Current Events > Did Ulfric Stormcloak Make Skyrim Great Again?

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Nope.

In canon

The Elves just took Skyrim over. They won
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Nope.

In canon

The Elves just took Skyrim over. They won

Source?

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jumi posted...

Source?

in game theres a book where the thalmor basically say thye want ulfric in power, easier to invade a divided nation and what not. the definition of a useful idiot.

not sure about them actually succeeding in taking it tho.

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Yazarogi posted...

in game theres a book where the thalmor basically say thye want ulfric in power, easier to invade a divided nation and what not. the definition of a useful idiot.

not sure about them actually succeeding in taking it tho.

It's a scroll and one of the most misunderstood things in the game by far used by Anti-Ulfric people. They wanted a civil war to continue and it specifically said a Stormcloak victory would be a big problem for the Thalmor.

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Vyrulisse posted...

It's a scroll and one of the most misunderstood things in the game by far used by Anti-Ulfric people. They wanted a civil war to continue and it specifically said a Stormcloak victory would be a big problem for the Thalmor.

Looks like an actual dossier to me

Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval
Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of the Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran

Background:

Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset. The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.

Operational Notes:

Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

IDK it seems like it could be swung both ways, yes they don't want a Stormcloak victory, so that part is at least debunked.

I guess it's up to the player themselves what to make of it?

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

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Skyrim isn't supposed to be about politics :(

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