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MFBKBass5
05/30/20 3:26:36 AM
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As much as I support these protests, whats the end goal? Police chiefs just telling their cops ok guys dont be racist anymore isnt gonna work. Throwing around the word accountability is too vague.

I think the first step is some sort of zero tolerance policy towards ANY office who uses unauthorized force against a civilian whos not posing a threat of danger. No second chances. Instantly removed from the force and banned from ever being an officer again.

What else? No one seems to have tangible, concrete ideas for police reform that politicians could actually pass into law.

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Irony
05/30/20 3:27:30 AM
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There isn't an end goal. They just want violence

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Happy_Tristesse
05/30/20 3:28:08 AM
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Bust police unions

Demilitarize the police

Hold DAs accountable

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Lost_All_Senses
05/30/20 3:28:08 AM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
Throwing around the word accountability is too vague

Is it tho?

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Webmaster4531
05/30/20 3:31:21 AM
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The D.A. and Lawyers should switch roles for Policemen on trial.
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MFBKBass5
05/30/20 3:33:38 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Is it tho?


Yes, because people see accountability in a thousand different ways. To some people, it means a slap on the wrist, a warning, etc.

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spudger
05/30/20 3:34:31 AM
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They dont want reform they want to keep killing people in this police state

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sevihaimerej
05/30/20 3:36:06 AM
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All the cops that have murdered in cold blood and got off scott free should be sent to Phobos for "rehabilitation". Or that one exoplanet that perpetually rains glass horizontally at like 10,000 mph.

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Zeeak4444
05/30/20 3:37:14 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/gt6myh/killer_mike_addresses_the_people_of_atlanta/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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OgesMC
05/30/20 3:37:18 AM
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There should already be zero tolerance for excessive force, he didnt deserve to die. Of course the cops should have been very cautious because of his history (armed home invasion robbery of a woman in Houston) but not violent towards him or as they brutally did, murder him.

I dont know how to reform the system myself, but something needs to be put in motion.
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spudger
05/30/20 3:38:43 AM
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OgesMC posted...
There should already be zero tolerance for excessive force, he didnt deserve to die. Of course the cops should have been very cautious because of his history (armed home invasion robbery of a woman in Houston) but not violent towards him or as they brutally did, murder him.

I dont know how to reform the system myself, but something needs to be put in motion.
Independent oversight would help

no cops policing cops

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apocalyptic_4
05/30/20 3:40:01 AM
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Accountability is one no officer should get special treatment or paid leave for incompetence leading to death.

What triggered these riots was the fact it took days for this man to be arrested for grossly killing that man and the 2 red necks that gunned down that jogger not getting arrested until footage leaked.

This is a deeper problem than simple police reform but the lack of real punishment has always been the problem and complaint. The racial side of it I honestly believe cant be fixed no way to vet racists from joining.

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Lord_Wombat
05/30/20 3:40:45 AM
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The first step would be to drop the "ACAB" bullshit.

What's the difference between saying "those cops are shitty people so I hate all cops" and saying "this black guy broke the law so all blacks are bad?"

I'm all for reform, but hypocrisy isn't the way to go about it.

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TomNook20
05/30/20 3:42:48 AM
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hockeybub89
05/30/20 3:44:38 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
What's the difference between saying "those cops are shitty people so I hate all cops" and saying "this black guy broke the law so all blacks are bad?"
Yikes

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MFBKBass5
05/30/20 3:45:31 AM
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I think one of the biggest issues with cops is simply abuse of power. Having ultimate authority the way they do is disgusting. It corrupts good men and women to think they can do whatever the hell they want.

Yeah, the racism is a huge issue...but everyone has a story dealing with a shitty cop who violated your rights and got away with it.

I like the idea of an independent oversight of officers, but I just dont know how it would work. It would need to be people
very well versed in the law.

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sevihaimerej
05/30/20 3:46:33 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
The first step would be to drop the "ACAB" bullshit.

What's the difference between saying "those cops are shitty people so I hate all cops" and saying "this black guy broke the law so all blacks are bad?"

I'm all for reform, but hypocrisy isn't the way to go about it.
Well...one is a chosen profession and the other is an unchosen physical trait. Generalizations are indeed lazy, inaccurate, and potentially dangerous but that all also applies to sloppy analogies.

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Lord_Wombat
05/30/20 3:46:47 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Yikes
Yikes indeed. Hopefully one day people will get off their high horses and realize I'm right.

Well, after their "justified" crime spree...

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spudger
05/30/20 3:50:10 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
Yikes indeed. Hopefully one day people will get off their high horses and realize I'm right.

Well, after their "justified" crime spree...
Your mom is calling, your hot pockets ready

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cerealbox760
05/30/20 3:50:56 AM
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Floyd narrative goes only to racism and not governmental overreach. Nothing gets done when they are focused on the wrong thing
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Webmaster4531
05/30/20 3:51:00 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
The first step would be to drop the "ACAB" bullshit.
Bad apples ruin the bunch. All the cops there assisted murder.
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Lord_Wombat
05/30/20 3:57:39 AM
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spudger posted...
Your mom is calling, your hot pockets ready
Eh, I'm not driving 3 states for hotpockets.

sevihaimerej posted...
Well...one is a chosen profession and the other is an unchosen physical trait. Generalizations are indeed lazy, inaccurate, and potentially dangerous but that all also applies to sloppy analogies.
How is it a sloppy analogy? In both cases the people of an entire group is being judged by the actions of a shitty minority of that group. Should I hate white people because of Jeffery Dahmer? Should I hate Cubans because of Castro?

Hell, what about black cops? Are they also bad/racist? What about when literally any other race is mistreated? It doesn't matter?

There are good and bad people in any group, there are good and bad ways to handle a grievance. This isn't the right way.

If you can't grasp that simple thought, that's on you.


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Lord_Wombat
05/30/20 3:58:41 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Bad apples ruin the bunch. All the cops there assisted murder.
Then it works that way in the other half of my analogy, right?

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iPhone_7
05/30/20 3:59:30 AM
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ban police unions

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Kolibri X
05/30/20 4:07:40 AM
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These people who are "protesting" don't care about the issue, otherwise they wouldn't be making a mess, making them and their cause look idiotic and violent. By taking the focus away from Floyd and onto burning buildings, they've destroyed the conversation and turned many normal people of all races against them. Every adult is shaking their heads in disgust at you instead of the police. Good job everyone who supported this, you fucked up and made your cities and lives worse.

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Statical_Pork
05/30/20 4:12:53 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/gt6myh/killer_mike_addresses_the_people_of_atlanta/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
My beef with the go out an vote bit him and the mayor are on is that it implies the system as it exists allows candidates worth voting for. The two party system has a stranglehold on our government, and neither party has any interest in truly progressive policy.
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Webmaster4531
05/30/20 4:17:42 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
Then it works that way in the other half of my analogy, right?
Do you know the difference between a bunch of apples and every apple in the world?
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au_gold
05/30/20 4:18:36 AM
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Its a systemic problem. It wont go away overnight. Over generations, maybe.

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NinjaBreakfast
05/30/20 4:22:36 AM
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Love when the racist trumpers start concern trolling

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DrizztLink
05/30/20 4:23:29 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
The D.A. and Lawyers should switch roles for Policemen on trial.
I think I know what you mean, but could you elaborate?

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Webmaster4531
05/30/20 4:31:17 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
I think I know what you mean, but could you elaborate?
I was just thinking how cops and the district attorneys working together is a conflict of interest during a policeman's trial. I guess I can't really elaborate more.
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CommonStar
05/30/20 4:33:41 AM
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Defund the police

Demilitarize the police

Stop rehiring bad cops

Break up the police union
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thebatz
05/30/20 4:33:49 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
ban police unions
that sounds nice and all but what recourse do police officers have to refuse a dangerous order if it is given to them as an order by their management and they are threatened with suspension or termination for not following something that could endanger their life.

like it or not, police work is dangerous and they need union protection.

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2Pacavelli
05/30/20 4:34:36 AM
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You already know what police reform is. Arrest and prosecute offenders to the maximum extent of the law. The Amber Guygers and Derek Chauvins need to be punished with 50 years to life.

Breonna Taylor's murderers are still free that's not okay. Stop sugarcoating blatant murders and injustices and maybe these things wouldn't happen.

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Lord_Wombat
05/30/20 4:49:19 AM
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2Pacavelli posted...
Stop sugarcoating blatant murders and injustices and maybe these things wouldn't happen.
Oh ffs...

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UnfairRepresent
05/30/20 6:24:39 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
These people who are "protesting" don't care about the issue, otherwise they wouldn't be making a mess, making them and their cause look idiotic and violent. By taking the focus away from Floyd and onto burning buildings, they've destroyed the conversation and turned many normal people of all races against them.

Where as when Colin Kapernapperdappernick did a non-violent protest for a clear cause, the conversation and focus remained on his course right? And the focus wasn't turned into something fucking stupid to ignore it?

You're full of it. You're acting like anyone was listening to the protesters and they ruined it by esclating. The reality is they esclated because people like you intentionally lie and ignore them for decades

These riots and protests did not happen overnight and George/Breonna Taylor aren't the cause of the unrest they the latest in a long line of victims that goes back over 100 years.
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UnfairRepresent
05/30/20 6:34:17 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...

Sorry they're not more important than any other race and don't get preferential treatment. I'm sure the crime spree will change things

No one is asking for preferential treatment. They're asking for accountbility and equality. People keep being abused and killed and the guys doing it are rarely punished and when they are it's only due to immense public pressure. Not because of a functioning system.

If Arbery and George's murder weren't recorded, the guys who killed them would be watching porn right now, living their lives as normal.

And it actually might cause change. History has shown that violent crime has actually caused political change. The United States of America is literally built on that.

I doubt it will since Conservatives are hellbent on ensuring positive change never occurs. But the notion of "nothing ever comes from violent protests" is just innaccurate.

Thomas Jefferson mused on the idea of a revolution every 20 years
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DrizztLink
05/30/20 7:10:24 AM
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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(400, 78731456, 939925727, '54b31478');" href="/boards/400-current-events/78731456/939925727">Webmaster4531 posted... </a>
I was just thinking how cops and the district attorneys working together is a conflict of interest during a policeman's trial. I guess I can't really elaborate more.
Oh, ok.

So like the cop is represented by the DA instead of prosecuted?

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SolidSonicEX
05/30/20 7:12:58 AM
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Thats because ACAB and the only solution is the removal of law enforcement entirely and replace it with a new entity built on a new foundation.

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TheBiggerWiggle
05/30/20 7:37:31 AM
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No one is talking about police reform

Mother fucker people have been talking about it for YEARS and it hasnt happened. They created this mess, not the people. Weve finally hit a breaking point and its time for us to push back.

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SolidSonicEX
05/30/20 7:40:01 AM
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YEAH! And no one should be allowed to own firearms either! They just cause problems!

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