Current Events > Soul of Cinder has to be the best ending boss fight to any series ever

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Once you realize the design and lore of the fight, its just so fucking good. DS > DS3, but Soul of Cinder is literal perfection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io0zFbQqAUg

Did you fight Slave Knight Gael tho?
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Cheers buddy. Thats a good fight. I thought Gwyn was more epic but thats jmo. Love both games.

Hes.... very easy though.

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TooLateToGoBack posted...

Did you fight Slave Knight Gael tho?

This. The Ringed City is absolutely incredible and Gael is the perfect final boss for the series as a whole.

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I actually haven't played through Ringed City

Its subjectively impossible for this to be the best anything ever.


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OudeGeuze posted...

I actually haven't played through Ringed City

Oh you are in for a treat. Avoid spoilers.

I've got to agree.

OudeGeuze posted...

I actually haven't played through Ringed City

and you should, tbh.

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OudeGeuze posted...

I actually haven't played through Ringed City

Its absolutely fantastic. Avoid all spoilers as much as possible.

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TooLateToGoBack posted...

Did you fight Slave Knight Gael tho?

Yeah this fight and Sister Friede both top Soul of Cinder

Best fights in the series
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tbh I haven't played the DLC because DS3 turned me off for a variety of reasons but i suppose ill give them a shot

Can you explain the story behind the Soul of Cinder?

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OudeGeuze posted...

tbh I haven't played the DLC because DS3 turned me off for a variety of reasons but i suppose ill give them a shot

Lore wise they're some of the most important events, so you definitely need to
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Gael is the real final boss of the dark souls series

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I prefer OG Gwyn's fight, imo.

3 was just too full of 'Hey, Player! Remember THIS from Dark Souls 1? Yeah, we screwed up with 2, so we ain't even gonna reference that shit in this game, so here's more copy-pasted stuff from 1 without any thoughtful explanations.' moments.

If 3 had more semblance of its own identity, then it would've been the game of that generation, but that title is reserved to Bloodborne.

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I like the Great Graywolf Sif
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Rehash bosses are always the worst
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The balance of the different forms in his first phase was kind of inconsistent. The sorcerer form is a joke and the scimitar form is basically just a waiting game until he changes to something else you can actually attack.
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Gael is the best lore-and-gameplay wise, easily. Maybe the best fight period in the series

Gehrman is very close lore-wise though

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Vicious_Dios posted...

I prefer OG Gwyn's fight, imo.

3 was just too full of 'Hey, Player! Remember THIS from Dark Souls 1? Yeah, we screwed up with 2, so we ain't even gonna reference that shit in this game, so here's more copy-pasted stuff from 1 without any thoughtful explanations.' moments.

If 3 had more semblance of its own identity, then it would've been the game of that generation, but that title is reserved to Bloodborne.

Heh, i kinda agree, but i like Ds3 way more than Bloodborne for the PvP and other reasons. When i saw Anor Londo again i thought 'whatever'. Its a decent area and ive killed many players there but unique locations like the Irithyll Dungeon were better. For a playthrough, Bloodborne was really good. I beat it twice but never grinded the Chalices because i hate farming.

Vicious_Dios posted...

I prefer OG Gwyn's fight, imo.

3 was just too full of 'Hey, Player! Remember THIS from Dark Souls 1? Yeah, we screwed up with 2, so we ain't even gonna reference that shit in this game, so here's more copy-pasted stuff from 1 without any thoughtful explanations.' moments.

If 3 had more semblance of its own identity, then it would've been the game of that generation, but that title is reserved to Bloodborne.

I agree. 3 has some really amazing things. The Twin Princes Bose fight is absolutely amazing and both DLCs are incredible, but it definitely panders way too much to Dark Souls 1.

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I disagree that Dark Souls 3 panders too much to the Dark Souls fans, or whatever people say; it's a sequel, and it gets unfairly criticized for being one.

it might take some locations, gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, etc. from its predecessors, but it definitely builds on those elements.


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I didnt even realize Gwens theme started paying during the second half I was too in the zone.

boxington posted...

I disagree that Dark Souls 3 panders too much to the Dark Souls fans, or whatever people say; it's a sequel, and it gets unfairly criticized for being one.

it might take some locations, gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, etc. from its predecessors, but it definitely builds on those elements.

It's hilarious considering

1. How much Dark Souls ripped off from Demons Souls.

2. Ornstein flat out returns as as boss in DS2 and no one cared

It's just a hipster thing

"Oh now the series is popular the characters totally sold out by having minor lore friendly references in the background if you look out for them!"

utter nonsense
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yea, I feel like, if you don't like Dark Souls 3 (or any other entry in the series), that's one thing, but criticism should at least be consistent.


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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's hilarious considering

1. How much Dark Souls ripped off from Demons Souls.

2. Ornstein flat out returns as as boss in DS2 and no one cared

It's just a hipster thing

"Oh now the series is popular the characters totally sold out by having minor lore friendly references in the background if you look out for them!"

utter nonsense

to be fair you never actually fight ornstein in DS1 and old dragonslayer isnt ornstein either

OudeGeuze posted...

to be fair you never actually fight ornstein in DS1

Pardon?

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^ iirc, *Dark Souls 1 & 3 spoilers* he's an illusion, or something like that, and he actually traveled to find Gwyn's son, The Nameless King, and that's why you find his armor in Arch Dragon Peak

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King Rial posted...

Pardon?

DS3 basically states Ornstein was an illusion and only Smough was physically there

Raziel and Kains fights stick out more in my mind tbh.

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Okay, I looked this up and it's just a fan theory. No offense, but I put zero stock in them. Even ones I agree sound "right".

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King Rial posted...

Okay, I looked this up and it's just a fan theory. No offense, but I put zero stock in them. Even ones I agree sound "right".

His armor set straight up says he left the cathedral to find the nameless king.We couldn't have killed him in DS1 for that to be true.

Smough's set also says he was the last one left to defend the cathedral

King Rial posted...

Pardon?

It's an illusion
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And in DS1 you get his Soul when you beat him.

In reality, DS doesn't always add up, but it is fun for many to theorize what exactly things mean.

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King Rial posted...

And in DS1 you get his Soul when you beat him.

In reality, DS doesn't always add up, but it is fun for many to theorize what exactly things mean.

Getting someone's soul doesn't mean much. Gwyn gave parts of his soul to multiple people without dying.

boxington posted...

I disagree that Dark Souls 3 panders too much to the Dark Souls fans, or whatever people say; it's a sequel, and it gets unfairly criticized for being one.

it might take some locations, gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, etc. from its predecessors, but it definitely builds on those elements.

Its mostly that instead of being a proper sequel it mostly does its own thing but then goes HAY LOOK DARK SOULS 1!!!! And also completely ignores Dark Souls 2 almost entirely. There is also a lot of cut content and dead ends in lore that hint to a better game set entirely in Lothric.

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OudeGeuze posted...

Getting someone's soul doesn't mean much. Gwyn gave parts of his soul to multiple people without dying.

When you think about it, how come anyone has more than one soul? the bosses have thousands
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^ like what are you referring to when you say, hey look, Dark Souls 1?

also, it does have some stuff from Dark Souls 2 - Creighton, armor, weapons, and stuff like that, and iirc, there are *Ringed City DLC spoilers* the Earthen Peak Ruins

edit: at post 38

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^ Don't forget the ladder guy whose name I forget

You find his corpse.
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oh yea, I remember reading something like that, but I don't think I've ever found him myself

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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's hilarious considering

1. How much Dark Souls ripped off from Demons Souls.

By that logic you could say Demon's Souls ALSO ripped off King's Field series as well as Shadow Tower.

However with Dark Souls, they had to, due to Sony owning the rights to the Demon's Souls brand. Dark Souls was developed with being distributed across multiple consoles in mind, so its served as a spiritual successor and thus payed homage to it.

2. Ornstein flat out returns as as boss in DS2 and no one cared

You weren't around when a lot fans were disappointed with the appearance of "Not Ornstein' during release week. That's certainly more than 'no one'.

It's just a hipster thing

"Oh now the series is popular the characters totally sold out by having minor lore friendly references in the background if you look out for them!"

The problem with 2 was that it was too vague in its descriptions, creating new and unneeded inconsistencies and stamped that shit as 'LORE', whereas in 3 it was too blatant with the throwbacks and diluted its own identity in the process.

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TooLateToGoBack posted...

Did you fight Slave Knight Gael tho?

When do you fight this guy?

Stole my cloudsong. I got lazy on the last boss of the first DLC and used him

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Nah soul of cinder is garbage

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Couldn't ornstein have left after fighting you with smough?

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Ivory King is best boss fight in the series.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

it was too blatant with the throwbacks and diluted its own identity in the process.

This doesn't mean anything

It's just hipster drivel.

"A cute sublte background reference means you diluted your own identity!" is just like when conservatives say "Gays don't deserve equal rights because it devalues the fabric and cohesion of our society."

Honeyed rhetoric but you're not actually saying a damn thing. Just trying to feel superior.
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