid is just unintelligent and just as faulty as saying that gyms or beaches, etc., do not spread the virus.

A social movement CAN and SHOULD still occur, but we have to understand that by doing so during a pandemic with a highly infectious disease WILL cause the virus to have increased spread.

That said, my own personal opinion is that the virus should be more of a priority - more people could very well die from that than police abuse - and minorities will more than likely be more likely to die from it as well due to disparity and discrimination.

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MaverickXeo posted...

I never claimed that the movement should not happen - only that it IS a potential spread of Covid. Denying that the protests spread Covid is just unintelligent and just as faulty as saying that gyms or beaches, etc., do not spread the virus.

I like how you keep saying "I never claimed" but then you immediately try to sneak in making it seem like I'm claiming protests don't have nothing to do with the spread. I was simply pointing put that it's who you decided to go after.

MaverickXeo posted...

A social movement CAN and SHOULD still occur, but we have to understand that by doing so during a pandemic with a highly infectious disease WILL cause the virus to have increased spread.

Translation: "Black people, can you just keep getting tag teamed by Coronavirus and cops until an unknown time. Because we're gonna do nothing to make sure that time comes any sooner. So please, just keep watching us spread this disease to protect our bottom line and do nothing about the cops killing you and not protecting you. Thank you"

MaverickXeo posted...

That said, my own personal opinion

Don't care anymore. How about you guys finally let black people speak for black people.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I like how you keep saying "I never claimed" but then you immediately try to sneak in making it seem like I'm claiming protests don't have nothing to do with the spread. I was simply pointing put that it's who you decided to go after.

Uh... from the start I said that the protests were a potential spread - from my first post in this topic.

Translation: "Black people, can you just keep getting tag teamed by Coronavirus and cops until an unknown time. Because we're gonna do nothing to make sure that time comes any sooner. So please, just keep watching us spread this disease to protect our bottom line and do nothing about the cops killing you and not protecting you. Thank you"

Not what I said at all. There are other ways to protest. There are other ways to create social change.

Don't care anymore. Let black people speak for black people.

I agree. I DO NOT speak for anyone else. It is actually discriminatory to do so (micro-aggressional in a way). Being an ally means not speaking for someone, instead, it means helping that person speak up - unfortunately, a lot of people miss this. I never speak for my clients - I let them speak and support them.


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MaverickXeo posted...

Uh... from the start I said that the protests were a potential spread - from my first post in this topic.

.. that's exactly what I said. So ok.

MaverickXeo posted...

Not what I said at all. There are other ways to protest. There are other ways to create social change.

It's almost like you think this is the first time black people ever spoke up about police violence. It's almost like the reason would be that no one pays attention or cares and spreads the news to you.

That's the thing. For some people this is like "Omg, this is out of nowhere!" And for others its "..so this is finally happening huh."

It's not black people's fault the cops decided to make a snuff film broadcast during a pandemic. And that happened to be the final straw. No white people would of cared about George Floyd being snuffed in a TBA time. Shit, you already see how little the media cares already.

You can't say you really care if you don't see this. You can't say you care and work directly against the cause.

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MaverickXeo posted...

I agree. I DO NOT speak for anyone else. It is actually discriminatory to do so (micro-aggressional in a way). Being an ally means not speaking for someone, instead, it means helping that person speak up - unfortunately, a lot of people miss this. I never speak for my clients - I let them speak and support them.

This was just weird in this context

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Also

This was just weird in this context

Why? If we start speaking for people, we take their power away from them - and we can lose the meaning of their words.

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Yup. You nailed it. Good job. That's the exact response that made sense.

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I cringe when I hear stuff like "We've all learned so much from this. Everyone is doing great staying apart so we can one day come back together."

Save the mushy shit, have you gone outside and seen the reality? Everyone is stupid and sucks. This will be going on for a while and American society will learn absolutely nothing from any of it.

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Because of right-wing lunatics who trust money and the Bible over science and logic when it comes to combating the virus..

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Well it sure as fuck wasn't the protests. I don't think they've been linked to a single case.

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shnangyboos posted...

Well it sure as fuck wasn't the protests. I don't think they've been linked to a single case.

https://nationalpost.com/news/why-didnt-black-lives-matter-protests-spread-covid-19-because-everyone-else-stayed-home-study-suggests

The researchers, who released the study at the National Bureau of Economic Research in the United States this week, said its possible that the demonstrations caused an uptick of infections among people who attended but that it doesnt seem to have spread into the general population.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/coronavirus-contact-tracers-wont-ask-if-new-yorkers-attended-protests/

Workers for the citys contact tracing program are told not to ask those whove tested positive for the bug whether theyve taken part in the demonstrations, instead relying on them to cough up the information themselves, officials said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-blm-protests-1.5621651

"Right now, from reported cases, it's really sort of a three- to six-week delay before we start seeing rises and we won't necessarily know unless we really interview people and ask them whether it was the protests."

There have been cases related to the protests, but the fact that those who didn't go to the protest accounts for the 'perceived lack of surge' as many people stayed home during the protests.

The second article shows how it is up to the person being tested to say if they went to a protest or not. When not asked, most will probably not share that information on their own accord.

The third article explains that despite Covid having a 2 week incubation period, it could take up to 6 weeks to see an increase in real cases. In BC, there has been a recent uptick in cases - which started about 6 weeks after the protests began.

In my own province, a substantial increase has also been seen in the last few weeks, primarily in locations where protests took place. People argue that this is from reopening, but we reopened much earlier, and people's behaviour has not changed much. The only real large gatherings that occurred were the protests, and a massive funeral for some ladies who drowned a few weeks ago.

Yes, it could be coincidental, but with how we know the virus spreads, it is very likely to believe that the protests did have some effect on spread.

In other words, any gathering has potential for spreading. Protests are not immune from this because they are socially or morally just. If a person is attending a protest, they should be obligated to isolate and test afterward.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I cringe when I hear stuff like "We've all learned so much from this. Everyone is doing great staying apart so we can one day come back together."

Save the mushy shit, have you gone outside and seen the reality? Everyone is stupid and sucks. This will be going on for a while and American society will learn absolutely nothing from any of it.

We have been doing a great job, especiallly thenheroes on the frontlines