Current Events > This confession call from an alleged murderer is cold and sick

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From an episode of Unsolved Mysteries. Jump to 7:37 in the video below.
Basically an anonymous person called some hotline and admitted to the murder of a lady whose killing hadn't been solved. The hotline forwarded it to the police department, who immediately were convinced that the call was genuine due to the sincerity of the voice. But they were never able to definitively link to a suspect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL02UTwthg4

I don't mean to derail the topic off the bat but I want to point something very important out.

This guy didn't turn himself in because of the Death Penalty. This is actually not uncommon among rapists and murderers

It's not a deterant. People kill because of emotion, they think they can get away with it or complusion.

However when people do commit these crimes, having the Death Penalty makes criminals less likely to turn themselves in and more likley to go on the run + commit more crimes.

Anyone who believes in the Death Penalty needs to know this, you are increasing the amount of violent crime and criminals on the run.
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Maybe you're right. But people that rape and kill children deserve death.

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Patty_Fleur posted...

Maybe you're right. But people that rape and kill children deserve death.

Many times if the person is caught, convicted and jailed, they will die behind bars anyway. If you catch my drift...

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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

Many times if the person is caught, convicted and jailed, they will die behind bars anyway. If you catch my drift...

That's not good enough for me.

If the victim is left non-existent in this world, so should the murderer be. I don't want them staring at a wall for 40 to 60 years thinking about what they did. I want them them to cease all function and thought as their victim did.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

even though that's a severely more brutal and inhumane way for a criminal to meet their end than by something like a lethal injection?

o....kay....

I think someone who rapes and murders a child deserves brutal and inhumane treatment.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Anyone who believes in the Death Penalty needs to know this, you are increasing the amount of violent crime and criminals on the run.

This is a hot take. I imagine a criminal who would refuse to turn him/herself in over the death penalty would be reasonably likely to refuse because of life in prison as well. Nobody wants to be punished.

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Whats the difference between the death penalty and life with no parole? In both cases you die without seeing another free day in your life. You just spend more time in a cage with one option.

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As far as death penalties go, as long as there is the possibility that innocent people can be wrongfully convicted the death penalty should not exist. If a person rapes, kills or tortures another person I absolutely believe they deserve to be punished 10 fold, but with the chance that someone could be wrongfully convicted and recieve that same punishment it is not worth it.

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SH_expert44 posted...

Whats the difference between the death penalty and life with no parole? In both cases you die without seeing another free day in your life. You just spend more time in a cage with one option.

The difference is that if you are wrongfully convicted and new evidence that exonerates you comes forward at least your not dead and can have at least some a little chance to live life again.

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I've always had a problem with that argument. It seems to suggest we're okay with the possibility of accidentally locking up someone innocent so long as there's a possibility new evidence could set them free.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I've always had a problem with that argument. It seems to suggest we're okay with the possibility of accidentally locking up someone innocent so long as there's a possibility new evidence could set them free.

Well I mean, obviously an innocent man being locked up is not ideal but it's still better than them being executed.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I've always had a problem with that argument. It seems to suggest we're okay with the possibility of accidentally locking up someone innocent so long as there's a possibility new evidence could set them free.

but we are, and in many cases when new evidence is found that can exonerate the people involved involved parties try to prevent anything from happening

giving in to wanting to kill people ASAP only makes that situation worse


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I think something to consider here is the initial bias that I think creeps into the minds of the jury in any case. In a sense, some people view the fact that the person is being tried in the first place as evidence that they are guilty. I don't know if there's an official name for this but I've heard it being discussed before.

Like yeah the official judicial motto is "innocent until proven guilty," but if jurors already have a preconceived notion about your innocence due to the mere fact that you're on trial in the first place, that sort of skews the whole thing, doesn't it?

Josiah_Is_Back posted...

I think someone who rapes and murders a child deserves brutal and inhumane treatment.

as everyone knows, the hallmark of a civilized society is that they treat their prisoners according to some psycho revenge fantasy

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Choco posted...

as everyone knows, the hallmark of a civilized society is that they treat their prisoners according to some psycho revenge fantasy

Not all prisoners, only those that have committed unpardonable acts such as the rape and murder of a child. It's one thing for you to sit at your computer and claim it's wrong, but I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had a three-year-old daughter who was raped, tortured, murdered and mutilated by a sub-human monster.

The notion that revenge justice is wrong is inherently flawed because it's based on the premise that one wrong does not balance another, or that it's equally wrong to torture someone for doing it to someone else.

Bullshit. There's a huge difference between torturing an innocent child, and torturing someone who committed the act. If you can't see that difference, well then I guess the conversation can't go much farther, can it?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

This is a hot take. I imagine a criminal who would refuse to turn him/herself in over the death penalty would be reasonably likely to refuse because of life in prison as well. Nobody wants to be punished.

You'd "imagine" wrong

People turn themselves in all the time and if they are caught confess to other crimes they have commited all the time.

If they have literally nothing to lose then there is no benefit to them doing that
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

Not all prisoners, only those that have committed unpardonable acts such as the rape and murder of a child. It's one thing for you to sit at your computer and claim it's wrong, but I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had a three-year-old daughter who was raped, tortured, murdered and mutilated by a sub-human monster.

This is such a dumb argument

"IF you were emotionally compromised to the point you were not thinking or acting rationally and were doing foolish nonsensical things out of rage and anger, you too would do really stupid things that make no sense and have no pragmatic value!"

yes, and that is a bad thing.

This is why we have courts and a justice system and don't roll on mob rule dude.

The notion that revenge justice is wrong is inherently flawed because it's based on the premise that one wrong does not balance another

It doesn't. The dead dude is still dead.

Bullshit. There's a huge difference between torturing an innocent child, and torturing someone who (Is accused of) committed the act.

What's the difference?

If you can't see that difference, well then I guess the conversation can't go much farther, can it?

Oh you don't know either.
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@UnfairRepresent

I'm talking about a situation where there is irrefutable proof that the suspect is guilty. Video camera footage of him sneaking into the girl's room, his DNA all over her, etc.

And torture/killing him wouldn't undo that.

It would cost money , increase violent crime, make criminals not turn themselves in and make society worse.

There is no benefit to this at all beyond "I get pleasure out of it" and that's fucked.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And torture/killing him wouldn't undo that.

It would cost money , increase violent crime, make criminals not turn themselves in and make society worse.

There is no benefit to this at all beyond "I get pleasure out of it" and that's fucked.

(1) Do you know how much money it costs to house and feed prisoners for life?
(2) Actually it would deter criminals from committing the act in the first place because they would know what's gonna happen to them, so violent crime would drop
(3) Society would be better