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Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 2:38:53 AM #51:	UnfairRepresent posted... He literally claimed he just grabs their pussy and kisses them. Says "I don't even wait" and "It's automatic." That doesn't imply sexual assault. It's only assault if they don't give consent to it, and nothing Trump said implies lack of consent. A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. There's no proving the women didn't consent from Trump's words alone. Don't get me wrong, I believe Trump has assaulted women, but his words here are open to interpretation. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938746413] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>He literally claimed he just grabs their pussy and kisses them. Says "I don't even wait" and "It's automatic."</quote> That doesn't imply sexual assault. It's only assault if they don't give consent to it, and nothing Trump said implies lack of consent. A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. There's no proving the women didn't consent from Trump's words alone. Don't get me wrong, I believe Trump has assaulted women, but his words here are open to interpretation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 2:43:50 AM #52:	Scotty_Rogers posted... That doesn't imply sexual assault. Yes it does? Scotty_Rogers posted... It's only assault if they don't give consent to it, and nothing Trump said implies lack of consent. "I don't even wait" and "It's automatic." "They just let you" All of these ignore consent dude. Scotty_Rogers posted... A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. There's no proving the women didn't consent from Trump's words alone. I agree that there is no proof the events actually occured from the words alone. But the words are still bragging about sexual assault and it's sickening that you're pretending you don't comprehend that. Scotty_Rogers posted... Don't get me wrong, I believe Trump has assaulted women No you don't. You're even more of a bad faith poster than that shagaloo guy --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938746547] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> That doesn't imply sexual assault.</quote> Yes it does? Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>It's only assault if they don't give consent to it, and nothing Trump said implies lack of consent.</quote> "I don't even wait" and "It's automatic." "They just let you" All of these ignore consent dude. Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. There's no proving the women didn't consent from Trump's words alone.</quote> I agree that there is no proof the events actually occured from the words alone. But the words are still bragging about sexual assault and it's sickening that you're pretending you don't comprehend that. Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> Don't get me wrong, I believe Trump has assaulted women</quote> No you don't. You're even more of a bad faith poster than that shagaloo guy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 05/07/20 2:49:59 AM #53:	The politics behind sexual assault accusations unfortunately make it a very effective way to poison a political candidate since we don't really have a good system for handling them. There's rarely a way to prove it without direct evidence or multiple witnesses, so it devolves into a character trial between people who think all women are liars and people who think women never lie. And the noise drowns out everything else. In Joe's case, the timing was very opportunistic. So even if there's even a kernel of truth to it, there's a reason we're only hearing about it now. Given Reade's political ties, there's a lot of room for skepticism. But it's also hard to believe that she'd throw herself to the wolves based on a lie. --- ultimate milf hunter https://imgur.com/lCEdce6 https://imgur.com/2N1Ezia https://imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:938746728] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>The politics behind sexual assault accusations unfortunately make it a very effective way to poison a political candidate since we don't really have a good system for handling them. There's rarely a way to prove it without direct evidence or multiple witnesses, so it devolves into a character trial between people who think all women are liars and people who think women never lie. And the noise drowns out everything else. In Joe's case, the timing was very opportunistic. So even if there's even a kernel of truth to it, there's a reason we're only hearing about it now. Given Reade's political ties, there's a lot of room for skepticism. But it's also hard to believe that she'd throw herself to the wolves based on a lie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pfh1001 05/07/20 3:53:41 AM #54:	dj1200 posted... It was brought up at a very convenient time, Ill say that. I mean he was VP for 8 years and the me too movement was in its heyday and we didnt hear anything. Me too didn't start until Fall 2017, after Biden had left office, so no it wasn't during its heyday while he was still VP. <cite>pfh1001 posted [p:938748291] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>dj1200 posted...</cite> <quote>It was brought up at a very convenient time, Ill say that. I mean he was VP for 8 years and the me too movement was in its heyday and we didnt hear anything. </quote> Me too didn't start until Fall 2017, after Biden had left office, so no it wasn't during its heyday while he was still VP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noraneko_Vel 05/07/20 4:47:33 AM #55:	Biden is super creepy with children in public. Yeah, the stuff he does on TV is already enough to get him sued for sexual harassment. UnfairRepresent posted... It's immensely rare for women to lie about sexual assault allegations. hahaha, what the fuck --- Currently playing: Phoenix Wright Spirit of Justice <cite>Noraneko_Vel posted [p:938749384] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Biden is super creepy with children in public. Yeah, the stuff he does on TV is already enough to get him sued for sexual harassment. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It's immensely rare for women to lie about sexual assault allegations.</quote> hahaha, what the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/07/20 4:48:59 AM #56:	He's definitely touched a woman or two inappropriately in his lifetime. We already his weird child sniffing on tape. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:938749413] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>He's definitely touched a woman or two inappropriately in his lifetime. We already his weird child sniffing on tape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 4:50:10 AM #57:	Noraneko_Vel posted... hahaha, what the fuck It's true. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938749432] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> hahaha, what the fuck </quote> It's true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 4:51:34 AM #58:	UnfairRepresent posted... All of these ignore consent dude. A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman could grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. Look at you cover your ears. Unless the women didn't want or enjoy what Trump did, it's not assault. That can't be determined from what Trump said, so ambigious. "I don't even wait" If someone doesn't even wait to make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? "It's automatic" If someone automatically makes a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? "They let you do it" If you let someone make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? The answer to all of these questions is that it depends on whether or not you approved of it. Just because someone doesn't check for your approval before doing something doesn't mean they're assaulting you. It's only assault if you disapprove of it, and there is no way of knowing if the women disapproved of it. To make a move on someone without checking for consent is definitely a risk, and in many cases, it's assault. But in other cases, it's consensual when the person on the receiving end approves of it. I've seen dudes grope or spank chicks without asking for consent, and the chicks often enjoy it and ask for more. That's not assault. We don't know if the women Trump mentioned liked it. Therefore, ambigious. UnfairRepresent posted... No you don't. @UnfairRepresent I do. But what Trump said is objectively open to interpretation. You know what I'm objectively right. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938749462] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>All of these ignore consent dude.</quote> A person could grab a woman's vagina and start kissing them without even asking, just as a woman could grab a man's penis and start sucking it without even asking. If the person on the receiving end wants it and enjoys it, it's not assault. Look at you cover your ears. Unless the women didn't want or enjoy what Trump did, it's not assault. That can't be determined from what Trump said, so ambigious. "I don't even wait" If someone doesn't even wait to make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? "It's automatic" If someone automatically makes a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? "They let you do it" If you let someone make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? The answer to all of these questions is that it depends on whether or not you approved of it. Just because someone doesn't check for your approval before doing something doesn't mean they're assaulting you. It's only assault if you disapprove of it, and there is no way of knowing if the women disapproved of it. To make a move on someone without checking for consent is definitely a risk, and in many cases, it's assault. But in other cases, it's consensual when the person on the receiving end approves of it. I've seen dudes grope or spank chicks without asking for consent, and the chicks often enjoy it and ask for more. That's not assault. We don't know if the women Trump mentioned liked it. Therefore, ambigious. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>No you don't.</quote> @UnfairRepresent I do. But what Trump said is objectively open to interpretation. You know what I'm objectively right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noraneko_Vel 05/07/20 4:51:50 AM #59:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's true. It's absolutely false. Maybe I'd believe it if you say it's rare. But no way in hell is it "immensely rare". There are scumbags in every group of people. So yeah, there are definitely a lot of women falsely accusing men of rape because they get benefits from it and judges are way more likely to call men guilty. --- Currently playing: Phoenix Wright Spirit of Justice <cite>Noraneko_Vel posted [p:938749466] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It's true.</quote> It's absolutely false. Maybe I'd believe it if you say it's rare. But no way in hell is it "immensely rare". There are scumbags in every group of people. So yeah, there are definitely a lot of women falsely accusing men of rape because they get benefits from it and judges are way more likely to call men guilty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 4:59:50 AM #60:	Noraneko_Vel posted... It's absolutely false. Maybe I'd believe it if you say it's rare. But no way in hell is it "immensely rare". Research says in the developed world approx 95% of sexual assaults are not reported to police. of those sexual assaults that are investigated by police, only approx 5% turn out to be false. And a lot of those are boarderline (The Central Park 5 for example is a false rape accusation, but the woman was raped. Just not by those 5 people) That means that being generous the odds of a sexual assault being false is 0.0025% And that's ignoring that a ton of those 5% reported too police are not investigated. In what world is that not extremely rare? You might hear ancedoteal stories from people who got fucked over by false claims online but 1. A lot of them are probably not true (ironically). 2. That doesn't mean they aren't rare --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938749630] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> It's absolutely false. Maybe I'd believe it if you say it's rare. But no way in hell is it "immensely rare". </quote> Research says in the developed world approx 95% of sexual assaults are not reported to police. of those sexual assaults that are investigated by police, only approx 5% turn out to be false. And a lot of those are boarderline (The Central Park 5 for example is a false rape accusation, but the woman was raped. Just not by those 5 people) That means that being generous the odds of a sexual assault being false is 0.0025% And that's ignoring that a ton of those 5% reported too police are not investigated. In what world is that not extremely rare? You might hear ancedoteal stories from people who got fucked over by false claims online but 1. A lot of them are probably not true (ironically). 2. That doesn't mean they aren't rare</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MwarriorHiei 05/07/20 5:04:08 AM #61:	Scotty_Rogers posted... "They let you do it" If you let someone make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? The answer to all of these questions is that it depends on whether or not you approved of it. Just because someone doesn't check for your approval before doing something doesn't mean they're assaulting you. It's only assault if you disapprove of it, and there is no way of knowing if the women disapproved of it. the reason it is sexual assault is because trump comes from a position of power. dude is rich and famous so they HAVE to let him do it or he can potentially fuck them over. its exactly the reason why louis c.k. was MeToo'd. all the women let him masturbate in front of them. that doesnt make what he did any less fucked up. --- https://imgur.com/QkFxs3C <cite>MwarriorHiei posted [p:938749719] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>"They let you do it" If you let someone make a move on you, does that mean they sexually assaulted you? The answer to all of these questions is that it depends on whether or not you approved of it. Just because someone doesn't check for your approval before doing something doesn't mean they're assaulting you. It's only assault if you disapprove of it, and there is no way of knowing if the women disapproved of it. </quote> the reason it is sexual assault is because trump comes from a position of power. dude is rich and famous so they HAVE to let him do it or he can potentially fuck them over. its exactly the reason why louis c.k. was MeToo'd. all the women let him masturbate in front of them. that doesnt make what he did any less fucked up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:06:43 AM #62:	MwarriorHiei posted... the reason it is sexual assault is because trump comes from a position of power. Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent? Faulty logic. Plenty of people, regular and powerful alike, make moves on others without asking for consent. It's not automatically assault when it's a powerful person making a move. If the person on the receiving end approves of it, it's not assault. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938749772] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>MwarriorHiei posted... </cite> <quote>the reason it is sexual assault is because trump comes from a position of power.</quote> Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent? Faulty logic. Plenty of people, regular and powerful alike, make moves on others without asking for consent. It's not automatically assault when it's a powerful person making a move. If the person on the receiving end approves of it, it's not assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:10:47 AM #63:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent? Whether they hypothetically "enjoy it" or not (wtf dude?) it's still sexual assault. Also note how you've replaced "suddenly grabbed their gentials and kiss them" with "make a move" Because even you know what you're saying is bullshit. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938749851] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent?</quote> Whether they hypothetically "enjoy it" or not (wtf dude?) it's still sexual assault. Also note how you've replaced "suddenly grabbed their gentials and kiss them" with "make a move" Because even you know what you're saying is bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MwarriorHiei 05/07/20 5:12:23 AM #64:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent? Faulty logic. Plenty of people, regular and powerful alike, make moves on others without asking for consent. It's not automatically assault when it's a powerful person making a move. If the person on the receiving end enjoys it, it's not assault. even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no. --- https://imgur.com/QkFxs3C <cite>MwarriorHiei posted [p:938749891] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> Because people never enjoy it when a powerful dude makes a move on them without asking for consent? Faulty logic. Plenty of people, regular and powerful alike, make moves on others without asking for consent. It's not automatically assault when it's a powerful person making a move. If the person on the receiving end enjoys it, it's not assault. </quote> even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:14:34 AM #65:	MwarriorHiei posted... even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no. It's even worse than that Trump is bragging that he does it before they say anything. He just sexually assaults them because he "can't help himself." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938749934] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>MwarriorHiei posted...</cite> <quote> even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no.</quote> It's even worse than that Trump is bragging that he does it before they say anything. He just sexually assaults them because he "can't help himself."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:16:39 AM #66:	UnfairRepresent posted... Whether they hypothetically "enjoy it" or not (wtf dude?) it's still sexual assault. It's only sexual assault if it's unwanted. UnfairRepresent posted... Also note how you've replaced "suddenly grabbed their gentials and kiss them" with "make a move" I was speaking in general. But suddenly grabbing a person's genitals isn't sexual assault if the person being grabbed approves of it. A guy can suddenly start grabbing a girl's tits; if the girl likes it and wants more, not assault. A girl can suddenly start grabbing a guy's dick; if the guy likes it and wants more, not assault. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938749971] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> Whether they hypothetically "enjoy it" or not (wtf dude?) it's still sexual assault.</quote> It's only sexual assault if it's unwanted. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Also note how you've replaced "suddenly grabbed their gentials and kiss them" with "make a move"</quote> I was speaking in general. But suddenly grabbing a person's genitals isn't sexual assault if the person being grabbed approves of it. A guy can suddenly start grabbing a girl's tits; if the girl likes it and wants more, not assault. A girl can suddenly start grabbing a guy's dick; if the guy likes it and wants more, not assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:20:37 AM #67:	UnfairRepresent posted... Trump is bragging that he does it before they say anything. And that still isn't necessarily assault at all. Surprise sexual acts don't automatically mean assault. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938750045] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Trump is bragging that he does it before they say anything.</quote> And that still isn't necessarily assault at all. Surprise sexual acts don't automatically mean assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:22:40 AM #68:	Scotty_Rogers posted... But suddenly grabbing a person's genitals isn't sexual assault A guy can suddenly start grabbing a girl's tits; if the girl likes it and wants more, not assault. A girl can suddenly start grabbing a guy's dick; if the guy likes it and wants more, not assault. Surprise sexual acts don't automatically mean assault. Da fuck This is ridiclous. Yes that's all sexual assault. You can't just run up to people and grope them and then claim it's not sexual assault because they might enjoy it. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750084] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>But suddenly grabbing a person's genitals isn't sexual assault A guy can suddenly start grabbing a girl's tits; if the girl likes it and wants more, not assault. A girl can suddenly start grabbing a guy's dick; if the guy likes it and wants more, not assault. Surprise sexual acts don't automatically mean assault.</quote> Da fuck This is ridiclous. Yes that's all sexual assault. You can't just run up to people and grope them and then claim it's not sexual assault because they might enjoy it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:24:14 AM #69:	MwarriorHiei posted... even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no. You're right. From Trump's words alone, he doesn't care whether or not they consent to it. But we still have no way of truly knowing if they do. That's my point. If you want to prove Trump assaults women, his statement can't be used as an admission. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938750109] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>MwarriorHiei posted... </cite> <quote>even so, the potential for sexual misconduct cannot be overstated. trump isnt bragging that he can do that stuff because he is desirable. he is bragging that he can do that shit because he has power over them. its not that the women are saying yes, its that they cant say no.</quote> You're right. From Trump's words alone, he doesn't care whether or not they consent to it. But we still have no way of truly knowing if they do. That's my point. If you want to prove Trump assaults women, his statement can't be used as an admission. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 05/07/20 5:24:42 AM #70:	Even if it was true, he'd forget that he had done it and would pass the lie detector test anyway. Straight savage. --- Maketh thy Countries Greateth Again don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:938750119] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Even if it was true, he'd forget that he had done it and would pass the lie detector test anyway. Straight savage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:25:40 AM #71:	Scotty_Rogers posted... You're right. From Trump's words alone, he doesn't care whether or not they consent to it. But we still have no way of truly knowing if they do. That's my point. If you want to prove Trump assaults women, his statement can't be used as an admission. Yes you can't say Trump physically sexually assaults women just becaue he boasts about doing it. but you can say he boasts about sexually assaulting women. Which is why you started off denying. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750143] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> You're right. From Trump's words alone, he doesn't care whether or not they consent to it. But we still have no way of truly knowing if they do. That's my point. If you want to prove Trump assaults women, his statement can't be used as an admission. </quote> Yes you can't say Trump physically sexually assaults women just becaue he boasts about doing it. but you can say he boasts about sexually assaulting women. Which is why you started off denying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:26:47 AM #72:	UnfairRepresent posted... Da fuck This is ridiclous. Yes that's all sexual assault. No, it's not. Sexual acts don't become assault just because you don't ask for approval first. That's only up to the person receiving it. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938750160] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Da fuck This is ridiclous. Yes that's all sexual assault.</quote> No, it's not. Sexual acts don't become assault just because you don't ask for approval first. That's only up to the person receiving it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:28:25 AM #73:	Scotty_Rogers posted... . Sexual acts don't become assault just because you don't ask for approval first. Yes they do. United States Department of Justice; sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Why are you lying about this? it's fucking grotesque. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750197] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>. Sexual acts don't become assault just because you don't ask for approval first. </quote> Yes they do. United States Department of Justice; sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Why are you lying about this? it's fucking grotesque.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:28:53 AM #74:	UnfairRepresent posted... but you can say he boasts about sexually assaulting women. No, because he said nothing about whether or not the women approved of what he did. He boasted about doing things without asking for approval. That is not necessarily sexual assault. You don't actually know what sexual assault is. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938750207] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>but you can say he boasts about sexually assaulting women.</quote> No, because he said nothing about whether or not the women approved of what he did. He boasted about doing things without asking for approval. That is not necessarily sexual assault. You don't actually know what sexual assault is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:29:42 AM #75:	Scotty_Rogers posted... No, because he said nothing about whether or not the women approved of what he did. He boasted about doing things without asking for approval. Exactly. Scotty_Rogers posted... That is not necessarily sexual assault. You don't actually know what sexual assault is. This is such a fucked up thing to troll about dude What the fuck --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750225] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> No, because he said nothing about whether or not the women approved of what he did. He boasted about doing things without asking for approval. </quote> Exactly. Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> That is not necessarily sexual assault. You don't actually know what sexual assault is.</quote> This is such a fucked up thing to troll about dude What the fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 5:30:24 AM #76:	UnfairRepresent posted... Yes they do. United States Department of Justice; sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior *that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient.* And someone can "explicitly consent" to something you do without you asking for permission first. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938750239] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yes they do. United States Department of Justice; sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. </quote> And someone can "explicitly consent" to something you do without you asking for permission first. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noraneko_Vel 05/07/20 5:36:11 AM #77:	UnfairRepresent posted... Research says in the developed world approx 95% of sexual assaults are not reported to police. What kinds? Including insignificant or accidental stuff? Or penetration? Is it real assault, i.e. did they count questionable cases within married couples? What about cases that were kept silent because both parties had a peaceful agreement? Is that research actually valid or was it strongly biased for the sake of pushing feminism? UnfairRepresent posted... only approx 5% turn out to be false Were all of those 95% guilty verdicts really valid? What if some of those were successful scam attempts, because women have a big advantage in cases like these? What if some of those were consensual but then it escalated into an argument and the victim claimed rape? I'm not saying women shouldn't be trusted, majority of those are likely real cases of rape, but stop blindly trusting random statistics. They can very, very easily be skewed, especially when there's a blatant anti-men thing going on right now. --- Currently playing: Phoenix Wright Spirit of Justice <cite>Noraneko_Vel posted [p:938750333] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Research says in the developed world approx 95% of sexual assaults are not reported to police.</quote> What kinds? Including insignificant or accidental stuff? Or penetration? Is it real assault, i.e. did they count questionable cases within married couples? What about cases that were kept silent because both parties had a peaceful agreement? Is that research actually valid or was it strongly biased for the sake of pushing feminism? UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>only approx 5% turn out to be false</quote> Were all of those 95% guilty verdicts really valid? What if some of those were successful scam attempts, because women have a big advantage in cases like these? What if some of those were consensual but then it escalated into an argument and the victim claimed rape? I'm not saying women shouldn't be trusted, majority of those are likely real cases of rape, but stop blindly trusting random statistics. They can very, very easily be skewed, especially when there's a blatant anti-men thing going on right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI11AK 05/07/20 5:37:12 AM #78:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's immensely rare for women to lie about sexual assault allegations. Lmao --- Society is getting far too sensitive. I don't want the risk of offending someone. So if I can offend you.......i will. <cite>KI11AK posted [p:938750347] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It's immensely rare for women to lie about sexual assault allegations.</quote> Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 5:43:16 AM #79:	Scotty_Rogers posted... And someone can "explicitly consent" to something you do without you asking for permission first. Not if you just walk up to them and grope or kiss them. You just said he bragged about doing it without approval. In your own words. You're arguing with yourself... It's fucking stupid. They haven't consented to shit. Noraneko_Vel posted... What kinds? Including insignificant or accidental stuff? Or penetration? Is it real assault, i.e. did they count questionable cases within married couples? What about cases that were kept silent because both parties had a peaceful agreement? Da fuck. Yes married couples counted. I don't even know what "Insignifcant stuff" means. Is that research actually valid or was it strongly biased for the sake of pushing feminism? I don't even know what this question means Noraneko_Vel posted... Were all of those 95% guilty verdicts really valid? What if some of those were successful scam attempts, because women have a big advantage in cases like these? What if some of those were consensual but then it escalated into an argument and the victim claimed rape? I'm not saying women shouldn't be trusted, majority of those are likely real cases of rape, but stop blindly trusting random statistics. They can very, very easily be skewed, especially when there's a blatant anti-men thing going on right now. This argument is circular and you know it. "You can't trust the statistics because the liars just got away with it!" If the statistics said most acusations were false you would be screaming it from the fucking rooftops. Not going "Well the accusations might be true and the police just fucked up." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750450] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> And someone can "explicitly consent" to something you do without you asking for permission first. </quote> Not if you just walk up to them and grope or kiss them. You just said he bragged about doing it without approval. In your own words. You're arguing with yourself... It's fucking stupid. They haven't consented to shit. Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> What kinds? Including insignificant or accidental stuff? Or penetration? Is it real assault, i.e. did they count questionable cases within married couples? What about cases that were kept silent because both parties had a peaceful agreement?</quote> Da fuck. Yes married couples counted. I don't even know what "Insignifcant stuff" means. <quote>Is that research actually valid or was it strongly biased for the sake of pushing feminism? </quote> I don't even know what this question means Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> Were all of those 95% guilty verdicts really valid? What if some of those were successful scam attempts, because women have a big advantage in cases like these? What if some of those were consensual but then it escalated into an argument and the victim claimed rape? I'm not saying women shouldn't be trusted, majority of those are likely real cases of rape, but stop blindly trusting random statistics. They can very, very easily be skewed, especially when there's a blatant anti-men thing going on right now.</quote> This argument is circular and you know it. "You can't trust the statistics because the liars just got away with it!" If the statistics said most acusations were false you would be screaming it from the fucking rooftops. Not going "Well the accusations might be true and the police just fucked up."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noraneko_Vel 05/07/20 6:02:14 AM #80:	UnfairRepresent posted... If the statistics said most acusations were false you would be screaming it from the fucking rooftops. Not going "Well the accusations might be true and the police just fucked up." No, I'd call bullshit on any statistic that says 95% of all rape accusations are false, too. UnfairRepresent posted... Yes married couples counted. So then a lot of cases that weren't rape were counted then? UnfairRepresent posted... I don't even know what "Insignifcant stuff" means. Any stuff that shouldn't be part of this. Read the question again. UnfairRepresent posted... I don't even know what this question means It means if you for example said you were the one who gathered the statistics from people yourself, I wouldn't trust them because you're very biased. I don't know where you got them from, but if the person gathering data isn't neutral and professional about it, the results will be wrong. . As for that other arguement going on in this topic...if there's consent (regardless of whether it happens before, after or silently), it's not sexual assault. --- Currently playing: Phoenix Wright Spirit of Justice <cite>Noraneko_Vel posted [p:938750761] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>If the statistics said most acusations were false you would be screaming it from the fucking rooftops. Not going "Well the accusations might be true and the police just fucked up."</quote> No, I'd call bullshit on any statistic that says 95% of all rape accusations are false, too. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yes married couples counted.</quote> So then a lot of cases that weren't rape were counted then? UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't even know what "Insignifcant stuff" means.</quote> Any stuff that shouldn't be part of this. Read the question again. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't even know what this question means</quote> It means if you for example said you were the one who gathered the statistics from people yourself, I wouldn't trust them because you're very biased. I don't know where you got them from, but if the person gathering data isn't neutral and professional about it, the results will be wrong. . As for that other arguement going on in this topic...if there's consent (regardless of whether it happens before, after or silently), it's not sexual assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/07/20 6:10:56 AM #81:	Noraneko_Vel posted... So then a lot of cases that weren't rape were counted then? Please tell me we're on different wavelengths here and you didn't just say it's not rape if a married man rapes their wife? Noraneko_Vel posted... No, I'd call bullshit on any statistic that says 95% of all rape accusations are false, too. Good. But the one that says 95% are true is legit. I don't think you realize how difficult it is for a woman to come forward with this shit. Not only is it personal, you get treated like a whore or a liar by people just for being a victim and everyone judges you Shit is scary. Most women don't come forward. That's why it's so common. Noraneko_Vel posted... Any stuff that shouldn't be part of this. ... such as? Noraneko_Vel posted... It means if you for example said you were the one who gathered the statistics from people yourself, I wouldn't trust them because you're very biased. I don't know where you got them from, but if the person gathering data isn't neutral and professional about it, the results will be wrong. . It's a meta-analysis. You get the research from all the government and police and health bodies from all the organized nations and put it together to get board data. About 90/95% of rapes are estimated as unreported. About 60/65% of non rape sexual assaults are unreported. Then (in the US) research into police investigations of rape found that only 5% are false. The response of "Well more lied they just got away with it" is baseless and circular. I feel like you're arguing for the sake of it here The point is if a woman (or a man for that matter) stands up in public and says "I was raped/sexually assaulted by X" odds are overwhelming that it's true from the outset. It's a rare thing to lie about. Noraneko_Vel posted... As for that other arguement going on in this topic...if there's consent (regardless of whether it happens before, after or silently), it's not sexual assault. Yes it is You can't run up to someone, grope them, kiss them and then go it's not sexual assault because you found out after the fact that they were okay with it. You didn't have consent when you did it. You have no idea if they were okay with it and did it anyway. It's grotesque that you're defending that. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but I'm not doing that anymore. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938750940] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> So then a lot of cases that weren't rape were counted then?</quote> Please tell me we're on different wavelengths here and you didn't just say it's not rape if a married man rapes their wife? Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> No, I'd call bullshit on any statistic that says 95% of all rape accusations are false, too.</quote> Good. But the one that says 95% are true is legit. I don't think you realize how difficult it is for a woman to come forward with this shit. Not only is it personal, you get treated like a whore or a liar by people just for being a victim and everyone judges you Shit is scary. Most women don't come forward. That's why it's so common. Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> Any stuff that shouldn't be part of this.</quote> ... such as? Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> It means if you for example said you were the one who gathered the statistics from people yourself, I wouldn't trust them because you're very biased. I don't know where you got them from, but if the person gathering data isn't neutral and professional about it, the results will be wrong. .</quote> It's a meta-analysis. You get the research from all the government and police and health bodies from all the organized nations and put it together to get board data. About 90/95% of rapes are estimated as unreported. About 60/65% of non rape sexual assaults are unreported. Then (in the US) research into police investigations of rape found that only 5% are false. The response of "Well more lied they just got away with it" is baseless and circular. I feel like you're arguing for the sake of it here The point is if a woman (or a man for that matter) stands up in public and says "I was raped/sexually assaulted by X" odds are overwhelming that it's true from the outset. It's a rare thing to lie about. Noraneko_Vel posted...</cite> <quote> As for that other arguement going on in this topic...if there's consent (regardless of whether it happens before, after or silently), it's not sexual assault.</quote> Yes it is You can't run up to someone, grope them, kiss them and then go it's not sexual assault because you found out after the fact that they were okay with it. You didn't have consent when you did it. You have no idea if they were okay with it and did it anyway. It's grotesque that you're defending that. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but I'm not doing that anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/07/20 7:17:06 AM #82:	Not if you just walk up to them and grope or kiss them. If they explicitly show that they like and approve of it, it's not assault. You just said he bragged about doing it without approval. No, he mentioned nothing about their approval in his statement, but that doesn't mean they didn't approve. --- Putting out doesn't solve problems. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:938752265] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote><quote>Not if you just walk up to them and grope or kiss them.</quote> If they explicitly show that they like and approve of it, it's not assault. <quote>You just said he bragged about doing it without approval.</quote> No, he mentioned nothing about their approval in his statement, but that doesn't mean they didn't approve. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noraneko_Vel 05/07/20 7:40:32 AM #83:	UnfairRepresent posted... Please tell me we're on different wavelengths here and you didn't just say it's not rape if a married man rapes their wife? It becomes a more difficult topic at that point, because sex between couples is normal and constantly asking if it's okay to have sex is obnoxious. If the man just violently pushes her down against her will and screaming, yeah, that's absolutely bad. If he does stuff to her without consent at all, that's normal and not rape as long as she doesn't resist it. So for example if the husband unexpectedly sticks his fingers into her, it may get mentioned by the "victim" for the statistic, but it shouldn't count. UnfairRepresent posted... But the one that says 95% are true is legit. I don't know about that. UnfairRepresent posted... You get the research from all the government and police and health bodies from all the organized nations and put it together to get board data. Eh, that's very questionable. UnfairRepresent posted... Then (in the US) research into police investigations of rape found that only 5% are false. and how do you confirm that they were false? UnfairRepresent posted... The point is if a woman (or a man for that matter) stands up in public and says "I was raped/sexually assaulted by X" odds are overwhelming that it's true from the outset. But going by what you said (that it's hard for a woman to confess rape), odds become much higher that it's not true, because scam artists and greedy/vengeful assholes would be very willing to do it. And this whole "if a woman confesses, it's truth" mindset is extremely dangerous, it paints men as criminals from the beginning, You keep saying it's hard for women to confess, but what about men? If a man gets raped and confesses, he'll get treated as a loser and rapist regardless of the outcome. --- Currently playing: Phoenix Wright Spirit of Justice <cite>Noraneko_Vel posted [p:938752768] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Please tell me we're on different wavelengths here and you didn't just say it's not rape if a married man rapes their wife?</quote> It becomes a more difficult topic at that point, because sex between couples is normal and constantly asking if it's okay to have sex is obnoxious. If the man just violently pushes her down against her will and screaming, yeah, that's absolutely bad. If he does stuff to her without consent at all, that's normal and not rape as long as she doesn't resist it. So for example if the husband unexpectedly sticks his fingers into her, it may get mentioned by the "victim" for the statistic, but it shouldn't count. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>But the one that says 95% are true is legit.</quote> I don't know about that. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You get the research from all the government and police and health bodies from all the organized nations and put it together to get board data.</quote> Eh, that's very questionable. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Then (in the US) research into police investigations of rape found that only 5% are false.</quote> and how do you confirm that they were false? UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The point is if a woman (or a man for that matter) stands up in public and says "I was raped/sexually assaulted by X" odds are overwhelming that it's true from the outset.</quote> But going by what you said (that it's hard for a woman to confess rape), odds become much higher that it's not true, because scam artists and greedy/vengeful assholes would be very willing to do it. And this whole "if a woman confesses, it's truth" mindset is extremely dangerous, it paints men as criminals from the beginning, You keep saying it's hard for women to confess, but what about men? If a man gets raped and confesses, he'll get treated as a loser and rapist regardless of the outcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/07/20 7:59:18 AM #84:	Scotty_Rogers posted... If they explicitly show that they like and approve of it, it's not assault. No, he mentioned nothing about their approval in his statement, but that doesn't mean they didn't approve. how can they show approval for something to you if you do it before they can react. also, you actually believe that donald trump goes around groping women and they all approve of it? really? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:938753153] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted... </cite> <quote>If they explicitly show that they like and approve of it, it's not assault. No, he mentioned nothing about their approval in his statement, but that doesn't mean they didn't approve.</quote> how can they show approval for something to you if you do it before they can react. also, you actually believe that donald trump goes around groping women and they all approve of it? really? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/07/20 8:01:36 AM #85:	Noraneko_Vel posted... It becomes a more difficult topic at that point, because sex between couples is normal and constantly asking if it's okay to have sex is obnoxious. If the man just violently pushes her down against her will and screaming, yeah, that's absolutely bad. If he does stuff to her without consent at all, that's normal and not rape as long as she doesn't resist it. So for example if the husband unexpectedly sticks his fingers into her, it may get mentioned by the "victim" for the statistic, but it shouldn't count. I don't know about that. Eh, that's very questionable. and how do you confirm that they were false? But going by what you said (that it's hard for a woman to confess rape), odds become much higher that it's not true, because scam artists and greedy/vengeful assholes would be very willing to do it. And this whole "if a woman confesses, it's truth" mindset is extremely dangerous, it paints men as criminals from the beginning, You keep saying it's hard for women to confess, but what about men? If a man gets raped and confesses, he'll get treated as a loser and rapist regardless of the outcome. he said nothing about "men" being the culprits, or what happens when they come forward with their own allegations. you are making up shit no one said/talked about (and then making up hypothetical reactions to situations that no one is talking about) to make your argument. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:938753202] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Noraneko_Vel posted... </cite> <quote>It becomes a more difficult topic at that point, because sex between couples is normal and constantly asking if it's okay to have sex is obnoxious. If the man just violently pushes her down against her will and screaming, yeah, that's absolutely bad. If he does stuff to her without consent at all, that's normal and not rape as long as she doesn't resist it. So for example if the husband unexpectedly sticks his fingers into her, it may get mentioned by the "victim" for the statistic, but it shouldn't count. I don't know about that. Eh, that's very questionable. and how do you confirm that they were false? But going by what you said (that it's hard for a woman to confess rape), odds become much higher that it's not true, because scam artists and greedy/vengeful assholes would be very willing to do it. And this whole "if a woman confesses, it's truth" mindset is extremely dangerous, it paints men as criminals from the beginning, You keep saying it's hard for women to confess, but what about men? If a man gets raped and confesses, he'll get treated as a loser and rapist regardless of the outcome.</quote> he said nothing about "men" being the culprits, or what happens when they come forward with their own allegations. you are making up shit no one said/talked about (and then making up hypothetical reactions to situations that no one is talking about) to make your argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orlando_Jordan 05/07/20 12:48:38 PM #86:	Trump was trying to sound like a confident, desirable alpha male. That's all. If Trump tried to kiss a woman and she didn't want it, she would move away. --- "Then after 2 hours of listening to me talk about watches I reward them with sub par sex"-No_U_L7 <cite>Orlando_Jordan posted [p:938765801] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Trump was trying to sound like a confident, desirable alpha male. That's all. If Trump tried to kiss a woman and she didn't want it, she would move away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pus_N_Pecans 05/07/20 12:53:38 PM #87:	Yeah. That guy is already openly creepy around women/girls; theres little doubt hes even worse about it in his private life. Its certainly plausible even if it werent true. --- My arts- https://www.deviantart.com/bleakcreep <cite>Pus_N_Pecans posted [p:938766090] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. That guy is already openly creepy around women/girls; theres little doubt hes even worse about it in his private life. Its certainly plausible even if it werent true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 05/07/20 5:46:20 PM #88:	seems this is all about biden being a candidate i read she asked him to step down in an interview --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:938783000] in Do you bel... [t:78664260]...</cite> <quote>seems this is all about biden being a candidate i read she asked him to step down in an interview </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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