Current Events > I gave my tenant the heads up about a rent increase...

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She hasn't read or replied back yet. I'll give her the paper copy this weekend and in Sept it's an extra $24 a month. She makes +10K more than me at her job. So she can easily afford it.

I mentioned this last week or so. Her bf comes over 60% of the time or more. He stays the night and showers along with laundry being used more often. Compared to last year my water bill has gone up $10-20 a month. Based on this month alone he's been over 16 times staying the night already. I'm sure it'll be 20 days this month.

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Seems fair

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Why are you paying utilities instead of her? Lol

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EdgeMaster posted...

Why are you paying utilities instead of her? Lol

Most landlords pay for water. Tenant on the hook for the rest.

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I did an all inclusive deal I share the unlimited high speed internet also with her. I control the heat and ac and it's a 1 bedroom basement that's not that big. Electricity didn't change. There's literally only 5 podlights in the basement which are highly energy efficient.

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_Marka_Ragnos_ posted...

Most landlords pay for water. Tenant on the hook for the rest.

I see. In my state its generally pay the landlord a set amount of money and you set up water, trash, sewer, internet, electricity and gas in your own name.

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Its unfair to raise rent during Covid. She should leave.

My ex wife is renting a 4 bedroom house and she pays for all bills there plus has to cut the grass herself along with shoveling snow. Her bf does most of it though. Technically speaking landlords are responsible for that or else the tenant can ask for money for doing the yard work.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Based on this month alone he's been over 16 times staying the night already.

You counted?

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ZTT888returning posted...

Its unfair to raise rent during Covid. She should leave.

Her job along with mine didn't get affected. If she's not happy she can move out. Either keep the rent the same and I'll lock the laundry door. A laundry mat in town will cost her $6 so roughly the same or more as my increase. It'll be an inconvenience for her to drive there sit and wait then come back with her stuff.

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Austin_Era topic

How much of your monthly income is just her money

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BeyondWalls posted...

You counted?

I mark it on my calendar. I've been doing this since last year. Some months it's less than 15 days and some more. I noticed she use to do 1 load a week and now it's typically twice.

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Slumlord she should take you to court

This whole thing seems like an awful lot of work and confrontation for the pittance of $24

Getting upset that someone does more than 1 load of laundry a week is truly insane

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So you "agreed" to pay her water bill, but you actually want to recoup that shit in rent. Whatever.
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pepper2012 posted...

This whole thing seems like an awful lot of work and confrontation for the pittance of $24

I really think TC should've just had a talk to her about her bf. Instead, he just passive aggressively added rent.

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Fair, its basically an extra tenant. Apartment and hotels ask how many people are staying

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Slumlord she should take you to court

Legally I can increase it 2.2% without any reason given.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Legally I can increase it 2.2% without any reason given.

Pandemic tho do you have no conscience do it next year 24 dollars isn't shit the good will is worth the 24 dollars

I'll post a screenshot of the msg if she replies back not wanting to pay the increase. Look on the guidelines for Ontario. In 2020 I can raise it 2.2%. I spoke with a lawyer last week and they said it's fine.

She hasn't lost her job or got a pay decrease. Her bf comes over often and laundry increased. I verbally told her last year he can move in and it'll be an extra $100 a month. She said the space is too small for his stuff. So why take advantage of me when I only rented the place out to her?

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If your main reason to increasing the rent is because of her water bill usage, which you agreed to pay, then I think that's problematic. Especially because in a regular renting situation, there's no stipulation against having other people come over and making use of that apt's facilities. It's not like the boyfriend is a pet. Luckily for you, tenants are in a lose-lose situation in the US so she can't do much except move, which, of course, can incur issues depending on the nature of the lease.

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darkprince45 posted...

Fair, its basically an extra tenant. Apartment and hotels ask how many people are staying

This is when you're supposed to lie. Bitch, i'm paying for a 2-bedroom. Am I not allowed to use the second bedroom? I ain't paying extra to use the space I already paid for lol.
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Oh wow we live in the same province.
Well don't be outraged CE cause $24 canadian is only about $5 USD right now so the increase isnt so bad

https://www.ontario.ca/page/rent-increase-guideline

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masticatingman posted...

If your main reason to increasing the rent is because of her water bill usage, which you agreed to pay, then I think that's problematic. Especially because in a regular renting situation, there's no stipulation against having other people come over and making use of that apt's facilities. It's not like the boyfriend is a pet. Luckily for you, tenants are in a lose-lose situation in the US so she can't do much except move, which, of course, can incur issues depending on the nature of the lease.

If 2 people were gonna move in I'd charge $1200 a month all inclusive. It's for 1 person. If I cancel laundry and not share my internet she's gonna be paying over $100 on her end regardless. Technically she could have 2 more people "move in" cause a lawyer said as long as it's not overcrowed. That's BS. If I say to someone who's wants to move in alone it's $1300 a month, but since it's 1 person I'll give it to you for $1100 then don't take advantage of someone's kindness.

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Don't you have to legally wait until the next lease? Also aren't you the guy who wanted his child support lowered because your ex was seen eating at Bob Evans?

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Pandemic tho do you have no conscience do it next year 24 dollars isn't shit the good will is worth the 24 dollars

What difference does this make? Her job and mine weren't affected. The bf is mooching. If I wanna each year I can increase the rent based on the guidelines in Ontario. Did I raise it in 2019? No.

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lilORANG posted...

So you "agreed" to pay her water bill, but you actually want to recoup that shit in rent. Whatever.

If the lease is even close to comprehensive then theres probably a clause stating that any unusual and consistent increases in the utility costs will result in a rent increase.

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Don't you have to legally wait until the next lease? Also aren't you the guy who wanted his child support lowered because your ex was seen eating at Bob Evans?

No. You mentioned this Bob Evans things before lol...you got the wrong guy.

Our agreement since she moved in fall of 2018 is month-to-month. I didn't do a year lease.

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My girlfriend's property owner has increased her rent $25 every year since she moved in back in 2015. She has to pay for water, utilities, garbage permit herself.

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masticatingman posted...

If your main reason to increasing the rent is because of her water bill usage, which you agreed to pay, then I think that's problematic. Especially because in a regular renting situation, there's no stipulation against having other people come over and making use of that apt's facilities. It's not like the boyfriend is a pet. Luckily for you, tenants are in a lose-lose situation in the US so she can't do much except move, which, of course, can incur issues depending on the nature of the lease.

Theres a difference between someone coming over once or twice a week and them spending the majority of the month at the place. When would they be considered a tenant?

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Cheese_Crackers posted...

If the lease is even close to comprehensive then there?s probably a clause stating that any unusual and consistent increases in the utility costs will result in a rent increase.

Thre is no lease. TC is a troll account lol.
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It's a month-to-month. I'm not gonna photocopy to show CE the paperwork I got from TD bank to use. Like I said if she's not happy with the increase and replies back to my msg I'll post a screenshot for proof. I can legally raise it every year. I chose to this year because I'm being taken advantage of. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. Move out and I'll get new tenants.

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

My girlfriend's property owner has increased her rent $25 every year since she moved in back in 2015. She has to pay for water, utilities, garbage permit herself.

Exactly my point. I'm not doing this. I'm not increasing it every year. I told her when she moved in I wasn't like that. It went up this year due to water going up and someone else staying over often. I'm not a charity. Her bf didn't sign the agreement only her. It's pretty crappy as I already mentioned when I spoke with a lawyer to clarify about the rent increase and he said legally 2 or more people she can let move in without signing.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

I did an all inclusive deal I share the unlimited high speed internet also with her. I control the heat and ac and it's a 1 bedroom basement that's not that big. Electricity didn't change. There's literally only 5 podlights in the basement which are highly energy efficient.

Clearly not all inclusive if you start charging her more for the reasons you mentioned in the opening post. And why are you counting how often her boyfriend comes over? If she pays rent it shouldn't concern you.

As a real estate owner/letter myself I think your reasons for increasing the rent are not justified. Should have charged that much from the beginning, or at least find a better reason for increasing the rent. Not sure how the laws in the US work but anything like increasing internet speed, replacing/fixing the floor, doors, windows, or upgrading the kitchen are reasons to increase rent (there are many more of course). If you have an all inclusive deal and she takes showers more than you would ideally want, you'll have to suck it up.

Just my two cents.

Revnir posted...

Sure but it's best not to piss off your tenants too much no? What if she just destroys your plumbing out of spite and disappears without a trace and you're left with a huge repair bill

I live in a small town. I know where she works. If there's clear proof of damage by her I'll go to a lawyer. Is she gonna up and quit her job and move away so I can't find her?

This is the same person who I also mentioned her bf broke my lower shelf and nobody told me. A flame was used on one of my office ceiling tiles in the basement and she denied it saying it was water damage. Twice she lied to me already.

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winged_weltall posted...

Clearly not all inclusive if you start charging her more for the reasons you mentioned in the opening post. And why are you counting how often her boyfriend comes over? If she pays rent it shouldn't concern you.

As a real estate owner/letter myself I think your reasons for increasing the rent are not justified. Should have charged that much from the beginning, or at least find a better reason for increasing the rent. Not sure how the laws in the US work but anything like increasing internet speed, replacing/fixing the floor, doors, windows, or upgrading the kitchen are reasons to increase rent (there are many more of course). If you have an all inclusive deal and she takes showers more than you would ideally want, you'll have to suck it up.

Just my two cents.

Sure, but if the Ontario law says I can increase rent each year without a reason then I'm doing so. I have my reasons why and if they aren't legit then guess what? Don't matter I legally still can. I had to fix the drywall myself. I also got a new soundproof door installed this year for her. And since my bungalow house is split I didn't have a door installed for my privacy which I got installed this year also. And now I'm looking into getting a mandoor in the garage cause her access in and out are through the garage using my garage door opener.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Sure, but if the Ontario law says I can increase rent each year without a reason then I'm doing so. I have my reasons why and if they aren't legit then guess what? Don't matter I legally still can. I had to fix the drywall myself. I also got a new soundproof door installed this year for her. And since my bungalow house is split I didn't have a door installed for my privacy which I got installed this year also. And now I'm looking into getting a mandoor in the garage cause her access in and out are through the garage using my garage door opener.

I dont think anyones arguing the legality. Theyre implying that youre an asshole.

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Cheese_Crackers posted...

I dont think anyones arguing the legality. Theyre implying that youre an asshole.

Whatever I don't care. I'm being taken advantage of and I'm the asshole. Eventually when she moves out I'll rent it for $1200 so I don't need to low ball it and keep increasing it.

She should learn when her and her guest break shit at my house tell me about it instead of being all quiet.

Also my former inlaws who have been coming over to babysit my kids also mentioned did the bf move in or sign the paperwork? No. Exactly.

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Alright she msged me back said I never mentioned I was increasing the rent. Verbally I told her this year I may or may not. Either way my discussion with her about the increase is a matter of he said she said and I'm not going down that path without proof. So I ignored that. She said she knows I legally can and asked why. I told her due to reno work. I got 2 brand new soundproof doors installed along with topping up insulation for better soundproofing along with new drywall done for one of the doorway and now I'm getting a mandoor installed. I'll be spending close to $8000. Going forward with her I'll probably increase rent every 2 years instead of every year.

Also I spoke with an employee where I worked before who has 2 homes that he also rents out he mentioned to me one home he never raised the rent each year when he legally could and now is playing catchup based on the current rental rate. I don't wanna get caught up in that. Things go up in price and as a smart business man I'd be dumb not to take advantage of inflation also. Call it whatever you like. Welcome to the real world.

Alright she replied back and is cool with everything since I told her no issues on her end. I gotta play it wisely with my words and keep a good relationship since she's been a good tenant. Worst case she's lying and moves out in Sept which I don't care cause I'll rent it to someone else easily.

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Crono99 posted...

I feel that. I have a 6 room apartment leased at $950 a month and a real estate broker told me the market rate is about 1700. But the guy has been there since the 90s.

Thats a long ass time. When did you get the building?


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