Current Events > What if children die in these riots?

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Your "fight fire with fire" logic is poo poo.

Your "suck it up and live with it. oh wait, maybe not... live..." logic is literal trash

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VVALLBOUNCE posted...

Thank god I had intelligent parents so I wasnt born with a brain that actually thinks this is a decent excuse for destructive anarchy

blame the pigs, not the victims. riots are bad and the pigs and government need to be held accountable.

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This is my first time seeing you scotty_rogers, I was labeled your alternate account the other day because of simply making the argument that violent destruction is wrong

Rika_Furude posted...

blame the pigs, not the victims. riots are bad and the pigs and government need to be held accountable.

Dude when I was like 18-20, I had this big fuck the police blah blah blah attitude, like I was one of the worst ones going. Youll grow out of it.

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

Dude when I was like 18-20, I had this big fuck the police blah blah blah attitude, like I was one of the worst ones going. Youll grow out of it.

police brutality is not something any sane human "grows to accept" you you think they should.

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Rika_Furude posted...

police brutality is not something any sane human "grows to accept" you you think they should.

Yes please put quotes around something that I not only did not say but didnt even begin to imply

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

did not say

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

Youll grow out of it

try harder. go lick some boots while you're at it

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The excruciatingly simple concept that the vast majority of the lives, economy and property being harmed all having NOTHING TO DO with any police brutality THAT HAS EVER OCCURRED somehow goes over these pro-anarchy dumbfucks heads and it ASTOUNDS ME TO NO END.

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

Thank god I had intelligent parents so I was not born with a brain that actually thinks this is a decent response to the OP

Thank god your parents weren't choked to death in the street for no reason by police.


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Keith_Valentine posted...

Hmm, civil rights didnt happen? MLK Jr isnt a legend for how he handled it? 'I Have A Dream' wasnt one of the most powerful oratories ever delivered?

Tell me what happened. If you say im wrong, then correct me. You think Malcolm X would have gotten better results than the March on Washington? Do you know what i mean when i say that? Tell me how civil disobedience did not work.

MLK was still very much hated by America, for starters. He wasn't beloved at all, was voted one the most hated men in a poll in 1967 and literally murdered a year later.

There's also the fact that he didn't exist in a vaccum. One of the main reasons he was even listened to was due to the riots/violence happening elsewhere. And legislation was passed after his death due to, again, rioting. You're revising history and should actually read up on the civil rights movement, as well as MLK. There's a lot more to it than what you learned in high school, which is a sanitized version.

Rika_Furude posted...

Your "suck it up and live with it. oh wait, maybe not... live..." logic is literal trash

Nothing trash about pointing how killing innocents is never correct, and will not solve any problems. Get this L.

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Rika_Furude posted...

try harder. go lick some boots while you're at it

I meant youll grow out of your little anger phase when you mature.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Thank god your parents weren't choked to death in the street for no reason by police.

If they were, certainly the first thoughts and desires I would have would be to bring peril and destruction to people and businesses that have nothing to do with it. /s

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Nothing trash about pointing how killing innocents is never correct, and will not solve any problems

Hence the riots. Why is this hard for you to understand?
VVALLBOUNCE posted...

I meant youll grow out of your little anger phase when you mature.

Failure of a backpedal

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nah actually it goes perfectly in line with the rest of my post about how I did exactly the same thing

I used to literally say violence needed to happen blah blah blah then I actually grew and matured and realized how fucking ridiculous that is

Rika_Furude posted...

Hence the riots.

You don't stop the problem of innocent lives being lost by taking more innocent lives. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Get this L.

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VVALLBOUNCE posted...

The excruciatingly simple concept that the vast majority of the lives, economy and property being harmed all having NOTHING TO DO with any police brutality THAT HAS EVER OCCURRED somehow goes over these pro-anarchy dumbfucks heads and it ASTOUNDS ME TO NO END.

heres the concept scottys talkin bout, kids

lolife67 posted...

MLK was still very much hated by America, for starters. He wasn't beloved at all, was voted one the most hated men in a poll in 1967 and literally murdered a year later.

There's also the fact that he didn't exist in a vaccum. One of the main reasons he was even listened to was due to the riots/violence happening elsewhere. And legislation was passed after his death due to, again, rioting. You're revising history and should actually read up on the civil rights movement, as well as MLK. There's a lot more to it than what you learned in high school, which is a sanitized version.

You are acting like he was hated all through that timeline, and not as a result of stances he took after civil rights passed. He still accomplished his greatest objective through civil disobedience. And yes, he did inspire millions of people. He lost popularity when he started calling for federal subsidies in the billions of dollars for welfare for black Americans, and spoke out against Vietnam. That was extremely polarizing at the time. You expect me to act surprised white Americans who just got past segregation were hostile to reparations when they were poor as fuck too?

Dont tell me to educate myself. If you are so smart, you tell me. Civil rights passed in 64* due to pressure put on Kennedy, passed on to LBJ* ,through civil disobedience. What else you got?

The Scorched Earth crowd will say, "It's gone this far."

Decent people will be appalled by their deaths regardless of which side of the issue they're on.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

You are acting like he was hated all through that timeline,

He was.

Keith_Valentine posted...

He still accomplished his greatest objective through civil disobedience.

He didn't do it alone nor in a vacuum, as I said. Do you think it was ONLY due to his actions the civil rights bill was passed? Lol

Keith_Valentine posted...

He lost popularity when he started calling for federal subsidies in the billions of dollars for welfare for black Americans, and spoke out against Vietnam. That was extremely polarizing at the time. You expect me to act surprised white Americans who just got past segregation were hostile to reparations when they were poor as f*** too?

Act surprised? No. I do expect you not to try to revise history, though.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Dont tell me to educate myself. If you are so smart, you tell me. Civil rights passed in 63 due to pressure put on Kennedy, through civil disobedience. What else you got?

I did tell you. And the pressure came because if they hadn't reached out to King, the rioting would've gotten worse. He was an alternative, not the root cause.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

You don't stop the problem of innocent lives being lost by taking more innocent lives

Whats your mastermind solution? decades of peaceful protests have gotten us nowhere and in fact the situation has only gotten worse.

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FortuneCookie posted...

The Scorched Earth crowd will say, "It's gone this far."

Decent people will be appalled by their deaths regardless of which side of the issue they're on.

The "issue" being cops killing people for no reason and facing no justice

It's sad that issue has sides.

Sadder that you're comfortable with saying people on the side that says cops are allowed to do that and it's fine are "decent"

The point isn't "riots happen and the riots fix everything" the point is people go "These riots can't continue we need to fix the insane injustice that has gone on ignored for decades that caused them so they don't happen again"

And you're proving why it's happening right now by saying people who think it's okay for cops to murder people and face no justice are decent. That mentality means nothing will change and you're happy to ignore protests and proposed leglisation that wants to change it.

But you can't ignore riots.

MLK pointed this out, the Civil Rights movement only worked because the extreme people causing violence forced people to listen to the reasonable people they wanted to ignore.

Women only began to get what approaches basic rights when they were willing to die for them.

That's life dude, it's history.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

But you can't ignore riots.

MLK pointed this out, the Civil Rights movement only worked because the extreme people causing violence forced people to listen to the reasonable people they wanted to ignore.

Women only began to get what approaches basic rights when they were willing to die for them.

That's life dude, it's history.

Exactly.

Rika_Furude posted...
Whats your mastermind solution?

Look if you wanna kill someone, kill the murderers. Don't drag kids into this.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

The "issue" being cops killing people for no reason and facing no justice

No, the issue being the response.

Everyone knows what the cop did was wrong. The worst sort of bigot, the kind that agrees with this or thinks that it's funny, they know they're wrong and they don't care.

The issue that's up for debate is whether or not protestors are justified in destroying properties and intimidating and attacking police and mainstream news sources.

Personally, I won't go as far as to say that I condone destruction (and I don't condone violence against anyone but a confirmed culprit), but I can't see anything other than significant financial loss deterring this from happening again. If you cause five million in damages every time a cop commits murder, the system will start holding people accountable because it's not worth that kind of money to try and protect a police officer. Why they're so protected against justice, I don't know. But I know there comes a point at which blue immunity will dissolve.

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lolife67 posted...

He was.

Of course he was, he was pushing for equality in a totally different time. What i said is true, you ignored that. His later stances pissed people off more. King made more progress than anyone.

He didn't do it alone nor in a vacuum, as I said. Do you think it was ONLY due to his actions the civil rights bill was passed? Lol

I didnt say that at all. I said civil disobedience worked. Sit ins, freedom marches, bus protests. He was right.

Act surprised? No. I do expect you not to try to revise history, though.

Im not.

I did tell you. And the pressure came because if they hadn't reached out to King, the rioting would've gotten worse. He was an alternative, not the root cause.

Kings approach worked better than rioting. Riots set blacks americans back then, they are doing the same now. Its obvious

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Whats your mastermind solution?

Look if you wanna kill someone, kill the murderers. Don't drag kids into this.

Hence the riots.

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Rika_Furude posted...

it's a fact that all the peaceful protests up until now didnt stop the pigs from killing innocents

The 1992 L.A. riots didn't stop police brutality either. So what's your point?

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DaveRose316 posted...

The 1992 L.A. riots didn't stop police brutality either. So what's your point?

Somethings got to give. People cant just accept the current state of things forever and it has already been proven that for this movement that peaceful methods will not work.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Hence the riots.

You just wanna watch the US burn imo. Its kinda obvious. Riots lately have never accomplished anything except the destruction of innocent peoples property.

Keith_Valentine posted...

You just wanna watch the US burn imo. Its kinda obvious. Riots lately have never accomplished anything except the destruction of innocent peoples property.

Ive always supported voting for people who will make a positive change such as Bernie. When peaceful methods never work, riots are what you accept.

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They had riots before and nothing was changed, except economics when the businesses destroyed didnt come back.

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DaveRose316 posted...

The 1992 L.A. riots didn't stop police brutality either. So what's your point?

scorpion41 posted...

They had riots before and nothing was changed, except economics when the businesses destroyed didnt come back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-17878180
yeah sure nothing changed right why do you guys think the OJ trail was a big deal then hmm

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iirc doesnt rika have anime girls in his sig? No wonder hes so bad at debating serious matters.

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All these people can do is strawman and deflect when they cant defend their precious piggies and their repulsive behaviour.
Tc never cared about the children harmed when the pigs killed their parents in cold blood

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Rika_Furude posted...

Ive always supported voting for people who will make a positive change such as Bernie. When peaceful methods never work, riots are what you accept.

What peaceful methods were tried? It went straight to rioting. The cop is in custody on murder charges, as he should be. Justice is served. But you are encouraging riots from the safety of Aussieland i believe?

I have noticed you harshing on the US before. If you put that energy into politics in your country, all your rage might actually matter. I really just think you want to see shit get worse. You may say its because you have noble end goals, bit the posts about us that ive seen, youre usually negative and hostile.

Its like.. these rioters are burning their own neighborhoods. Hurting average people, scaring them the same way cops out of control are scaring people. But you seem to cheer it on.

gikos posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-17878180
yeah sure nothing changed right why do you guys think the OJ trail was a big deal then hmm

Why do people keep bringing up 30 year old examples? What about Ferguson and Baltimore?

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Keith_Valentine posted...

What peaceful methods were tried? It went straight to rioting.

Do you live under a rock?
Here's just one out of countless.
https://i.imgur.com/fMeUvCs.jpg

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Police macing children

Problem with Kep though was that he didn't really start doing his thing until he got cut back or criticized for being a shitty QB.

Makes one question his original intentions until he ran with it.

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scorpion41 posted...

Why do people keep bringing up 30 year old examples? What about Ferguson and Baltimore?

cuz the same people keep saying riots back then didn't change anything and as for those two examples they gave birth to the BLM movement and an investigation in the baltimore pd
https://www.iamelelawfirmbaltimore.com/former-baltimore-cop-admits-police-misconduct-to-fbi/
and kneeling and look how they were treated so the idea people didn't try the peaceful option first is out of the window

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gikos posted...

cuz the same people keep saying riots back then didn't change anything and as for those two examples they gave birth to the BLM movement and an investigation in the baltimore pd
https://www.iamelelawfirmbaltimore.com/former-baltimore-cop-admits-police-misconduct-to-fbi/
and kneeling and look how they were treated so the idea people didn't try the peaceful option first is out of the window

And still nothing has changed on a national level, even though the cases in the last decade sparked national outrage. Current congressmen and senators dont care and thats the cold, hard truth. They get nice bonuses from the unions and arent about to give that up.

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scorpion41 posted...

And still nothing has changed on a national level, even though the cases in the last decade sparked national outrage. Current congressmen and senators dont care and thats the cold, hard truth. They get nice bonuses from the unions and arent about to give that up.

and that's why people are angry man this was years of rage building up and that's why most of us understand their rage while i don't support burning down people's livehood i still see it and plus the freaking moron in the white house just used a freaking 60's quote to stoke the flames more and god if NG start shooting at them this will blow up even more

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scorpion41 posted...

And still nothing has changed on a national level, even though the cases in the last decade sparked national outrage. Current congressmen and senators dont care and thats the cold, hard truth. They get nice bonuses from the unions and arent about to give that up.

So what, do nothing?

It's not that I support the random violence, so much as this was an inevitability. I'd like for it to be focused, for people just wrecking shit to be separated and handled as opposed to the people targeting the actual fucked up establishments, but how is that going to happen?

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Rika_Furude posted...

Do you live under a rock?
Here's just one out of countless.
https://i.imgur.com/fMeUvCs.jpg

I obviously meant relating to riots currently. And Kaep is extremely divisive. Hes a multi millionaire who protested the Betty Ross flag on a nike shoe. Hes a 1% who wouldnt even stand for the national anthem in a country that made a black man like him a superstar.

And i think you want to pour gas on all this. You like it.

Wow, it's like he has respect and concern for something other than his money.

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lol literally any points will be met with some vaguely nationalistic claims of hypocrisy, why bother

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Wow, it's like he has respect and concern for something other than his money.

He was successful in his protest, he got lots of sympathy and RiRi backed out of the halftime show in solidarity. Other players joined his victimstance. So peaceful protest worked, like i said? Wow

Keith_Valentine posted...

He was successful in his protest, he got lots of sympathy and RiRi backed out of the halftime show in solidarity. Other players joined his victimstance. So peaceful protest worked, like i said? Wow

Worked in what sense? What changed? Did less black people get killed by cops?

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Keith_Valentine posted...

I obviously meant relating to riots currently

what the fuck is this weak ass bullshit? get the fuck out of here. the current riots are the most clear cut case of a straw breaking the camels back to have ever existed. what do you mean all the prior peaceful protests being completely meaningless have nothing to do with the current riots? get the fuck out of here. fuck off.

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