Current Events > Ffs just give people what they want and remove the police force, for a few days.

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Then when they're begging for a return of a police force when their cities turn into the Purge maybe we can finally get past this asinine bullshit.

What happens when the cities are better off
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Smashingpmkns posted...

What happens when the cities are better off

What happens when it starts raining gold coins?

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i don't like the outcome.
seen what happened to Seattle (they took over 6 block radius) with no laws in effect and extortion to building owners (last part might not be true) but it's rumored.

then again there is hardly any violent crime that happens around here except for a rare homicide.
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The only people that would beg for them to return would be those that weren't asking for them to be abolished. The others will be enjoying their stolen merchandise.

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Why would people beg to be tear gassed, beaten with batons, hit by cars, trampled by horses, have their wallets pilfered through, shot with rubber bullets, have knees on their necks, or just straight up shot
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Why would people beg to be tear gassed, beaten with batons, hit by cars, trampled by horses, have their wallets pilfered through, shot with rubber bullets, have knees on their necks, or just straight up shot

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

I'd wager many actual believe in their cause, but how many are doing the shit just because they can?

SH_expert44 posted...

What happens when it starts raining gold coins?

i'll tell you what happens...

https://youtu.be/7VvkXA6xpqI

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Lord_Wombat posted...

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

I'd wager many actual believe in their cause, but how many are doing the shit just because they can?

George Floyd was arrested for a misdemeanor that many people commit unknowingly, and it turned out he wasn't even guilty of it. Fuck off.

Lord_Wombat posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Why would people beg to be tear gassed, beaten with batons, hit by cars, trampled by horses, have their wallets pilfered through, shot with rubber bullets, have knees on their necks, or just straight up shot

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

I'd wager many actual believe in their cause, but how many are doing the shit just because they can?

Why don't you tell me? You seem pretty sure of yourself
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will bring new meaning to the saying "you're your own worst enemy"

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RadiantAdolin posted...

George Floyd was arrested for a misdemeanor that many people commit unknowingly, and it turned out he wasn't even guilty of it. Fuck off.

Then I wasn't talking about that specific case.

I don't know how people like you live in a world where everything is either A or B, or how you construe "everything cops do is justified" based off of what I said, but I suggest you work on it.

MarqueeSeries posted...

Why don't you tell me? You seem pretty sure of yourself

As far as what? That not every rioter believes the cause? That's just common sense/probability. Don't be delusional, that's how we got to where we are currently.

Lord_Wombat posted...

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

What the fuck are you talking about? You're just spewing alt right bullshit.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

What the fuck are you talking about? You're just spewing alt right bullshit.

Burning buildings, breaking personal property, assaulting others, extortion, etc etc...

Yeah, WTF was I thinking

Lord_Wombat posted...

Burning buildings, breaking personal property, assaulting others, extortion, etc etc...

Yeah, WTF was I thinking

That's alt right bullshit.
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Law and order are for pansies

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Webmaster4531 posted...

That's alt right bullshit.

K

https://youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY
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Lord_Wombat posted...

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

I'd wager many actual believe in their cause, but how many are doing the shit just because they can?

It's unconstitutional to attack or arrest a reporter for reporting the news, yet the police did so anyway.
It's illegal to use rubber bullets as they have.
It's a war crime to use tear gas as they have.

The police have been attacking and instigating even nonviolent protests. Stop acting like this is one sided.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

It's unconstitutional to attack or arrest a reporter for reporting the news, yet the police did so anyway.
It's illegal to use rubber bullets as they have.
It's a war crime to use tear gas as they have.

The police have been attacking and instigating even nonviolent protests. Stop acting like this is one sided.

Again, nobody is saying its one sided, refer to post 12.

The cops involved in the Floyd case should be on death row for manslaughter. There should also be harsher penalties for abuse of authority. But doing the horseshit the "protestors" have been doing will do nothing but aggravate the situation. Anyone with any semblance of common sense can tell you that.

Most of the protests have been peaceful.
Most of the rioters and looters have been opportunists. There have been white supremacists trying to aggravate, or people just looking for free stuff.

But, the protestors are not a group of organized individuals who hold a job and duty to protect. The aims of the protest are to make people in power unconfortable in order to enact change. The whole basis of MLK's civil DISOBEDIENCE was to purposefully break the law to force conflict.

That said, at the protests against police brutality, you have multiple examples across the country of police abusing their power. From the top (the President) to the bottom (individual officers), abuse is standard procedure. They are aggravating the situation, they are causing the situation, blaming a nondescript block of protestors for fighting back against people who can kill them without cause or responsibility is reckless and malicious.

This is not about one specific case. And anyone with any common sense can tell you that.

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kingdrake2 posted...

extortion to building owners

This is completely and categorically false

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Most of the protests have been peaceful.
Most of the rioters and looters have been opportunists. There have been white supremacists trying to aggravate, or people just looking for free stuff.

But, the protestors are not a group of organized individuals who hold a job and duty to protect. The aims of the protest are to make people in power unconfortable in order to enact change. The whole basis of MLK's civil DISOBEDIENCE was to purposefully break the law to force conflict.

That said, at the protests against police brutality, you have multiple examples across the country of police abusing their power. From the top (the President) to the bottom (individual officers), abuse is standard procedure. They are aggravating the situation, they are causing the situation, blaming a nondescript block of protestors for fighting back against people who can kill them without cause or responsibility is reckless and malicious.

This is not about one specific case. And anyone with any common sense can tell you that.

Barring the unequivocally false bolded section, that's exactly what I said/am saying. There are idiots on both sides, and reform does indeed need to happen, but further crime and/or disbanding police isn't the way to go about it.

Smashingpmkns posted...

What happens when the cities are better off

Imagine being stupid enough to believe this.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Lord_Wombat posted...

Yeah, or... (hear me out) maybe don't do a bunch of blatantly illegal shit in full view of cops in the name of protest?

What the fuck are you talking about? You're just spewing alt right bullshit.

Yeah I should have realized from the get go this ones a lost cause, especially when you begin with boot licking a militarized police force that the rest of the first world doesnt seem to think is necessary
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Gonna leave this here
https://reason.com/2017/09/26/study-finds-nypd-slowdown-in-petty-law-e/

A new study has found that during the 201415 NYPD work slowdown, when New York police officers refused to make unnecessary arrests or engage in other sorts of "proactive policing," major crimes reports fell.

Duh!

This shouldn't be surprising to readers of Reason. There was no reason to think a reduction in unnecessary policing would increase serious crime. Preliminary data released during the work action already suggested that there had been no spike in violent offenses.

The study, based on NYPD crime statistics, was published in Nature Human Behavior.

"We find that civilian complaints of major crimes (such as burglary, felony assault and grand larceny) decreased during and shortly after sharp reductions in proactive policing," the study's authors wrote. "The results challenge prevailing scholarship as well as conventional wisdom on authority and legal compliance, as they imply that aggressively enforcing minor legal statutes incites more severe criminal acts."

During the slowdownwhich was launched, ironically, as a protest against police reformcops stopped making unnecessary arrests, traffic violation citations saw a 94 percent drop, parking violation citations went down 92 percent, and there was an overall drop in arrests of 66 percent. Essentially, "broken windows" policing stopped.

These are good outcomes. Cop advocates argued during the slowdown that such "proactive policing" put them in danger. But it also puts the people they come into contact with in danger. Reducing unnecessary interactions between police officers and residents is an important component of any effort to reduce police violence and abuse. This could have been an opportunity for advocates of police reform to point out that their goals and the preferences of many police officers are not so far apart.

Instead, some prominent proponents of police reform, like The New York Times' editorial board, actually called on the mayor of New York to fire police commanders until arrests for petty lawbreaking went back up. They even argued that the Department of Justice should investigate possible "civil rights violations in withdrawing policing from minority communities."

Yet it is often the enforcement of petty laws, which disproportionately affect poor and marginalized communities, that create a space for civil rights violations. More broadly speaking, such laws create a pretext to search and harrass members of such communities.

Petty laws are big business for local governmentsthe NYPD slowdown cost the city about $10 million a week in lost parking ticket revenue. The city gets nearly $800 million a year from fines and forfeitures. For context, that covers about a quarter of the total annual cost of police salaries.

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