Current Events > Tony is such a hypocrite in Civil War...

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Tony Stark: We have to be put in check. Whatever form that takes, Im game.

Also Tony Stark: brb lemme jus go recruit this 16 year old kid from Queens, fly him to Germany to beat up on a couple 90 year old dudes. No questions asked.

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#CapDidNothingWrong
#FreeFalcon

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im a winter soldier fanboy so i agree

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Does it matter if he was a hypocrite? At least he wasn't on the pro-fascism side.
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SwayM posted...

#CapDidNothingWrong
#FreeFalcon

yup. Tony fanboys just emotionally stunted people

It's not like it matters now.
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Everything matters.

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#TeamCap (from the comic book version of civil war)
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Does it matter if he was a hypocrite? At least he wasn't on the pro-fascism side.

How was Cap arguing for Fascism? Or do you not know what that word means

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Probably my favorite marvel movie.

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Caroniver posted...

How was Cap arguing for Fascism? Or do you not know what that word means

It's become a meaningless buzzword.

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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

It's not like it matters now.

Money has magically powers in comics

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I'm watching Winter Soldier

Your Iron Man thread got me in the mood to start grinding out some MCU again

I'm considering that Agent Carter series, I heard it's good

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Yazarogi posted...

im a winter soldier fanboy so i agree

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shnangyboos posted...

It's become a meaningless buzzword.

Like everything liberals and the mainstream media get their hands on.

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NeilDuckmann posted...

#TeamCap (from the comic book version of civil war)

Yes

Arguments can be made for Team Iron Man in the movie. But in the comics they were just plain obviously in the wrong.

Governments with unchecked power are the real problem. Pro-comic Cap.

What are the differences between comic civil war and the movie?

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The entire point of the movie and future movies was that Tony was wrong and a hypocrite
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Tony is the clearly wrong person even in the comic version

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SwayM posted...

What are the differences between comic civil war and the movie?

Pretty much everything is different.
They are 2 completely different stories.
Civil War (comic) >>>>>> Civil War (movie).

UnfairRepresent posted...

The entire point of the movie and future movies was that Tony was wrong and a hypocrite

lol. Classic UnfairRepresent.

LeadPipeCinche posted...

Pretty much everything is different.
They are 2 completely different stories.
Civil War (comic) >>>>>> Civil War (movie).

Ive heard many people say the movie is far better and have seen an absolute shit ton of hate for the comic.


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The comic and movie almost arent comparable, one is a massive event involving the vast majority of marvels active hero roster at the time and the other is basically a story about a schism in the avengers

for what its worth I think the comic has a lot more interesting stuff in it but I do like the movie too

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SwayM posted...

What are the differences between comic civil war and the movie?

In the comic book...

Tony Stark = Team Karen/gun control if superheroes were guns.

Cap = TeamGiveMeLibertyOrGiveMeDeath aka Team Fuck England aka Team Come and Take It
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In the comic the conflict was about whether or not super heroes should be allowed to keep secret identities. A new law gets passed that every super hero has to register with the federal government and let them know their real identity. It still gets kept from the average Joe but the government knows who every hero is

Also Tony ends up arresting a bunch of unregistered heroes and literally locks them up in a prison that is located in another dimension on some barren planet. He was cartoonishly wrong throughout the story.

Zikten posted...

In the comic the conflict was about whether or not super heroes should be allowed to keep secret identities. A new law gets passed that every super hero has to register with the federal government and let them know their real identity. It still gets kept from the average Joe but the government knows who every hero is

Also Tony ends up arresting a bunch of unregistered heroes and literally locks them up in a prison that is located in another dimension on some barren planet. He was cartoonishly wrong throughout the story.

I mean vigilantes are illegal in real life. Youd get thrown in prison for it. Playing devils advocate here as I'm team cap

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The point is that both Cap and Tony were hypocrites/being emotional.

Tony's always been about accountability since IM1, and his arc in Civil War was an extension of that, but he's also the guy who takes actions into his hands without consulting others all the time, like with Ultron and then with Peter.

While Cap's the "model soldier" who always goes against orders anyway because he thinks he knows better than whoever's above him, but his rationality is always getting compromised by his emotions, such as his overriding desire to protect Bucky in this instance.

At the end of the day, they both fall back to their base flaws and act selfishly in their own ways.

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The one thing I know about Iron Man in the comic book storyline is that he and a bunch of SHIELD agents attack the Runaways, a group of teenagers and kids, because they didn't register.

slmcknett posted...

While Cap's the "model soldier" who always goes against orders anyway because he thinks he knows better than whoever's above him, but his rationality is always getting compromised by his emotions, such as his overriding desire to protect Bucky in this instance.

How is that hypocritical?

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SwayM posted...

Ive heard many people say the movie is far better and have seen an absolute shit ton of hate for the comic.

That's because the people making the comic decided, "Hey, we've given our heroes shades of grey and moral ambiguity before, what if we went the extra mile and made some of our most famous and beloved characters into irredeemable monsters? And while we're at it we can subject the ones who don't become corrupt to horrible, sadistic torture?"

I think it does deal with some interesting issues but it is absolutely NO fun to read.

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pegusus123456 posted...

How is that hypocritical?

"/being emotional."

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slmcknett posted...

"/being emotional."

That explains nothing. You said, "Cap has always gone against orders and broken the rules thanks to his emotions, so he's being a hypocrite when he goes against orders and breaks the law because of his emotions."

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Zikten posted...

In the comic the conflict was about whether or not super heroes should be allowed to keep secret identities. A new law gets passed that every super hero has to register with the federal government and let them know their real identity. It still gets kept from the average Joe but the government knows who every hero is

Also Tony ends up arresting a bunch of unregistered heroes and literally locks them up in a prison that is located in another dimension on some barren planet. He was cartoonishly wrong throughout the story.

I haven't read the comics, but I do know that Spider-Man joins Tony's side on this one. I don't know if he chose to publicly join his side and announced his identity or if the whole "Only the gov knows who they are, it's not released" is wrong or if someone in government hated him, but Peter starts being hunted down. He pretty much has to go into hiding. Eventually, someone finds him and kills Aunt May.
Obviously, Peter's devastated by this. He realizes that forcing everyone to reveal their identities isn't good. He finds Tony, sticks him to the wall, and yells at him.
Then later he goes and talks to Mephisto and sacrifices his marriage with Mary Jane in order to get Aunt May back but that's all a separate thing.

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The Civil War movie was pretty much the pinnacle of the Marvel movies and they probably won't ever reach that level of excitement again. The comic was just a crappy crossover that was yet another hero vs hero excuse. The guy saying the comic was better likely doesn't even read comics and just assumed that's the consensus opinion.

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That's not what I said. I was just explaining how Cap thinks he's above others and ends up acting selfishly.

Tony is the hypocrite, while Steve is the emotional one.

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Caroniver posted...

I haven't read the comics, but I do know that Spider-Man joins Tony's side on this one. I don't know if he chose to publicly join his side and announced his identity or if the whole "Only the gov knows who they are, it's not released" is wrong or if someone in government hated him, but Peter starts being hunted down. He pretty much has to go into hiding. Eventually, someone finds him and kills Aunt May.
Obviously, Peter's devastated by this. He realizes that forcing everyone to reveal their identities isn't good. He finds Tony, sticks him to the wall, and yells at him.
Then later he goes and talks to Mephisto and sacrifices his marriage with Mary Jane in order to get Aunt May back but that's all a separate thing.

Yeah Peter reveals his secret identity and literally the thing he was worried about happening is the first thing to happen. After he yells at Tony he joins team Cap for a little while.

But honestly the comic is kind of bad. Everyone is so out of character and mindlessly angry at each other so that the story can happen, Tony basically starts a gulag and it really is only memorable for being such a big event and some of the big moments Like Cap dying.

Proto_Spark posted...

Yeah Peter reveals his secret identity and literally the thing he was worried about happening is the first thing to happen. After he yells at Tony he joins team Cap for a little while.

But honestly the comic is kind of bad. Everyone is so out of character and mindlessly angry at each other so that the story can happen, Tony basically starts a gulag and it really is only memorable for being such a big event and some of the big moments Like Cap dying.

It's been forever now, but wasn't it actually going and seeing the prison that causes Peter to change his mind and stand against Tony?

Worth noting that the "orders" Cap went against were literal Nazis.

The same guys Tony would have handed the world over on a silver platter if he trusted Big Government.
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