Board 8 > B8's Greatest Wrestlers Ever Ranking

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Steiner posted...

if you don't hate him it seems weird to label praise of him as seeing him "as God's gift to us foolish mortals" - i mean he ranked in the 30s

It's been relatively tame this topic but this is hardly the first time I've fought you on this! Mainly I'm still weirded out by how anybody (much less everybody but me) liked the Rumble >_>

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I just read about Bruiser Brody's career, as 80s wrestling was a bit before my time. That is a very sad end he had. Going to have to watch a match of his today to see his style.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Steiner posted...

if you don't hate him it seems weird to label praise of him as seeing him "as God's gift to us foolish mortals" - i mean he ranked in the 30s

It's been relatively tame this topic but this is hardly the first time I've fought you on this! Mainly I'm still weirded out by how anybody (much less everybody but me) liked the Rumble >_>

I'm aware it's not the first time! That's why I'm surprised you're denying you hate him!
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I didn't see this nomination topic and don't have an acute sense of Board 8's wrestling preferences, so is it more likely that Bruiser Brody made the top 30 or missed the top 100?

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

Reading would be your friend.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I didn't see this nomination topic and don't have an acute sense of Board 8's wrestling preferences, so is it more likely that Bruiser Brody made the top 30 or missed the top 100?

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

did you read any of this topic
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

I get what you're saying. If this was a non-Board 8 list and just a list of the best 100 wrestlers ever, then there would be much fewer Japan, Mexico, and indie stars. Like 15 tops if you combined them all.

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junk_funk posted...

I get what you're saying. If this was a non-Board 8 list and just a list of the best 100 wrestlers ever, then there would be much fewer Japan, Mexico, and indie stars. Like 15 tops if you combined them all.

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&view=workers&sortby=colRating&sorttype=DESC

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junk_funk posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

I get what you're saying. If this was a non-Board 8 list and just a list of the best 100 wrestlers ever, then there would be much fewer Japan, Mexico, and indie stars. Like 15 tops if you combined them all.

good god, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm embarrassed at the lack of Mexico and Japan on this list
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Here's a place that took this list way more seriously:

https://forums.prowrestlingonly.com/topic/33910-greatest-wrestler-ever-the-list/
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The only communities that would come to conclusions like "triple h belongs in the top 50 of all time" are ones with an EXTREME WWE leaning like this board.
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Do you have any idea how furious I am that I was the only vote for Dr Wagner but fuckin Triple H is top 30?


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BTW as far as indie - has a single indie wrestler made the list since David Starr at 96?

Those were the wrongest pair of posts I can imagine jeez
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

If Bruiser Brody wasn't an obscure indie wrestler, or wrestled exclusively in Japan/Mexico, he probably didn't make it.

junk_funk posted...

I get what you're saying. If this was a non-Board 8 list and just a list of the best 100 wrestlers ever, then there would be much fewer Japan, Mexico, and indie stars. Like 15 tops if you combined them all.

lmao

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Also.... I don't think we're exceeding 15 japan/Mexico/indie wrestlers as it is?
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Lol. You guys are getting fired up now. Lots of passion for wrestlers from other countries than my own. I can appreciate that. They are probably great and legends in their own right. Not my top guys because I only follow it in America.

To my own personal bias, a top 20 list should look a lot more like this:
http://thewrestlingestate.com/index.php/2019/08/19/top-100-wrestlers-of-all-time-20-1/


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The Top 20 is probably going to look very similar to that. I think the issue is that in the context, you just seem pretty turned off because Triple H landed ten spots lower than you expected? We're almost at the Top 20. How many of those guys have dropped yet? This is the entire point behind my first post in this particular burst of self-entitled ignorance from Black Turtle.

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We're at 16 right now who did not have notable US Big 3 runs:

Riki Choshu
David Starr
Shinya Hasimoto
Tiger Mask
Lioness Asuka
Suzuki
Dr Wagner
Zack Sabre Jr
Satoshi Kojima
Tomohiro Ishii
Tetsuya Naito
Will Ospreay
Atlantis
El Santo
Giant Baba

Inoki, the Bucks, Nigel and Omega I'll grant are more famous for their non mainstream US runs though bringing us to 20ish but I dare you to tell me which of these names doesnt belong on this list.


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I don't think anyone's fired up. The overwhelming response to those posts seems to be amusement.

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Eddv posted...

We're at 16 right now who did not have notable US Big 3 runs:

Riki Choshu
David Starr
Shinya Hasimoto
Tiger Mask
Lioness Asuka
Suzuki
Dr Wagner
Zack Sabre Jr
Satoshi Kojima
Tomohiro Ishii
Tetsuya Naito
Will Ospreay
Atlantis
El Santo
Giant Baba

Inoki, the Bucks, Nigel and Omega I'll grant are more famous for their non mainstream US runs though bringing us to 20ish but I dare you to tell me which of these names doesnt belong on this list.

You can safely throw in Misawa, Okada, Kobashi, Tanahashi, Tsuruta, and Kawada as well, because something is very wrong if any of those six didn't make it. Probably Toyota as well.

So there's roughly a quarter of the list for you all said.

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Right a quarter of the list to represent like 3/4s of the wrestling theres ever been.

And that's with this list necessarily excluding any pre-80s people who dont have an association with WWF/E or WCW

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Steiner posted...

I'm aware it's not the first time! That's why I'm surprised you're denying you hate him!

I hate his booking. He's a good wrestler. I just am tired of him getting a bigger push than SuperCena while showing up with the title less than Rock. I'd be less annoyed if it was a Bryan or a Kofi or somebody I liked better, I guess, but I would still find it offputting. I'm not a big fan of part-time champs, I'm not a big fan of one dude being The Guy clearly above everybody else forever, and Brock is like the worst offender of the modern era in both categories at the same time. That and I still don't get why everybody else super loved the Rumble where he killed everybody, and it apparently gets under my skin when I can't even see where the other side is coming from and all I get is "lol u dumb it's great." See also my recurring fight over SDRv3 >_>

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Steiner posted...

The only communities that would come to conclusions like "triple h belongs in the top 50 of all time" are ones with an EXTREME WWE leaning like this board.

Triple H was a main draw during the brief period of time that anybody outside of the hardcore wrestling fanbois actually paid attention to it. The only communities where Triple H doesn't register in that list are communities that want to see "cool" by hating the Attitude era, and circlejerking themselves over indie trash.

Then again, that's basically how most of this board operates, it's not "cool" to like something that other people like so you have to out circlejerk eachother by digging up the most obscure people. The hilarious part, is that like a 13 year old kid going through an emo phase, in your effort to stand out and be different, you fall right into the trap of copying the opinions of other people on the internet.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

The only communities where Triple H doesn't register in that list are communities that want to see "cool" by hating the Attitude era, and circlejerking themselves over indie trash.

Then again, that's basically how most of this board operates,

I have some bad news for you about where Austin and The Rock probably placed
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Triple H was a main draw

Incorrect

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Also imagine thinking Riki Choshu is obscure.

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Triple H was not yet born/barely alive during the period of time that the most people outside of the "hardcore wrestling fanbois" actually paid attention to it.

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Wrestling shows went from filling football stadiums in the 70s in cities all across the country to barely filling the lower bowl a minor league hockey stadium

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Imagine being so insecure in the things you like that you have to resort to posting insults from 2005 like "emo" and "circlejerking."

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Eddv posted...

Wrestling shows went from filling football stadiums in the 70s in cities all across the country to barely filling the lower bowl a minor league hockey stadium

Into the 80s even! There was a period right before Hogan jumped back to the WWF where World Class was the hottest territory in the country
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Steiner posted...

I'm aware it's not the first time! That's why I'm surprised you're denying you hate him!

I hate his booking. He's a good wrestler.

Ok cool we good then
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Eddv posted...

We're at 16 right now who did not have notable US Big 3 runs:

Riki Choshu
David Starr
Shinya Hasimoto
Tiger Mask
Lioness Asuka
Suzuki
Dr Wagner
Zack Sabre Jr
Satoshi Kojima
Tomohiro Ishii
Tetsuya Naito
Will Ospreay
Atlantis
El Santo
Giant Baba

Inoki, the Bucks, Nigel and Omega I'll grant are more famous for their non mainstream US runs though bringing us to 20ish but I dare you to tell me which of these names doesnt belong on this list.

David Starr
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junk_funk posted...

Lol. You guys are getting fired up now. Lots of passion for wrestlers from other countries than my own. I can appreciate that. They are probably great and legends in their own right. Not my top guys because I only follow it in America.

To my own personal bias, a top 20 list should look a lot more like this:
http://thewrestlingestate.com/index.php/2019/08/19/top-100-wrestlers-of-all-time-20-1/

The top of the list is going to have a lot of the same names here! But I was disputing the idea that recognising wrestling outside of wwe is a thing unique to board 8 - when in fact this board has more wwe leaning than a typical wrestling community (obviously because we have people who it's a very casual interest of, to be expected as we are not a wrestling community per se)
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No, no, I'm sure Michaels, Flair, Austin, and the Undertaker were left off the list entirely.

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Steiner posted...

David Starr

Ah dammit

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I would have singled out David Starr from that list too even before the allegations last month. He's a very good in-ring/promo, but he really doesn't fit in with that bunch.

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paulg235 posted...

I would have singled out David Starr from that list too even before the allegations last month. He's a very good in-ring/promo, but he really doesn't fit in with that bunch.

I would have thought of myself as his biggest fan here and definitely agree with this. He was one of the best in the world for a short run, but this is a top 100 of all time!
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Also Naito tbh
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I took some time today to watch 5 big matches between 8 wrestlers I hadn't seen before this topic. Some great stuff in each but Ospreay was awesome to watch. Just a kid too.

Will Ospreay > Tetsuya Naito > Zack Sabre > Hiroshi Tanahashi > Matt Riddle > Marty Scurll > Kazuchika Okada > Jay Lethal

I wouldn't rank any of them ahead of my current Top 25 of course...because only one match...but now I know them a tiny bit better.

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I'd love to know what you saw that led to a scurll > okada take
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Just the BTE build-up to All In alone makes Okada the GOAT in comparison to Pervy Marty.

Admittedly, I just want to mention "205".

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Steiner posted...

I'd love to know what you saw that led to a scurll > okada take

He clearly watched Scurll vs Ospreay and Okada vs sanada.

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I watched
- Ospreay v. Ricochet
- Okada v. Naito
- Cody Rhodes v. Zach Sabre
- Tanahashi v. AJ Styles
- Matt Riddle v. Will Ospreay
- Scurll v. Lethal v. Matt Tavern in a ladder match.


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oh jeez, where did you find that ladder match? i'm so sorry

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You know, of all the things that have been said so far in this topic, the thing that bother me the most is the mention of Matt Taven in the Greatest Wrestlers topic.

illuminatusbubu posted...

You know, of all the things that have been said so far in this topic, the thing that bother me the most is the mention of Matt Taven in the Greatest Wrestlers topic.

at least he didn't bother ranking him
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30. Owen Hart
Score: 68
# of Lists: 6

(Guest writeup: Jakyl25)

Arguably the most naturally gifted member of the Hart Family, Owen spent the early parts of his career as one of the 1980s crew of Jr Heavyweight innovators in New Japan. In matches with Jushin Liger, he demonstrated his athletic ability and high energy, traits which distinguished himself from his familys reputation for purely technical expertise.

After a few failed runs as a journeyman around the globe, it was time for a change. He would reach his highest heights in the WWF, feuding with his older brother Bret. They stole the show at Wrestlemania X, cementing a new foundation for Owens career. As the whiny, entitled, jealous younger brother, he became a consistent heel highlight of the New Generation era.

Sadly, we all know how his career met its tragic end due to the WWFs negligence doing an ill-advised stunt. If his style was allowed to mature into his old age, who knows if he might have been higher on this list.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7j9u7p; Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (August 29, 1994)

29. Andre the Giant
Score: 69
# of Lists: 6

(Guest writeup: Eddv)

Andre the Giant in many ways harkens back to the carnival barker origins of professional wrestling as the ultimate special attraction/freak show. In this way he's in the same category as Haystacks Calhoun and others whose entire act was simply coming out being very large and winning battle royales, which was the very same pattern Andre himself followed.

Even the stories we tell about Andre all have that sheen of tall tale and fable to them. To a greater extent than anyone save Hogan he was able to presented as larger than life.

What separated him from other freaks of nature was his natural charisma and smile. Everyone who saw Andre almost instantly came to like the guy - which made his late career heel turn all the more effective when it finally came and led to 2.5 years of WWEs best drawing feuds with Hogan before he took on a memorable emeritus role as part of the Colossal Connection.

However the reason Andre belongs so high on this list is that he was one of the key figures in helping the late 70s and early 80s wrestling boom take off. He participated in several mainstream appearances, to include a shoot mma bout with boxer Chuck Wepner on the undercard of the famous Inoki-Ali bout and his famous Shea Stadium sellouts fighting as the hero against heel Hulk Hogan, making their feud one of the few that ever drew big money with the two participants switching roles the second time around.

And with Andre that's what you're voting for - the Legend and his uncanny 20 year drawing ability. He wasnt on every card but every card he was on drew and that's a big part of what wrestling is about.

https://youtu.be/h3EksOFtILs; Andre The Giant vs. Chuck Wepner (June 25 1976)

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The stories of his legendary drinking antics are also all time greats

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muddersmilk posted...

After a few failed runs as a journeyman around the globe, it was time for a change.

Sometimes enough is enough

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I had Andre one spot ahead of Owen on my list and what do you know, he finishes ahead of him by one point.

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