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Crystal_pony
07/20/20 2:31:22 PM
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You want all children regardless of circumstances to be born, yet the moment the child is born you take away all fail safes for said child to survive once born.

Where's the logic behind this GOP?
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Xatrion
07/20/20 2:33:45 PM
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Bootstraps, cultist viewpoints, gift of life, or the ever appropriate sticking fingers in ears going la la la.

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Delirious_Beard
07/20/20 2:34:39 PM
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it has always and will always be about controlling and punishing women and nothing else

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LightBurn
07/20/20 2:35:18 PM
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Crystal_pony posted...
the moment the child is born you take away all fail safes for said child to survive once born.
Also they want to send those children to school during a pandemic so their racist leader has a better chance of being reelected
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eston
07/20/20 2:35:45 PM
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Why is it that whenever someone starts a sentence with "so let me get this straight," you know they're about to misrepresent someone else's position

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HANGtheDJ_86
07/20/20 2:38:19 PM
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Circumcision isn't that dangerous

Pure myth

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Were_Wyrm
07/20/20 2:38:38 PM
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You have to stop babying them sometime, a few hours old is plenty enough time to find a job, support them self, and keep the economy going.

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emblem boy
07/20/20 2:39:26 PM
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What if you believe the first but also want them to have safety nets?
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jmikla
07/20/20 2:40:05 PM
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HANGtheDJ_86 posted...
Circumcision isn't that dangerous
can you contextualize the relevance of this, please? I seem to be missing it and need some guidance.

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hockeybub89
07/20/20 2:40:30 PM
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They are pro-birth. It's a response to abortion, not their philosophy on the whole concept of life. They don't give a fuck about anyone alive. They just want to force everyone to bring pregnancies to term, so they can then wag their fingers at people for being bad parents and having children while poor. There's no weeping for the poorly raised children, just smugness at punishing the parents.

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Alakazamtrainer
07/20/20 2:50:10 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it that whenever someone starts a sentence with "so let me get this straight," you know they're about to misrepresent someone else's position


Please explain how this is misrepresented?
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Magyar15
07/20/20 2:52:32 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it that whenever someone starts a sentence with "so let me get this straight," you know they're about to misrepresent someone else's position


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Turbam
07/20/20 2:53:37 PM
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God has a plan for all of us

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Alakazamtrainer
07/20/20 2:54:04 PM
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Alakazamtrainer posted...
eston posted...
Why is it that whenever someone starts a sentence with "so let me get this straight," you know they're about to misrepresent someone else's position


Please explain how this is misrepresented?

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MC_BatCommander
07/20/20 2:54:05 PM
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Pro life is purely a rhetorical name. If they just went by "anti abortion" it wouldn't sound nearly as appealing to folks.

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coh
07/20/20 2:55:03 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
They are pro-birth. It's a response to abortion, not their philosophy on the whole concept of life. They don't give a fuck about anyone alive. They just want to force everyone to bring pregnancies to term, so they can then wag their fingers at people for being bad parents and having children while poor. There's no weeping for the poorly raised children, just smugness at punishing the parents.
Pro birth isn't the insult you want it to be

Oh no they want babies to be born. How horrible
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Anticyclonic
07/20/20 2:56:27 PM
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It isn't logic. It is because they were "raised that way" and repeat the arguments that they hear everyone else say.
Herd mentality.
I say that as someone who was raised as a pro-lifer and whose family and community is overwhelmingly conservative.

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ThePrinceFish
07/20/20 2:56:46 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Pro life is purely a rhetorical name. If they just went by "anti abortion" it wouldn't sound nearly as appealing to folks.
On the other side of the same coin, pro-choice sounds a lot better than "pro-abortion"

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Herodopus
07/20/20 2:57:22 PM
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It's about controlling women. They use the long, mentally and physically taxing process of carrying a child to term, as a bludgeon to punish women for having the audacity to have sex.
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ThePrinceFish
07/20/20 2:58:53 PM
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Herodopus posted...
It's about controlling women. They use the long, mentally and physically taxing process of carrying a child to term, as a bludgeon to punish women for having the audacity to have sex.
You'd think if the levers of society were so in to crushing women for having sex, family courts wouldn't be so viciously pro-mother.

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MC_BatCommander
07/20/20 2:59:41 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
On the other side of the same coin, pro-choice sounds a lot better than "pro-abortion"

Yep!

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coh
07/20/20 3:00:15 PM
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Herodopus posted...
It's about controlling women. They use the long, mentally and physically taxing process of carrying a child to term, as a bludgeon to punish women for having the audacity to have sex.
Sex makes babies? Impossible
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Herodopus
07/20/20 3:01:09 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
You'd think if the levers of society were so in to crushing women for having sex, family courts wouldn't be so viciously pro-mother.
That seems to be its own topic
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Magyar15
07/20/20 3:01:13 PM
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Alakazamtrainer posted...
@Magyar15


Try finding an actual conservative source that explains their position and the steps that conservatives tend to take in light of that position. Whenever someone posts something like TC it's almost invariably a caricature meant to mock and belittle political opponents, not an attempt at genuine dialogue. I'm not interested in spelling out something this basic when it's very easy to Google and get "straight from the horse's mouth"

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I Like Toast
07/20/20 3:02:55 PM
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_Rinku_
07/20/20 3:06:06 PM
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coh posted...
Pro birth isn't the insult you want it to be

Oh no they want babies to be born. How horrible
You realize that's worse, right? They want babies to be born, but not cared for. It shows how thoughtless the stance is.
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Tired-Insomniac
07/20/20 3:07:39 PM
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Every aborted baby is one less soldier for whatever war the GOP will want to start in 20 years

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Solar_Crimson
07/20/20 3:10:11 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
it has always and will always be about controlling and punishing women and nothing else


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Alakazamtrainer
07/20/20 3:13:25 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
CRYSTAL_PONY
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Well so probably a @gwwak alt
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LightBurn
07/20/20 3:16:57 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
On the other side of the same coin, pro-choice sounds a lot better than "pro-abortion"
Because "pro-abortion" isn't accurate. I'm not pro having everyone get abortions, I'm pro everyone being able to choose to do so if they want to.
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Crystal_pony
07/20/20 3:40:48 PM
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@I Like Toast posted...
CRYSTAL_PONY
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And your point? I don't post much
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Extreme_light
07/20/20 3:42:29 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Pro life is purely a rhetorical name. If they just went by "anti abortion" it wouldn't sound nearly as appealing to folks.

This. It's a marketing ploy basically.

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Xenozoa425
07/20/20 3:54:57 PM
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Pro-life doesn't mean that they want people to keep babies alive at all costs. Instead, they don't want a potential life to be ended (via abortion) for a reason such as the lack of responsibility of one or both parents, where someone doesn't want to use protection, or just pull out.

Having safe, protected consensual sex is fine, but if you have a baby (either by choice or by accident) they don't agree that you should have the choice to take away a potential life unless there's extreme circumstances, such as the mother being a victim of rape and does not want the child.

At least, that's how I interpret it with my 2 cents, being raised by semi-conservative parents that aren't religious.

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CarrieChan
07/20/20 3:59:20 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
CRYSTAL_PONY
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Prestoff
07/20/20 4:15:11 PM
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Yeah without some form of safety net, its literally about punishing them.

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Questionmarktarius
07/20/20 4:19:38 PM
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"You gotta wear a mask when you go to walmart!" = bad
"You gotta gestate this baby for nine months!" = super great

...or something like that
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coh
07/20/20 4:21:51 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
"You gotta wear a mask when you go to walmart!" = bad
"You gotta gestate this baby for nine months!" = super great

...or something like that
Your body your choice if you want to wear a mask right?

Except it's not just your body, not wearing a mask affects other people too. Kinda like abortion.
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jmikla
07/20/20 5:27:07 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
On the other side of the same coin, pro-choice sounds a lot better than "pro-abortion"
Or "anti-life"

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