Current Events > What the fuck is naught dog's problem?

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like what the fuck does realistic brutal human and dog deaths have to do with the story youre trying to tell? What does me seeing a dog trying to catch its breath before it dies have to do with ellie's revenge? Just an excuse to make your employees look up shit from gore sites. Fuck off. This game is pretty good but i wish games would fuck off with this realistic dying shit.

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violence is bad

if you didn't know that, the game is trying to tell you violence is bad

and if you did know that, the game is trying to tell you VIOLENCE IS BAD

tl;dr violence is bad

Stallion_Prime posted...

dog trying to catch its breath before it dies

Well it looks like im never, ever playing this game.

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EffectAndCause posted...

Well it looks like im never, ever playing this game.

It pisses me off just how much this game LOVES to make the dogs like theyre suffering when they dies. Blow me, ND.

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It's a cheap attemp at trying to manipulate you emotionally by forcing you to play catch twice with the dog you killed later on.

Anyone capable of critical thinking can see why this doesn't work and is a super shitty thing to do.

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How does sociopathic animal torture translate to a character's quest for revenge?

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FortuneCookie posted...

How does sociopathic animal torture translate to a character's quest for revenge?

To make you FEEL

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bump.

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DarthAragorn posted...

violence is bad

if you didn't know that, the game is trying to tell you violence is bad

and if you did know that, the game is trying to tell you VIOLENCE IS BAD

tl;dr violence is bad

Iunno where this hostility is coming from in people

Basically every good story you've ever read/watched can be boiled down to a relatively simple theme.

That's how stories in media are built. You start with a simple point or statement and construct the rest of the plot around that.

Films/TV have been doing this for decades but whrn a game does it people flip their shit for some reason.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

trying to manipulate you

Psssst every movie or show you've ever watched tries to manipulate you

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This is like playing a Metal Gear Solid game and complaining about how the games are anti-nuclear proliferation. LoU's universe is bleak and making the killings brutal drives home the setting that they're trying to create.

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Taharqa_ posted...

This is like playing a Metal Gear Solid game and complaining about how the games are anti-nuclear proliferation. LoU's universe is bleak and making the killings brutal drives home the setting that they're trying to create.

Evidentally there should be no guns or shivs and the WLFs or runners you kill (oops I mean "defeat") should turn into a coin or item when you beat them

Since apparently the internet is now made up of a bunch of sensitive church wives

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The whole thing seems like an overly heavy-handed approach to a topic that has already been done 1000 times with better results. It doesn't really introduce anything new, and it comes off as feeling weak and contradictory because of it.

Doom_Art posted...

Iunno where this hostility is coming from in people

Basically every good story you've ever read/watched can be boiled down to a relatively simple theme.

That's how stories in media are built. You start with a simple point or statement and construct the rest of the plot around that.

Films/TV have been doing this for decades but whrn a game does it people flip their shit for some reason.

Psssst every movie or show you've ever watched tries to manipulate you

The difference with movies and TV shows is that the audience has no agency. Fuck ND for trying to make me feel bad for something they forced me to do.

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Taharqa_ posted...

This is like playing a Metal Gear Solid game and complaining about how the games are anti-nuclear proliferation. LoU's universe is bleak and making the killings brutal drives home the setting that they're trying to create.

Except the first LoU has a lovely contrast between Ellie and Joel. Now it's all bleak and boring.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

The difference with movies and TV shows is that the audience has no agency. Fuck ND for trying to make me feel bad for something they forced me to do.

I think the other issue is people are taking this stuff a tad personally

Like you're not the person in the game. This is someone else's life and experiences. You're not doing this stuff, that wasn't a real dog. There's a wall between you the player and the protagonist here

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Except the first LoU has a lovely contrast between Ellie and Joel. Now it's all bleak and boring.

Nah the first game was bleak as well, even from the prologue. Joel torturing people, characters that you thought were going on the journey with you dying in brutal fashion, the pie in the sky prospect of a cure, etc. It's not a light hearted series.

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https://twitter.com/v339Gaming/status/1274681772408737792?s=19

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Taharqa_ posted...

Nah the first game was bleak as well, even from the prologue. Joel torturing people, characters that you thought were going on the journey with you dying in brutal fashion, the pie in the sky prospect of a cure, etc. It's not a light hearted series.

And then you had Ellie asking why the pages in the magazine were all sticky, making quips and being genuinely curious about the world around her.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

And then you had Ellie asking why the pages in the magazine were all sticky, making quips and being genuinly curious about the world around her.

You're suggesting there's no moments of levity between all the darkness? Because I'm a few hours into 2 and there's been a lot of dialogue and banter and stuff to break stuff up

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Doom art why are you shilling so hard for it dude?

The dog thing is stupid, plain and simple

This topic is a good example of the blind naughty dog hate going around right now. All the things in the OP sound like obviously good additions to a dramatic character driven story.
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coh posted...

Doom art why are you shilling so hard for it dude?

The dog thing is stupid, plain and simple

I mean if people are going to dislike the game then that's fine but at least do it for non idiotic reasons


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Doom_Art posted...

You're suggesting there's no moments of levity between all the darkness? Because I'm a few hours into 2 and there's been a lot of dialogue and banter and stuff to break stuff up

Wait till you're at like hour 16. The game's opening hours is not what people have issues with

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Doom_Art posted...

I mean if people are going to dislike the game then that's fine but at least do it for non idiotic reasons

ND trying too hard is not an idiotic reason

I feel like people are projecting because I did not once feel shame for killing a dog in TLOU2. The game feels a lot more open for interpretation than "Neil Druckmann is mad and wants you to hate Joel and Ellie! Abby is hero!"

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"Trying too hard" is such a ridiculous criticism in media

Up there with "No one asked for this"

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coh posted...

ND trying too hard is not an idiotic reason

Trying too hard? What did y'all want? The Adventures of Joel and Ellie 2? 55+ year old Joel running and gunning through enemies James Bond/Avengers style? At least Naughty Dog had the balls to try to do something with the direction of the story and not play it safe.

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lilORANG posted...

This topic is a good example of the blind naughty dog hate going around right now. All the things in the OP sound like obviously good additions to a dramatic character driven story.

I like the game alot... just not these parts

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and im 15 hours in. This isnt me playing 2 kinites and saying the game sucks. Because it most def doesnt suck. Its flawed tho

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I can't believe the dog I killed was secretly just a dog that behaved like a dog before I killed it. Wow really making me feel like a monster. Usually you only kill evil dogs in video games.

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