Current Events > Dark Souls 3 has sold over 10 million copies

(+) Yeah! (+)

Whole franchise has sold over 27 million

https://www.bandainamcoent.co.jp/pdfs/USA_DARK%20SOULS%20III_Surpasses%2010%20Million%20Units%20in%20Sales%20Worldwide.pdf

But they're ignoring a huge market without an easy mode!

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The buffet approach isn't for every game. Sometimes, by trying to go for everyone, you get too thin, and then no one wants you.

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PiOverlord posted...

The buffet approach isn't for every game. Sometimes, by trying to go for everyone, you get too thin, and then no one wants you.

A lot of people really struggle to understand this with video games.

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DS3 might be my most regretful d1p. I've beaten every Souls game and Bloodborne, but hated everything about DS3.

I watched a playthrough and I'm glade I skipped it. Good for From though

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ds3 owns and ds2 is horrible

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The series wouldn't have reached this level of popularity without the difficulty, the main selling point people hyped the series up for in the first place.

Forgettable posted...

where the enemy deal no damage and die in 1 hit.

This exists in the game

You block and then zweihander R2

I like how you ran away from one topic because you had no point just to repeat the same strawman in a new topic.
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Asking for an easy mode for DS is a fight not worth fighting for. It's very trivial and minor and you would not use the same argument against any other games.

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Veggeta X posted...

and you would not use the same argument against any other games.

It's almost like no other fanbase on Earth (for a Triple A game or movie) would be opposed to it or something.

Curious how you think that's a point in Dark Souls favor not a realization of how weird and toxic a plurality the fanbase is.

RE fans didn't complain when RE1make added diffculty mode options

Flashback fans didn't complain when Flashback Anniversary added rewind options.

Dark Souls fans would flip out if an Easy Mode was patched in tomorrow. And you know this full well.
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So your argument here now isn't that you want an easy mode, it's that there should be an easy mode added but DS fans would outrage about it.

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Veggeta X posted...

Asking for an easy mode for DS is a fight not worth fighting for. It's very trivial and minor and you would not use the same argument against any other games.

Probably because no other games are simultaneously legendarily miserable to play and shoved down everyone's throat by fans.

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Couldve been 20,000,000 of they had an easy mode.
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Veggeta X posted...

So your argument here now isn't that you want an easy mode, it's that there should be an easy mode added but DS fans would outrage about it.

I haven't made an argument (except in response to people), nor have I ever expressed an opinion on an Easy Mode, let alone called for one.

The only question I asked is "What reason is there to oppose Player Choice?" and TC flipped out. This weird thing about Dark Souls sales figures is just one of the rants in response to evading that simple question like the plague.

Because the answer is "There is none."
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DevsBro posted...

Probably because no other games are simultaneously legendarily miserable to play and shoved down everyone's throat by fans.

I can think of a few:

Monster Hunter
Devil May Cry 3
Oblivion
Final Fantasy Tactics

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UnfairRepresent posted...

"What reason is there to oppose Player Choice?"

Again, why is this an exclusive thing brought up ONLY to Dark Souls?

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Veggeta X posted...

Oblivion

What? I was like 16 when oblivion came out and it wasnt hard at all. I didnt even understand how to build a character either.

Game was a cakewalk

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I4NRulez posted...

What? I was like 16 when oblivion came out and it wasnt hard at all. I didnt even understand how to build a character either.

Game was a cakewalk

Hmm that's a first. Please do detail on how Oblivion was a cakewalk for you because from my own experience and other people's play through the scale system set you up for failure, if you didn't level correctly then you're doomed, if you didn't abuse some sort of in-built mechanism within the game then it wasn't gonna be a cakewalk.

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hyperpowder posted...

DS3 might be my most regretful d1p. I've beaten every Souls game and Bloodborne, but hated everything about DS3.

I watched a playthrough and I'm glade I skipped it. Good for From though

Weird.

It's a very good game. So are Dark Souls 1 and 2 tho.

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Veggeta X posted...

Hmm that's a first. Please do detail on how Oblivion was a cakewalk for you because from my own experience and other people's play through the scale system set you up for failure, if you didn't level correctly then you're doomed, if you didn't abuse some sort of in-built mechanism within the game then it wasn't gonna be a cakewalk.

I cant give you many details i havent honestly played Oblivion in years.

but ive never had a problem with any elder scrolls game. All i really remember is being a teen and just kinda running through it. I might have died here and there but i was never stuck.

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I don't really like Dark Souls 3. I suppose its technically a very good game, but, and pardon the pun, it strikes me as wholey soulless and exists for no reason other than because Dark Souls is a popular video game (franchise). I certainly got nothing out of it that I look for in a Souls game.
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Veggeta X posted...

Hmm that's a first. Please do detail on how Oblivion was a cakewalk for you because from my own experience and other people's play through the scale system set you up for failure, if you didn't level correctly then you're doomed, if you didn't abuse some sort of in-built mechanism within the game then it wasn't gonna be a cakewalk.

It's miserable at the default difficulty setting but hey what do you know there are difficulty settings.

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Or find a crutch and abuse it.

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Veggeta X posted...

Again, why is this an exclusive thing brought up ONLY to Dark Souls?

Again.

It's not.

Dark Souls is just the only Triple A fanbase that a plurality of fans doesn't respond to the question of "There is no reason."

And again, you're trying to change the conversation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPgDQkmqqM
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Dark Souls is just the only Triple A fanbase that a plurality of fans doesn't respond to the question of "There is no reason."

I've brought up games where the community reject similar things. There are MANY hardcore elitist communities where they shame you if you don't play the game a certain specific way. Gatekeepers basically.

If you're just tryna call out DS fanboys for being gatekeepers then plainly say so.

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Veggeta X posted...

I've brought up games where the community reject similar things. There are MANY hardcore elitist communities where they shame you if you don't play the game a certain specific way. Gatekeepers basically.

And these nebulous people you can't name are toxic too if they do the same thing a plurality of DS fans do.

If you're just tryna call out DS fanboys for being gatekeepers then plainly say so.

I was just asking a question. That's literally it.

But I've made no secret (in fact just saida few seconds ago) that a plurality of DS fans are toxic

"What reason is there to oppose Player Choice?"
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Dark Souls 3 is the best by a lot, well deserved. Unlike those poop games DS2 and bloodborne

Wait hold up. Oblivion is considered a hard game? On normal or do you mean max difficulty? Max difficulty is incredibly boring, since you do so little damage (that you take so much isn't really a problem if you are playing correctly). Oblivion isn't really known for fun combat but if you want to slog through it that's fine, but I wouldn't call it difficult. The difficulty is in designing your character and leveling efficiently (due to scaling), not the actual gameplay.

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ssjevot posted...

The difficulty is in designing your character and leveling efficiently (due to scaling), not the actual gameplay.

Well yeah

But since building and leveling your character is so counter-intuitive, poorly explained and just plain stupid, it was easy to end up with a terrible character--especially your first time.

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DevsBro posted...

Well yeah

But since building and leveling your character is so counter-intuitive, poorly explained and just plain stupid, it was easy to end up with a terrible character--especially your first time.

I assume most people play on normal their first time, not the highest difficulty, in which case you will be fine.

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devsbro nothing is making you comment on shit you know nothing about, let alone be elitist over it. why do you do it all the time? you come off as mad insecure

Pythagorass posted...

devsbro nothing is making you comment on shit you know nothing about, let alone be elitist over it. why do you do it all the time? you come off as mad insecure

Hm?

I played around 200 hours in Oblivion. Most of that time was spent charging into battle, swinging a weapon three or so times, running the hell away and spending several minutes charging magicka and casting cure.

This was on the default difficulty.

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DevsBro posted...

Hm?

DevsBro posted...

Probably because no other games are simultaneously legendarily miserable to play and shoved down everyone's throat by fans.

You mean because I've never played DS? All that post says is that everyone calls it absurdly difficult. Which they do.

Well that and that it's also the talk of the gaming world. Which it is.

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DevsBro posted...

Hm?

I played around 200 hours in Oblivion. Most of that time was spent charging into battle, swinging a weapon three or so times, running the hell away and spending several minutes charging magicka and casting cure.

This was on the default difficulty.

I mean youre scared to play dark souls so who can really trust what you know about game difficulty.

ssjevot posted...

Oblivion isn't really known for fun combat but if you want to slog through it that's fine, but I wouldn't call it difficult. The difficulty is in designing your character and leveling efficiently (due to scaling), not the actual gameplay.

Poor design isnt game difficulty though. Otherwise every steam game that isnt finished and you fall through the floor would be considered hard

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i don't understand how adding another difficulty as an option effects the players that don't use it

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TwoDoorPC posted...

i don't understand how adding another difficulty as an option effects the players that don't use it

Because a lot of dark souls is intertwined in PVP. Also dark souls isnt locked. There are fog walls but the main hub of the game allows you to go anywhere.

An easy mode wont stop a new player from running into the tomb of giants or new londo and getting stomped.

If dark souls were to do an easy mode it would have to be offline but then the people that need the most help would be missing out on help from the community.

No one is really against it but people are hesitant about it changing core fundamentals of the game. So they would rather it just not happen.

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TwoDoorPC posted...

i don't understand how adding another difficulty as an option effects the players that don't use it

How on earth have you guys not heard of the term "gatekeepers"?

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DevsBro posted...

You mean because I've never played DS? All that post says is that everyone calls it absurdly difficult. Which they do.

Well that and that it's also the talk of the gaming world. Which it is.

I don't think the games are actually that difficult. Basically anyone can beat them, you don't need crazy reflexes or anything like that, but it has a steep learning curve. There is a lot of trial and error, but it's like riding a bike, once you know how it's not that hard. I watched an old bed-ridden Japanese man beat Dark Souls. He can't get out of bed, but he could beat the game. That said it's not a game for everyone obviously. If you don't want to have to deal with the learning curve it won't be fun. But you can save yourself the money and just watch a Let's Play if you really don't want to try it. There are also a variety of things you can do in game to make it easier, but it's still going to involve a lot of trial and error no matter what.

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I4NRulez posted...

Because a lot of dark souls is intertwined in PVP

then keep the pvp modes separate by difficulty.

I4NRulez posted...

An easy mode wont stop a new player from running into the tomb of giants or new londo and getting stomped.

ok, and? are you assuming all players on easy mode would be trying that or something? so what if they do?

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i guess i just dont see the meaningful difference between selecting an option that says "easy mode" versus playing with summons, or with a tower shield build or something.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I like how you ran away from one topic because you had no point just to repeat the same strawman in a new topic.

I made this topic first. That's how I knew it sold 10 million. Nice try bumping this days later though.

ssjevot posted...

I don't think the games are actually that difficult. Basically anyone can beat them, you don't need crazy reflexes or anything like that, but it has a steep learning curve. There is a lot of trial and error, but it's like riding a bike, once you know how it's not that hard. I watched an old bed-ridden Japanese man beat Dark Souls. He can't get out of bed, but he could beat the game. That said it's not a game for everyone obviously. If you don't want to have to deal with the learning curve it won't be fun. But you can save yourself the money and just watch a Let's Play if you really don't want to try it. There are also a variety of things you can do in game to make it easier, but it's still going to involve a lot of trial and error no matter what.

Pretty much this. I mean if you die and regain your souls over and over your grinding. The game is assisting you with failure. Similar to stuff like when games give you more health and ammo when you're struggling.

Pythagorass posted...

i guess i just dont see the meaningful difference between selecting an option that says "easy mode" versus playing with summons, or with a tower shield build or something.

There isn't really. These people hear the game is difficult, know they don't like difficult games and whine they want an easy mode. I doubt they even really have any intention to play the game anyway.

There's always people who whine when a game isn't catered to them. Especially the more popular it is.

It reminds me so much of the people whining about timers in Dead Rising. They can make it optional they said. So they tried that with 3. Instead it just watered the entire experience down and pleased no one. Then they removed it in 4 and the game flopped. Those people crying about timers were nowhere to be seen.

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