Current Events > What makes something full of "SJW nonsense"?

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What does that mean exactly? Putting the importance of a political message above that of the narrative of a story?

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ART = NO POLlTICS

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there's only two genders

male and political

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Doing anything that breaks from the norm. The only motivation for doing so is to push a far left agenda

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Generally the insertion of their own viewpoints for supposed progressive reasons and the denial of any legit criticism. The whole Mortal Kombat clothing thing is a good example of that. However petty of an argument it ultimately was, the justification was weak and nonsensical. There's similarly nonsensical backlash from the opposite spectrum, such as bitching because one character is gay.

nemu posted...

Generally the insertion of their own viewpoints

you've just described literally every piece of art made in the last few thousand years

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if a woman's breasts are covered

if a non-hetero character exists

if the PC is a woman who isnt drop dead gorgeous

if the multiplayer disregards "realism"

Doom_Art posted...

you've just described literally every piece of art made in the last few thousand years

You know there is a clear difference between the art being molded from the artist and a blatant, hamfisted clear as day agenda being pushed. That's especially true when it's an existing franchise.

Pythagorass posted...

if a woman's breasts are covered

Saudi Arabia is SJW?
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Most people crying about sjw nonsense are full of it. But MK11 is actually a clear cut example of Sjw nonsense.

-sexualization of women is evil but excess gore is good.

Its bullshit when people put messages into their art

Oatcakes posted...

Saudi Arabia is SJW?

Man I love Saudia Arabia: The Game

ayane225 posted...

Most people crying about sjw nonsense are full of it. But MK11 is actually a clear cut example of Sjw nonsense.

-sexualization of women is evil but excess gore is good.

Of course. You have to put this into context because apparently doa is a evil sexist series while MK is fine.

FlameTurtle posted...

Its bullshit when people put messages into their art

Doesnt art in general have some sort of message though? Regardless of if they try to put a message into it or not?

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ayane225 posted...

Of course. You have to put this into context because apparently doa is a evil sexist series while MK is fine.

Whyd you respond to yourself?

nemu posted...

You know there is a clear difference between the art being molded from the artist and a blatant, hamfisted clear as day agenda being pushed. That's especially true when it's an existing franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Heat_of_the_Night_(film)

over 40 years old and i'm pretty sure if this came out today people would have an absolute fucking meltdown

the issue here isn't whether or not something is hamfisted, the issue is "it's political in a way i disagree with", because it definitively states a position, something media has done for many, many decades.

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FlameTurtle posted...

Whyd you respond to yourself?

because I didnt write the full context.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

to clear up confusion like in this post.

ayane225 posted...

because I didnt write the full context.

why did you say "of course" to yourself

Lets also add that you should back up why you think what you do. Simply giving your answer obviously doesnt explain anything.

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nemu posted...

You know there is a clear difference between the art being molded from the artist and a blatant, hamfisted clear as day agenda being pushed.

"agenda being pushed" is a pretty stupid criticism when that's kinda the point of most forms of storytelling

no matter how complex or simplistic the story is, there's always a theme or at least a point the writer/creator is trying to get across to the audience.

if you've played/watched/read something and you don't have an idea on what they were trying to say then I'd say they've failed as a creator

now we can make an argument as to the quality of writing and the best ways to go about saying something through your work, but deriding something for "pushing an agenda" is stupid

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It's more about doing it badly than the subject matter itself.

Some comics examples would be how they just hand waved ice man being gay and then that became like his main defining characteristic.

Or the overuse of showing characters just eating and talking.

Or when writers blatantly reuse progressive designs like when Bendis moved to DC and copy pasted Riri William's for his Green Lantern character.

It's always been there but now its lazy

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if there's something in it that I don't like

Those new super heroes Safe space and Snowflake are pretty good examples.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Heat_of_the_Night_(film)

over 40 years old and i'm pretty sure if this came out today people would have an absolute fucking meltdown

the issue here isn't whether or not something is hamfisted, the issue is "it's political in a way i disagree with", because it definitively states a position, something media has done for many, many decades.

No, the case of Mortal Kombat is hamfisted because they had no legitimate reason for the change. They kept backpeddling over the justification. I think they ended on something to the tune of "Sexy ninjas in a dimension spanning fighting tournament wouldn't wear sexy outfits in a battle to the death full of half naked men and magic. That would just be unrealistic."

ChuckSDeuces posted...

Or the overuse of showing characters just eating and talking.

I don't know why this is an issue?

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also let it be known that even the simple statement of "slavery bad" and depicting a non-fiction book, 12 Years a Slave, prompted a hostile reaction among right wingers. This was before SJW was popularized as a term, but the accusations of it being a "white guilt" film indicate the wording would've been the same if it was released just 2 years later.

Point being: Anything with progressive messaging, even things that are not openly antagonistic towards the general public, are labeled as "SJW shit" based on the fact progressive messaging exists

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ChuckSDeuces posted...

Or the overuse of showing characters just eating and talking.

?

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Now someone is going to have to explain to me why doa is bad because the pixels are sexualized, but mk11 is fine even though actual developers got ptsd looking at real gore images on the internet.

nemu posted...

No, the case of Mortal Kombat is hamfisted because they had no legitimate reason for the change. They kept backpeddling over the justification. I think they ended on something to the tune of "Sexy ninjas in a dimension spanning fighting tournament wouldn't wear sexy outfits in a battle to the death full of half naked men and magic. That would just be unrealistic."

Mortal Kombat's executives or devs likely scaled back the sexuality in their games because they felt that made it more marketable because the goal of a company producing games is to make profit. Americans in particular have far less of an issue with violence than sex in media. This is not an "SJW" factoid, it's been true of older conservatives and was popularity a pet issue for both political parties in the United States in the 1980s and 1990s.

This is not SJWism infecting video games; it's corporations trying to expand their profits based on cultural standards in the biggest Western market. Shocker, I know, they care a lot about money lmao

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Any LGBT characters and anyone that isn't white at the forefront

Also easily ignored "censorship". You take away a neckbeard's ability to jack off to an in-game character's upskirt and they have nothing left

ayane225 posted...

Now someone is going to have to explain to me why doa is bad because the pixels are sexualized, but mk11 is fine even though actual developers got ptsd looking at real gore images on the internet.

hey brotha i asked you a question

boxington posted...

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talk bad explosions good YEEEHAWWwww

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are you a hairistotle alt? its just the way i talk dude.

ayane225 posted...

are you a hairistotle alt? its just the way i talk dude.

damn and you know who i am too, totally posting in good faith keep fighting that good fight brotha

off to ignkre

I've never played an MK game but there's been a decent pushback to the whole "sexualized armor/fighting gear" trope in visual media in the last few years

which personally i'm all for, but again I'm never played any of the games so Iunno

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Mortal Kombat's executives or devs likely scaled back the sexuality in their games because they felt that made it more marketable because the goal of a company producing games is to make profit. Americans in particular have far less of an issue with violence than sex in media. This is not an "SJW" factoid, it's been true of older conservatives and was popularity a pet issue for both political parties in the United States in the 1980s and 1990s.

This is not SJWism infecting video games; it's corporations trying to expand their profits based on cultural standards in the biggest Western market. Shocker, I know, they care a lot about money lmao

No, they did not. All they gave was this nonsensical justification. There was certainly zero backlash on characters being sexy in general, other than some maybe legit criticism that MKX went a bit too far the other way.

Youre not going to wear a bikini to a fight, Beran explained. Youre not going to be showing so much skin. I think its just what the game is about: youre going in to fight for your life, and youre not going to be wearing such scantily clad items.
Im sure that will disappoint some fans, continued Beran. We dont have bathing suit fighters, and I think thats fine. If people are disappointed, I dont regret making that change.

the greatest irony is that fighting game dev """censorship""" (or, voluntary decisions made in the interest of profit) would involve attacking the predatory capitalistic practices of publishers. this will never happen because neckbeards are also avid defenders of capitalism for some reason despite the system's lack of regulation causing multiple fuck ups a year in the game industry to no negative for the perpetrators

it's like crabs pulling each other into a bucket rofl

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nemu posted...

No, they did not. All they gave was this nonsensical justification. There was certainly zero backlash on characters being sexy in general, other than some maybe legit criticism that MKX went a bit too far the other way.

Youre not going to wear a bikini to a fight, Beran explained. Youre not going to be showing so much skin. I think its just what the game is about: youre going in to fight for your life, and youre not going to be wearing such scantily clad items.
Im sure that will disappoint some fans, continued Beran. We dont have bathing suit fighters, and I think thats fine. If people are disappointed, I dont regret making that change.

but making your broke employees looking up gore films is fine

Yeah honestly it's a crime I can't thump my pud to mortal kombat anymore

ayane225 posted...

but making your broke employees looking up gore films is fine

didn't some employees say that they were experiencing PTSD because of it?

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nemu posted...

Youre not going to wear a bikini to a fight, Beran explained. Youre not going to be showing so much skin. I think its just what the game is about: youre going in to fight for your life, and youre not going to be wearing such scantily clad items.
Im sure that will disappoint some fans, continued Beran. We dont have bathing suit fighters, and I think thats fine. If people are disappointed, I dont regret making that change.

again

haven't played any of em, and don't have much interest in doing so

but i don't see the problem with this

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Doom_Art posted...

again

haven't played any of em, and don't have much interest in doing so

but i don't see the problem with this

Well Liu Kang doesn't wear a shirt, you see

Therefore SJW double standards

There's nothing more SJW than having two characters talk to one another

Pythagorass posted...

Yeah honestly it's a crime I can't thump my pud to mortal kombat anymore

I don't know why people go to that argument. People don't like sweeping changes for the sake of virtue signaling. It's not that hard too see why that's bad. At the end of the day, it's a minor, inconsequential change that means nothing to the average player, but giving people free reign to make such changes is the issue.

nemu posted...

No, they did not. All they gave was this nonsensical justification. There was certainly zero backlash on characters being sexy in general, other than some maybe legit criticism that MKX went a bit too far the other way.

Youre not going to wear a bikini to a fight, Beran explained. Youre not going to be showing so much skin. I think its just what the game is about: youre going in to fight for your life, and youre not going to be wearing such scantily clad items.
Im sure that will disappoint some fans, continued Beran. We dont have bathing suit fighters, and I think thats fine. If people are disappointed, I dont regret making that change.

They gave a nonsensical justification because they can't just sit there and go

"Hey, our publishers told us we gotta cut the skin, because we need to sell this to women, and our publishers say women will be less likely to buy our product if they're all in ridiculous male-appealed outfits."

This is a non-issue regardless. Not a single tangible aspect about the game is impacted and MK isn't based on sex appeal. If that's people's primary interest we'd be talking about Dead or Alive instead, but as it stands, uh, SFM "fanart" exists with ripped models, why care? lol MK isn't high art

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nemu posted...

for the sake of virtue signaling

can you elaborate on what you think this is

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Not a single tangible aspect about the game is impacted and MK isn't based on sex appeal. If that's people's primary interest we'd be talking about Dead or Alive instead,

m8. the same people crying about excess skin in MK cry about excess skin in doa.

the violence is ok though